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Wirlankarra yanama
Join Date: May 2006
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Not good news:
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/busine...-1226872201114 I was talking to a BP engineering consultant only last week and he thought the refinery was "safe". In his opinion " over the past few years the unions has pulled their heads in" but "the CO2 Tax was definately hurting". |
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If it ain't broke........
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/busine...-1226872334552
Funny, No mention of the CO2 Tax hurting. Plenty of other reasons thou............
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so many issues, so let's start at the top where mismanagement continues in this country.
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If you guys had your own refinery why is fuel so expensive in QLD then?
All these late sipping people in white collar roles say we don't need a manufacturing industry in Australia because its too expensive, and they're trying to use the same justification for the oil refineries. Maybe so. The problem comes if there is a war in South East Asia, which doesn't have to be between Australia and another nation, it could be between Asia which cuts off the supply lines to Australia, then we'll be wishing we had our own refinery. Imagine if Thailand went to war with another nation, or some civil uprising happens and they decide they cannot send any fuel or have to repurpose their manufacturing facilities for something else. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 03-04-2014 at 10:27 AM. |
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Join Date: Aug 2013
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Just as a point of interest, a university lecturer stated this morning that we now have 4 refineries left out of 8. Supposedly the other 4 are soon to be gone as well.
We also are the only country to leave storage to private enterprise with the end result we are now the only country to have less than 90 days fuel supply in the event of a major mishap somewhere. While I'm personally dead against big government, maybe secure fuel supply is a no go area for the corporations. |
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Big Damo (post #4) is 100% spot on. Fuel is the lifeblood that makes this country go around. Know a bloke there who'll lose a job, with young family etc. Tough times ahead.
Australia's biggest threat to national security is our own ignorance and not understanding the basic concept that the rest of the world doesn't actually care about Australia. Currently it seems most are content to see the destruction of the framework built over many generations that helped keep us self sufficient. Surely the acts of Russia/Putin of late should wake people up to the fact that nothing has really changed in the modern world. Wars can break out at any time for any reason, and Australia is NOT going to be immune to the effects of it all. |
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Remember what they taught you in history class about World War I being "The war to end all wars!"?
How many wars have there been since then? Everyone is pretending to play nicely in the sandpit that is Asia today, tomorrow is a different story. |
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Additionally , if the government did play a roll, then they would seek to recoup the same costs, and simply add more tax to petrol. |
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If it ain't broke........
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Business closing down everywhere, but the labour market is starting to pick up so we are told. Not sure where it is picking up..........
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If we can stop live cattle export at the drop of a hat then why can't they do the same to us if they want to? I like to be self reliant and not rely on supposed good will.
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Surprising since Bulwer Id refines Sour Crude that other plants won't touch, the Metox units were working well
producing high octane after Alky plant closed due to upgraded safety risk assessment with Hydroflouric Acid. To say that engineering and contractors were devastated would be an understatement. |
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If it was up to me, Govco should simply acquire the soon to be ex-BP refinery at zero dollars (BP did say they were closing it so presumable in their eyes it isn't worth anything), and then have Australian military trained run it. Bingo we have a strategic national security asset and under our control. |
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Dont confuse refining capacity to storage capacity, which costs money and will add to the cost of fuel.
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Damn, their diamond mines must only have 10^18 billion tonnes of rock left.
Times must be tough when you're in one of the most lucrative industries in the world and moan about financial hardship. How is this system expected to work/survive when all the money required to keep it stimulated is being sequestered by billion dollar companies? It's very survival depends on people spending money for gods sake. 85 people richer than half the world. That's a scary fact, you think they can/do spent all that money? They're the problem.
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