2022 Ranger and Everest ideas from CarExpert - Page 5

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

apart from the fact that the F-truck has a bigger engine, Ranger is better in every single way - build quality, tech features, driving, gear shifts.

remember how much better PX1 was than Courier? PX4 should be another jump.

I wouldn't go that far. The F series has some awesome tech on their cars. Heated and Cooled seats, massage options, usable second row if you're over 6 feet tall (183cms in new money), memory seats, blind spot indicators, air suspension (some models), the list goes on. The engine is only a small part of the equation.

XR Martin · 20-07-2021, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

apart from the fact that the F-truck has a bigger engine, Ranger is better in every single way - build quality, tech features, driving, gear shifts.

remember how much better PX1 was than Courier? PX4 should be another jump.

Don't mind that an F150 is no heavier than an equivalent Ranger...
Does the Ranger also go through the same durability tests that an F150 goes through?
The Ranger's I've been around don't seem fair all that well to abuse...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sDIM83jTuwk

Adamz Ghia · 20-07-2021, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Given the prices that Toyota is charging for high series Hilux these days,
it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see Ford set its prices even higher
and then to see buyers paying it because it’s what they want.

Why would Ford import a $90k F Truck if it can convince buyers to pay that for a Ranger…

Logically they’d be able to convince them to pay another 5 figures to get into an F Series?

Dr Smith · 21-07-2021, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Don't mind that an F150 is no heavier than an equivalent Ranger...
Does the Ranger also go through the same durability tests that an F150 goes through?
The Ranger's I've been around don't seem fair all that well to abuse...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sDIM83jTuwk

Part of these videos was to convince buyers an aluminium tray bed was strong enough when Ford switched from steel.
I'm certain Ford Australia durability testing is the match of anything in the world, especially when they are given a global budget to develop a vehicle which has to sell in 180 countries including 3rd world nations including Australian B/C roads

. Something the F-150 doesn't actually have to consider to be frank. And the next Ranger has had to consider the American market from day-one as well.

Franco Cozzo · 21-07-2021, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

apart from the fact that the F-truck has a bigger engine, Ranger is better in every single way - build quality, tech features, driving, gear shifts.

remember how much better PX1 was than Courier? PX4 should be another jump.

Why do 95% of the work then drop the ball on the last part of it (engine)?

Given that the new Ranger is designed with Americans in mind for this iteration it's going to have more balls under the hood, but I doubt we'll see it in our market, ala current USDM Ranger.

Dr Smith · 21-07-2021, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Why do 95% of the work then drop the ball on the last part of it (engine)?

Given that the new Ranger is designed with Americans in mind for this iteration it's going to have more balls under the hood, but I doubt we'll see it in our market, ala current USDM Ranger.

It would be great if Ford decide to go for the jugular and do offer hi-po versions in diesel and petrol and also hybrid/pure EV....it would take a long time for the opposition to catch up and they would be high profit sales which could make the ROI work.

**Polyal** · 21-07-2021, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

It would be great if Ford decide to go for the jugular and do offer hi-po versions in diesel and petrol and also hybrid/pure EV....it would take a long time for the opposition to catch up and they would be high profit sales which could make the ROI work.

Considering the next few model cycles are signaling the end of ICE it would be nice if OEM's go out with a decent bang.

Irony will be they will sell well.

jpd80 · 21-07-2021, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Considering the next few model cycles are signaling the end of ICE it would be nice if OEM's go out with a decent bang.

Irony will be they will sell well.

Without kicking off a war here,
The money on diesels has already been spent and they’re coming anyway,
strong sales last month at the end of its product cycle, that can only spell
good news for Ranger with a fresh six cylinder diesel in the next model.

Who knows, higher ongoing sales could give Ford more justification to add
more options like a good Ecoboost engine in single and crew cabs.

Anything like a V8 is going to be a special project, maybe a Harrop 7.3 V8.
It needs to be a holy crap engine that just goes smack at the full sized pickups.

**kypez** · 22-07-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Anything like a V8 is going to be a special project, maybe a Harrop 7.3 V8.
It needs to be a holy crap engine that just goes smack at the full sized pickups.

Any F150 run the 7.3? Thought its just Super Duty. I don't think we'll see that in a Ranger... Ever. Even as a special. More likely to see a Coyote.

jpd80 · 22-07-2021, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Any F150 run the 7.3? Thought its just Super Duty. I don't think we'll see that in a Ranger... Ever. Even as a special. More likely to see a Coyote.

The 7.3 is actually a better fit in that sort of engine bay being roughly 4” narrower than a Coyote.
The power they (Harrop) are getting out of an unopened engine is impressive, ~550 hp @ 5,500.

**kypez** · 22-07-2021, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

The 7.3 is actually a better fit in that sort of engine bay being roughly 4” narrower than a Coyote.

The power they (Harrop) are getting out of an unopened engine is impressive, ~550 hp @ 5,500.

True, the push rod engine has its packaging benefits. Isn't there supposed to be a 6.8 version? At almost $2 a litre at times for premium, whilst I'd like the idea of that engine, I don't think the bank balance will support it!

The harrop one is closer to 800 hp I thought? That's the Supercharged one. Or you talking about the early development 550 NA?

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Vesper Martini · 22-07-2021, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Considering the next few model cycles are signaling the end of ICE it would be nice if OEM's go out with a decent bang.

Irony will be they will sell well.

I'm predicting the V6 diesel Rangers will blitz the rest.
in the same fashion the last of the v8 200 series.

the only thing that could be a negative factor is price

naddis01 · 22-07-2021, 11:10 AM

The Powerstroke won't look as impressive if Toyota stick their new 3.3 diesel in the Hilux. Unless the Powerstroke gets massaged a bit for the Ranger.

jpd80 · 22-07-2021, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

True, the push rod engine has its packaging benefits. Isn't there supposed to be a 6.8 version? At almost $2 a litre at times for premium, whilst I'd like the idea of that engine, I don't think the bank balance will support it!

The harrop one is closer to 800 hp I thought? That's the Supercharged one. Or you talking about the early development 550 NA?

That was early development atmo engine with truck cam and just GT350 intake.

The 800 hp blown version is still basic truck engine with blower and E85 tune,
massive potential in that thing…..

The 6.8 will be a hipo US engine with commensurate high price.

Yes, fuel price is an issue with anything ICE that makes big torque and hp
but that would be less important to those that can afford three or four mega toys…..

Vesper Martini · 22-07-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

The Powerstroke won't look as impressive if Toyota stick their new 3.3 diesel in the Hilux. Unless the Powerstroke gets massaged a bit for the Ranger.

Oh... didn't know about that.

well that just screams all to late again from Ford.
unlikely the Powerstroke gets a massage its already an old engine.

a Hilux with 230kW of power and 690Nm I suspect they may downscale it. I guess Ford have until 2024 to get some sales in before it arrives
https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...sel-v6-129407/

XR Martin · 22-07-2021, 11:56 AM

Can see Toyota putting a Landcruiser engine in a Hilux.
They've never done that and I can't see them diluting the brand like that.

Vesper Martini · 22-07-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Can see Toyota putting a Landcruiser engine in a Hilux.
They've never done that and I can't see them diluting the brand like that.

assume you meant can't.

and agree they have never done that before, and it actually looks like too much power for a Hilux.

lets see..

jpd80 · 22-07-2021, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

assume you meant can't.

and agree they have never done that before, and it actually looks like too much power for a Hilux.

lets see..

I wonder when Ford pokes the bear…

Vesper Martini,
There was a twin turbo version of the Ford 3.0 Powerstroke back when JLR was using it,
225 Kw/700 nm, that was years before the new Toyota TD V6……
Although that is not on the radar for Ranger/Everest, it would make a good Raptor version….

naddis01 · 22-07-2021, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Can see Toyota putting a Landcruiser engine in a Hilux.
They've never done that and I can't see them diluting the brand like that.

Just because they haven't done it before, doesn't mean they won't. There is room there to detune it for the Hilux and still be in front of the Ford or at least match it.

That is assuming Ford doesn't have something up its sleeve for the Powerstroke. They don't have to worry about stepping on the F150's toes now that it is being dropped from the line-up.

Bossxr8 · 22-07-2021, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

The Powerstroke won't look as impressive if Toyota stick their new 3.3 diesel in the Hilux. Unless the Powerstroke gets massaged a bit for the Ranger.

With the next hilux not due till 2025 there is plenty of time to adjust. But by then the probable hybrid version will be better on fuel, and likely make more power and torque anyway. So it’s really not a concern.

It will be interesting to see what engine they would pair the hybrid up with. Probably a 2.3 ecoboost to suit the us market? With the much improved fuel economy and power making it better suited as a diesel substitute?

**kypez** · 22-07-2021, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Oh... didn't know about that.

well that just screams all to late again from Ford.
unlikely the Powerstroke gets a massage its already an old engine.

a Hilux with 230kW of power and 690Nm I suspect they may downscale it. I guess Ford have until 2024 to get some sales in before it arrives
https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...sel-v6-129407/

Same thing they did with the Terri all those years ago. Always late to the party it would seem. Shame.

There is a lot of merit running the Hilux and Toyota with the same engines just different tunes. Less development costs and component sharing. It would be a good idea for them to do.

Don't know why the Aus developed products seems to have hand me down engines rather than the latest and greatest.

**kypez** · 22-07-2021, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

With the next hilux not due till 2025 there is plenty of time to adjust. But by then the probable hybrid version will be better on fuel, and likely make more power and torque anyway. So it’s really not a concern.

It will be interesting to see what engine they would pair the hybrid up with. Probably a 2.3 ecoboost to suit the us market? With the much improved fuel economy and power making it better suited as a diesel substitute?

I think too many people in Australia won't accept anything but a diesel for their utes. A hybrid with a 2.3 ecoboost would have enough and more torque without the fuel bill but people are not quick to change. And Ford would be crazy to drop the diesel and risk it just yet. If they made them a NCO and see how many pick the diesel over the Petrol Hybrid, that would make things interesting and a good market study.

Bossxr8 · 22-07-2021, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Same thing they did with the Terri all those years ago. Always late to the party it would seem. Shame.

There is a lot of merit running the Hilux and Toyota with the same engines just different tunes. Less development costs and component sharing. It would be a good idea for them to do.

Don't know why the Aus developed products seems to have hand me down engines rather than the latest and greatest.

What is the latest and greatest diesel v6 in the ford world? There is no alternative.

Bossxr8 · 22-07-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

I think too many people in Australia won't accept anything but a diesel for their utes. A hybrid with a 2.3 ecoboost would have enough and more torque without the fuel bill but people are not quick to change. And Ford would be crazy to drop the diesel and risk it just yet. If they made them a NCO and see how many pick the diesel over the Petrol Hybrid, that would make things interesting and a good market study.

They won’t drop the diesel when hybrid becomes available. That would be silly.

And with the extra cost of building diesel engines, a petrol hybrid may very well be near parity price wise, or at least reasonably close.

**kypez** · 22-07-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

What is the latest and greatest diesel v6 in the ford world? There is no alternative.

This is true. Its annoying that they don't seem to develop engines along with a new platform. The platform is made to work with an engine. The closest we got to a new engine was the 2.0 for Raptor but that came late in the series. They knew they had to develop a 2022 Ranger/Everest a decade ago. Surely they would've looked at engine development at the same time? Maybe I'm mistaken there. Toyota seem to do that with the Landcrusier that it had a new engine and approach when the new series comes out. For Ford, the Ranger is their Flagship product at the moment and deserves the latest engines.

**kypez** · 22-07-2021, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They won’t drop the diesel when hybrid becomes available. That would be silly.

And with the extra cost of building diesel engines, a petrol hybrid may very well be near parity price wise, or at least reasonably close.

Ford do have a history of forcing peoples hand. The Everest Titanium, for example, comes only with the 2.0 (which is much better than the 3.2 from my perspective) and people didn't like that much and would no doubt have cost them some sales (though the Sport came in and bridged those losses a bit).

Vesper Martini · 22-07-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

What is the latest and greatest diesel v6 in the ford world? There is no alternative.

For Territory they went to Landover/jag they could do it again?

**kypez** · 22-07-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

For Territory they went to Landover/jag they could do it again?

But they took the engine that was EOL at JLR.

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jpd80 · 22-07-2021, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

For Territory they went to Landover/jag they could do it again?

Ford owned the IP on the Lion V6, big difference outsourcing an engine…..

Bossxr8 · 22-07-2021, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Ford do have a history of forcing peoples hand. The Everest Titanium, for example, comes only with the 2.0 (which is much better than the 3.2 from my perspective) and people didn't like that much and would no doubt have cost them some sales (though the Sport came in and bridged those losses a bit).

The take up rate on the 2.0 is high enough to not even worry about the 3.2 in Everest. The huge advance in refinement suits a flagship SUV.

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

For Territory they went to Landover/jag they could do it again?

Different scenario now. Ford owned JLR back then and had the rights to the engine. JLR is now seperate and have moved to their own engines, which are now inline 6’s i think. The lion v6 was also built by ford in the bridgend plant in the uk if i remember correctly. Still is. So it’s a complete ford engine.