2022 Ranger and Everest ideas from CarExpert

[DFB FGXR6]

With the Ford Powerstroke V6 now being dropped from the F150, the only vehicle in the Ford world fitted with that engine, are we wrongly assuming the Ranger would use the Powerstroke? It's not really Fords style these days to produce an engine for one product line. Think about how many Ford models are fitted with a 2.0 or 2.3 Ecoboost.

Remember VW are twinning the Ranger with the Amorok. And VW make 3.0 V6 diesels for a variety of VW and Audi products. Perhaps this will be the VW contribution to the marriage? If so, this would give Ford access to a variety of power levels.

With no other brands looking likely to launch new utes in the near future, Ford have a chance to make a real impact with the new Ranger. They could potentially beat Toyota to market with a Hybrid power-train and make a big statement. I just hope Ford don't hold anything back with the new Ranger, as I said, they have the chance to really lift the segment beyond what is already offered.


This is the power-train lineup I would like to see -

- A low power, 125 kW 2.0 diesel to replace the old 2.2. This would be standard in XL and XLS.

- A higher power, 160 kW 2.0 diesel to replace the old 3.2. This would be standard in XLT, optional in XLS.

- A 3.0 V6 diesel. This would be standard in Wildtrack and Raptor, optional in the XLT.

- A Hybrid of some form, 2.3 petrol perhaps. Optional on all dual cabs, bar Raptor.

A 2.7 Ecoboost V6 I guess would be nice on the Raptor, although I tend to doubt it's popularity beyond the world of internet forums.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

With the Ford Powerstroke V6 now being dropped from the F150, the only vehicle in the Ford world fitted with that engine, are we wrongly assuming the Ranger would use the Powerstroke? It's not really Fords style these days to produce an engine for one product line. Think about how many Ford models are fitted with a 2.0 or 2.3 Ecoboost.

Remember VW are twinning the Ranger with the Amorok. And VW make 3.0 V6 diesels for a variety of VW and Audi products. Perhaps this will be the VW contribution to the marriage? If so, this would give Ford access to a variety of power levels.

Great point!

Though VW have been pulling their investment in Diesels after the fallout of dieselgate. Their Diesel platforms, whilst more potent than Powerstroke, are aging platforms as well.

The 4.0 V8 from the Touareg would be nice in a Raptor! 900 Nm and 310kw!

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by kypez

Great point!

Though VW have been pulling their investment in Diesels after the fallout of dieselgate. Their Diesel platforms, whilst more potent than Powerstroke, are aging platforms as well.

The 4.0 V8 from the Touareg would be nice in a Raptor! 900 Nm and 310kw!

True, but along with Ranger, Everest and Amarok, having a few key Audi and VW products with that engine would make the volumes add up better. There will still be demand for diesel in products like the Audi Q7 and VW Touareg.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

With the Ford Powerstroke V6 now being dropped from the F150, the only vehicle in the Ford world fitted with that engine, are we wrongly assuming the Ranger would use the Powerstroke? It's not really Fords style these days to produce an engine for one product line. Think about how many Ford models are fitted with a 2.0 or 2.3 Ecoboost.

Remember VW are twinning the Ranger with the Amorok. And VW make 3.0 V6 diesels for a variety of VW and Audi products. Perhaps this will be the VW contribution to the marriage? If so, this would give Ford access to a variety of power levels.

With no other brands looking likely to launch new utes in the near future, Ford have a chance to make a real impact with the new Ranger. They could potentially beat Toyota to market with a Hybrid power-train and make a big statement. I just hope Ford don't hold anything back with the new Ranger, as I said, they have the chance to really lift the segment beyond what is already offered.


This is the power-train lineup I would like to see -

- A low power, 125 kW 2.0 diesel to replace the old 2.2. This would be standard in XL and XLS.

- A higher power, 160 kW 2.0 diesel to replace the old 3.2. This would be standard in XLT, optional in XLS.

- A 3.0 V6 diesel. This would be standard in Wildtrack and Raptor, optional in the XLT.

- A Hybrid of some form, 2.3 petrol perhaps. Optional on all dual cabs, bar Raptor.

A 2.7 Ecoboost V6 I guess would be nice on the Raptor, although I tend to doubt it's popularity beyond the world of internet forums.

Ford would rather run no engine, than stick a vw one under the hood.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

With the Ford Powerstroke V6 now being dropped from the F150, the only vehicle in the Ford world fitted with that engine, are we wrongly assuming the Ranger would use the Powerstroke? It's not really Fords style these days to produce an engine for one product line. Think about how many Ford models are fitted with a 2.0 or 2.3 Ecoboost.

Remember VW are twinning the Ranger with the Amorok. And VW make 3.0 V6 diesels for a variety of VW and Audi products. Perhaps this will be the VW contribution to the marriage? If so, this would give Ford access to a variety of power levels.

With no other brands looking likely to launch new utes in the near future, Ford have a chance to make a real impact with the new Ranger. They could potentially beat Toyota to market with a Hybrid power-train and make a big statement. I just hope Ford don't hold anything back with the new Ranger, as I said, they have the chance to really lift the segment beyond what is already offered.


This is the power-train lineup I would like to see -

- A low power, 125 kW 2.0 diesel to replace the old 2.2. This would be standard in XL and XLS.

- A higher power, 160 kW 2.0 diesel to replace the old 3.2. This would be standard in XLT, optional in XLS.

- A 3.0 V6 diesel. This would be standard in Wildtrack and Raptor, optional in the XLT.

- A Hybrid of some form, 2.3 petrol perhaps. Optional on all dual cabs, bar Raptor.

A 2.7 Ecoboost V6 I guess would be nice on the Raptor, although I tend to doubt it's popularity beyond the world of internet forums.

VW is outsourcing next Amarok from Ford, they are not contributing anything beyond body style.

Also thought that single turbo 135 kw 2.0 TD had already repplaced 2.2 Puma as base engine
but it looks like price list for 2021 still says 2.2 diesel as base.

Ford will need a non-diesel Ranger strategy for Europe as legislation is moving fast
to make diesel anti-social….surely, there’s gotta be a hybrid in planning….

[DFB FGXR6]

Does anyone know where the Powerstroke V6 is made.

I guess Ford are expecting there to be significant volume with this engine across Ranger/Everest for them to continue making it despite loosing volume via F-150.

And Ford, if you are reading, please please please make the Powerstroke available in a single cab chassis, would love to update my PX II with this spec. Getting pretty tired of the gutless 2.2.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

With the Ford Powerstroke V6 now being dropped from the F150, the only vehicle in the Ford world fitted with that engine, are we wrongly assuming the Ranger would use the Powerstroke? It's not really Fords style these days to produce an engine for one product line. Think about how many Ford models are fitted with a 2.0 or 2.3 Ecoboost.

Remember VW are twinning the Ranger with the Amorok. And VW make 3.0 V6 diesels for a variety of VW and Audi products. Perhaps this will be the VW contribution to the marriage? If so, this would give Ford access to a variety of power levels.

With no other brands looking likely to launch new utes in the near future, Ford have a chance to make a real impact with the new Ranger. They could potentially beat Toyota to market with a Hybrid power-train and make a big statement. I just hope Ford don't hold anything back with the new Ranger, as I said, they have the chance to really lift the segment beyond what is already offered.


This is the power-train lineup I would like to see -

- A low power, 125 kW 2.0 diesel to replace the old 2.2. This would be standard in XL and XLS.

- A higher power, 160 kW 2.0 diesel to replace the old 3.2. This would be standard in XLT, optional in XLS.

- A 3.0 V6 diesel. This would be standard in Wildtrack and Raptor, optional in the XLT.

- A Hybrid of some form, 2.3 petrol perhaps. Optional on all dual cabs, bar Raptor.

A 2.7 Ecoboost V6 I guess would be nice on the Raptor, although I tend to doubt it's popularity beyond the world of internet forums.

I would have thought the 2.0 would be be the base engine for XL and XLS. Then the 3.0 for XLT and above. Plus a hybrid.

Then wishful thinking would be an Ecoboost for Raptor as an option above the Powerstroke.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Does anyone know where the Powerstroke V6 is made.

I guess Ford are expecting there to be significant volume with this engine across Ranger/Everest for them to continue making it despite loosing volume via F-150.

I answered this about 5 posts ago. Pretty sure its made in the bridgend plant in the uk.

And i reckon they would have sold bugger all in the f series. Would have been a pretty rare engine option.

[Franco Cozzo]

Americans hate diesel engines so no surprise there that the light duty models like RAM/Silverado 1500 and F150 sell bugger all diesels in comparison to their unleaded equivalents.

I don't think the Silverado 1500 even has a diesel option.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I answered this about 5 posts ago. Pretty sure its made in the bridgend plant in the uk.

And i reckon they would have sold bugger all in the f series. Would have been a pretty rare engine option.

Ah, right you are, sorry I missed that post.


On a general note, how good is it that Ford is listening to customers who have requested a larger engine. A smooth V6 will transform the Ranger and Everest, especially the Everest as a touring vehicle and perhaps win customers from the 4 cylinder only Prado.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ah, right you are, sorry I missed that post.





On a general note, how good is it that Ford is listening to customers who have requested a larger engine. A smooth V6 will transform the Ranger and Everest, especially the Everest as a touring vehicle and perhaps win customers from the 4 cylinder only Prado.

Is it confined? Thought this was all speculation.

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[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I answered this about 5 posts ago. Pretty sure its made in the bridgend plant in the uk.

And i reckon they would have sold bugger all in the f series. Would have been a pretty rare engine option.

For some background, in the US this last week petrol has averaged 83c/L and diesel 86c/L and while large V8's and turbo 6's rule their ute/truck market any benefit of improved economy from a diesel is not such a big deal when fuel costs are so much lower than here.
And on some F-150 models the V8 is a $800 option while the
V6 3.5L Ecoboost is a $1400 option, and the
V6 3.0L V6 diesel Power stroke is a $3800 option and the
Hybrid Power boost is $3300 extra.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

For some background, in the US this last week petrol has averaged 83c/L and diesel 86c/L and while large V8's and turbo 6's rule their ute/truck market any benefit of improved economy from a diesel is not such a big deal when fuel costs are so much lower than here.
And on some F-150 models the V8 is a $800 option while the
V6 3.5L Ecoboost is a $1400 option, and the
V6 3.0L V6 diesel Power stroke is a $3800 option and the
Hybrid Power boost is $3300 extra.

lets see what price tag Ford Australia give the Power stroke Ranger

[Burnout]

Once EV road tax hits the market & the costs of a re-charge, we'll see the honesty of the ev-V-ice market then.
At the moment in this country Coal fired power and ice transport is propping up ev & renewable power by a huge margin.
Then, wait another 20yrs and add the replacement cost of renewable infrastructure to the costs, not least of which the cost of disposal of billions of tons of degraded ev junk almost none of which has been discussed in any meaningful way.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Burnout

Once EV road tax hits the market & the costs of a re-charge, we'll see the honesty of the ev-V-ice market then.
At the moment in this country Coal fired power and ice transport is propping up ev & renewable power by a huge margin.
Then, wait another 20yrs and add the replacement cost of renewable infrastructure to the costs, not least of which the cost of disposal of billions of tons of degraded ev junk almost none of which has been discussed in any meaningful way.

Literally everything you have just said has been discussed and disproven on numerous threads in this forum. Such a poorly researched comment.

But this has nothing to do with the Ranger/Everest Ideas and I don't want a holiday for not staying on topic.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I answered this about 5 posts ago. Pretty sure its made in the bridgend plant in the uk.

And i reckon they would have sold bugger all in the f series. Would have been a pretty rare engine option.

Dagenham, UK.
Currently, have 3,000 unsold at dealerships in the US, there’s like 20,000 EB V6 and V8s.
Ford made the things but then made damn sure buyers never heard about them.
Americans are addicted to horsepower, the 3.0 diesel made no sense in US market.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Americans hate diesel engines so no surprise there that the light duty models like RAM/Silverado 1500 and F150 sell bugger all diesels in comparison to their unleaded equivalents.

I don't think the Silverado 1500 even has a diesel option.

Yes it does, GM built a brand new alloy block 3.0 I-6, press raved over it 31 mpg highway
but you guessed it, SFA buy it…..

Internet pressed Ford and GM Ford diesels in F150 and Silverado 1500, had to be a winner…..
Unfortunately, the real world of vehicle sales is a very different place, buyers like gasoline engines.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Does the Ranger also go through the same durability tests that an F150 goes through?

yes. there is only one light truck durability test in Ford and Ranger goes through the exact same test that all F-trucks do. In fact we spent a huge amount of money replicating one of the events from MPG at YYPG

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by kypez

I wouldn't go that far. The F series has some awesome tech on their cars. Heated and Cooled seats, massage options, usable second row if you're over 6 feet tall (183cms in new money), memory seats, blind spot indicators, air suspension (some models), the list goes on. The engine is only a small part of the equation.

Like I said. PX4 is going to be a significant jump in tech. without the crappy US build quality

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Why do 95% of the work then drop the ball on the last part of it (engine)?
.

because 95% of the purchasers don't give a **** and the existing powertrains are perfectly fine for them.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by kypez

This is true. Its annoying that they don't seem to develop engines along with a new platform. The platform is made to work with an engine.

I don't know how other OEMs work but generally Ford develop engines and platforms in parallel, with the engine timing only slightly ahead of the platform timing. So the spec of the new engine is known by the time the platfom geometry starts to get locked iiin

It's also worth noting that the 3.2 in the outgoing model is not the same as the one it launched with in PX1. To my knowledge there have been at least three updates to that engine during the life of T6

[kypez]

Originally Posted by simon varley

I don't know how other OEMs work but generally Ford develop engines and platforms in parallel, with the engine timing only slightly ahead of the platform timing. So the spec of the new engine is known by the time the platfom geometry starts to get locked iiin



It's also worth noting that the 3.2 in the outgoing model is not the same as the one it launched with in PX1. To my knowledge there have been at least three updates to that engine during the life of T6

If there were updates, they were maybe emissions related as power stayed a constant 147kw (143 Everest) and 470Nm for the 3.2 since PX1.

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[naddis01]

The turbos are different between PX and PXII.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by naddis01

The turbos are different between PX and PXII.

And then, the Americanised version of 3.2 in their Transit, had much better NOX
with little or no loss of power and torque (US Transit power figures rated like Super Duty).

V6 Powerstroke having no other applications only exists because of Ranger and Everest.
Does that give the T6 team freedom to request single and twin turbo versions?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by simon varley

because 95% of the purchasers don't give a **** and the existing powertrains are perfectly fine for them.

Yep as I said earlier, no initiative, no drive for improvement.

If it wasn't for car manufacturers hands being forced into improvements, we'd still be driving cars with carbs and 3 speed autos.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yep as I said earlier, no initiative, no drive for improvement.

If it wasn't for car manufacturers hands being forced into improvements, we'd still be driving cars with carbs and 3 speed autos.

I think that’s a little unfair, the 2.0 diesel has proven to be a good replacement for the 3.2 diesel but………
While they’ve done an excellent job of delivering a super efficient engine the missing part of the puzzle
has always been that excess of power and torque that a good percentage of those +$60k Ute buyers crave.
If Ford wants to make even more money, those hp V engines are the key.

[CyberWasp]

Seeing they are sharing the platform with VW could they have used their Diesel from the Amarok?
Isn't it a de-tuned version from the higher end cars in their companies fleet?
Way more potential for 'Raptor' like performance.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Seeing they are sharing the platform with VW could they have used their Diesel from the Amarok?

Using a VW diesel after dieselgate is like putting a giant s**t stain on your product…..
$30 billion loss over dieselgate is the reason why Ford is making Transits and Rangers for VW….

[FlipXW]

Those VAG 3.0 V6 diesels are a neat bit of kit though. A mate has an Audi SQ5 and seat of pants feels as quick as a stock fg turbo. Doesn’t sound or feel like a diesel either thats for sure. Hopefully the powerstroke can offer something similar. Very keen on a new Everest but will all depend on what’s offered under the hood. After years and years of ownership I’m tired of slow diesel 4x4’s.
I still want another 4x4 in either a dual cab or a wagon but this time Im hanging out for something that performs much better than the norm.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Seeing they are sharing the platform with VW could they have used their Diesel from the Amarok?
Isn't it a de-tuned version from the higher end cars in their companies fleet?
Way more potential for 'Raptor' like performance.

Not really sharing the platform. Ford are doing just about the whole program, and even building them alongside ranger. The vw will just be mildly different to look at.

VW are getting out of ICE rather quickly. That v6 will be gone soon enough. Not viable to use it going forward.