2022 Ranger and Everest ideas from CarExpert

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Common for D40s to snap chassis too. Terrible front end ground clearance also.

Apparently, the timing chain will let go in some after about 130,000 km,
a former employer heard about that and sold his fleet at around 120,000 km.
The NP30 is a completely different vehicle, hard to imagine it’s from the same manufacturer….

Ford has learned a ton about the T6 over the last decade, engineering is now matured to the point
where reliability and familiarity begin to take hold in buyer’s mind, making for an easy return buyer.
Part of me would have loved to have seen an I-6 diesel off the 2.0 Panther, it’s just a dream I have…….

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

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Part of me would have loved to have seen an I-6 diesel off the 2.0 Panther, it’s just a dream I have…….

Could your dream stretch to outlining what benefits this engine would offer over the F-150's Lion based V6 Powerstroke?

[vbomber]

New video from Paul/carexpert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvv7iXrh6zE

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Could your dream stretch to outlining what benefits this engine would offer over the F-150's Lion based V6 Powerstroke?

For a start, the 3.0 has been dropped in F150, so why keep the plant?
Ford could copy JLR Ingenium and build I-6 and I-4 in the same plant.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by vbomber

New video from Paul/carexpert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvv7iXrh6zE

Hope they're right about the engines. Those 4 cover every want and need a Ranger owner could want.

The 2L fans can still have their little fuel efficient engine. Although why would you get the 2L if there's a plug in hybrid option.


I'd put a Raptor on my short list for my next car if it has either of those 6 cylinder engines.

[Franco Cozzo]

I'm calling BS on 2.7L V6 Ecoboost and 3.0L Powerstroke for Australian market.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

For a start, the 3.0 has been dropped in F150, so why keep the plant?
Ford could copy JLR Ingenium and build I-6 and I-4 in the same plant.

Could a V6 diesel in Ranger, Everest and Amarok globally be enough numbers to justify keeping it going?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Could a V6 diesel in Ranger, Everest and Amarok globally be enough numbers to justify keeping it going?

Good question, I think the turn against diesel has happened faster than Ford plans
so, which markets are actively moving against diesels now light commercials ?
Answer: Europe and China

I see it this way,
While V6 diesel may prove strong in our market, it may be an outlier globally
while something like Hybrid Ecoboost may become an option in the near future…
One thing for sure, they’ll sell a lot more V6 diesels in Ranger than they ever did in F150..
I don’t expect Ford to do an I-6 diesel off the 2.0 this late in the game, just dreaming

[CyberWasp]

If all these engine options have a limited lifespan, they should have just went with the Coyote and been done with it.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

If all these engine options have a limited lifespan, they should have just went with the Coyote and been done with it.

From your lips to God’s ears…….
Jeep does a 6.4 in the Wrangler, so why not a 7.3 in Bronco/Ranger/Everest,
give those extreme buyers something to desire….

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

From your lips to God’s ears…….
Jeep does a 6.4 in the Wrangler, so why not a 7.3 in Bronco/Ranger/Everest,
give those extreme buyers something to desire….

Could be the domain of companies like VDC/Prodrive - second stage manufacturers ala HSV.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I'm calling BS on 2.7L V6 Ecoboost and 3.0L Powerstroke for Australian market.

I’d be fairly confident in the diesel, Ford has dropped into the position the Amarok was in on launch with the “little 2L” where plenty of competitors have bigger options, the 2L is quite a good thing with the A10 but bigger displacement mentality, especially in rural areas is still a selling point.

Personally I’m really hoping for the 2.7L or even the 2.3L EB/Hybrid option for our next family hauler be that an Everest or Ranger.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I'm calling BS on 2.7L V6 Ecoboost and 3.0L Powerstroke for Australian market.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

I’d be fairly confident in the diesel, Ford has dropped into the position the Amarok was in on launch with the “little 2L” where plenty of competitors have bigger options, the 2L is quite a good thing with the A10 but bigger displacement mentality, especially in rural areas is still a selling point.

Personally I’m really hoping for the 2.7L or even the 2.3L EB/Hybrid option for our next family hauler be that an Everest or Ranger.

I'm all for faster Thailand Specials - thats my main gripe with the category as a whole, we gave up the Falcon which had a mint engine and rode nicely for slow diesel commercial vehicles.

4x2 Ranger, single cab with a tray and 2.3L Ecoboost under the bonnet I'd be in like Flynn.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I know you know something we don't

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I'm all for faster Thailand Specials - thats my main gripe with the category as a whole, we gave up the Falcon which had a mint engine and rode nicely for slow diesel commercial vehicles.

4x2 Ranger, single cab with a tray and 2.3L Ecoboost under the bonnet I'd be in like Flynn.



I know you know something we don't

Here’s the thing, 3.0 Powerstroke is cancelled in F150, it’s not in Transit,
so that only leaves Ranger and Everest otherwise Ford has to kill it.

It’s an easy sell in Ranger, adding lots of power and torque as well as that
smoothness found in the 2.7 TD Territory …..which now refines NG Everest?

The other thought I have is that Europe and Asia are turning their backs on
diesels, so something different is needed there in Ranger like hybrid EB?

I like your thought on 2WD 2.3 EB Ranger as another sales channel, it’s something different
but you know that Ford is probably not looking that direction, it’s hard man, gahhh!!

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I see it this way,
While V6 diesel may prove strong in our market, it may be an outlier globally
while something like Hybrid Ecoboost may become an option in the near future…

Look at the Amarok. The V6 destroys the I4 in sales in Australia. I wonder what it's like in the rest of the world?
Ford would be crazy not to put a 6 cylinder in the Ranger, especially the Raptor.

[kypez]

I hope they do a Everest/Ranger Lightning like the F150! I'd be all over it! Done with these boring and slow diesels.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kypez

I hope they do a Everest/Ranger Lightning like the F150! I'd be all over it! Done with these boring and slow diesels.

Basically F150 Lightning/454SS Silverado/Falcon XR8/XR6 Turbo ute.

Niche market, but it wouldn't take much to develop a Ranger equivalent but at the end of the day they are such high volume sellers in their plane jane boring slow diesel form that there's no drive for initiative in this area to capture the couple of percentage points who would go for such an offer.

The Chinese seem to love unleaded turbo engines in commercial vehicles (LDV G10 anyone lol) - might be an offering in that segment from our Chinese 'friends'.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Basically F150 Lightning/454SS Silverado/Falcon XR8/XR6 Turbo ute.

Niche market, but it wouldn't take much to develop a Ranger equivalent but at the end of the day they are such high volume sellers in their plane jane boring slow diesel form that there's no drive for initiative in this area to capture the couple of percentage points who would go for such an offer.

The Chinese seem to love unleaded turbo engines in commercial vehicles (LDV G10 anyone lol) - might be an offering in that segment from our Chinese 'friends'.

Sadly, you're right. But even the base Falcon Ute had better performance than these diesel slugs. I hate them! I tried to love my Everest but that 3.2 was just miserable.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kypez

Sadly, you're right. But even the base Falcon Ute had better performance than these diesel slugs. I hate them! I tried to love my Everest but that 3.2 was just miserable.

Same here, worked on all the Thailand Specials and have driven them as new cars when I did a lot of accessory fitment on them - not a fan how they drive, requires a lot of lock to lock with the steering setup to move around in car parks and they're just real slow, not like tiny hatchback rollerskate you can thrash everywhere on the limit type of 'fun slow' either.

I think the only stand out was the 4.0L V6 Hilux which no one bought, the 3.6L V6 Colorado wasn't too bad either but that one is going back quite a few years since its been discontinued

There's obviously a bit of demand there for something with balls though because the RAM 1500 is getting sales around the place.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by kypez

Sadly, you're right. But even the base Falcon Ute had better performance than these diesel slugs. I hate them! I tried to love my Everest but that 3.2 was just miserable.

Don't blame it on being a diesel. the Euro companies seem to be able to make a 3.0D with a lot more more power and efficiency.

at least that 3.2 sounded better than a lot of the 4pot massy Ferguson sounds other brands sell. but its performance and economy are woeful for a 3.2


If the Everest/ranger gets the 600NM V6 diesel it will be a whole different driving experience

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Don't blame it on being a diesel. the Euro companies seem to be able to make a 3.0D with a lot more more power and efficiency.

at least that 3.2 sounded better than a lot of the 4pot massy Ferguson sounds other brands sell. but its performance and economy are woeful for a 3.2


If the Everest/ranger gets the 600NM V6 diesel it will be a whole different driving experience

Because the whole segment offers lame noisy ****boxes, there's no incentive to offer something better as everyone offers wheezy diesel engines. There's no competition there, people still buy them in droves without needing that drive for initiative and improvement like other segments, that's why they still have drum brakes too.

Note that the USDM Ranger has rear discs, why could that be?

Look at diesel engines in passenger vehicles and look at the same capacities in the Thailand Specials - the Thailand Specials are junk in comparison to the diesel engines on offer in Mercedes/BMW passenger vehicle platforms.

I guess the Thailand Specials have a 10 year lifecycle too as per the norm with LCVs.

The 3.2L I5 Is as old as the hills, didn't it live in the Euro Transit before being offered in PX Ranger?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Because the whole segment offers lame noisy ****boxes, there's no incentive to offer something better as everyone offers wheezy diesel engines. There's no competition there, people still buy them in droves without needing that drive for initiative and improvement like other segments, that's why they still have drum brakes too.

Note that the USDM Ranger has rear discs, why could that be?

Look at diesel engines in passenger vehicles and look at the same capacities in the Thailand Specials - the Thailand Specials are junk in comparison to the diesel engines on offer in Mercedes/BMW passenger vehicle platforms.

I guess the Thailand Specials have a 10 year lifecycle too as per the norm with LCVs.

The 3.2L I5 Is as old as the hills, didn't it live in the Euro Transit before being offered in PX Ranger?

well hopefully the new diesel brings it up to spec. though once again we are getting it too late its been available for years in the f150 now its dropped?

anyone concerned about having such a powerful diesel, see specs and they actually offer better economy.
land rover/ Jag have one producing 700NM

[kypez]

Ford need to take a chance and do something different to the market if they want to keep ahead. Keep the diesels, they are selling. Bring something new like an EV Everest/Ranger. Given the life of these platforms, they'll make back the R&D on them! They squandered what they were doing with the Falcon those many years ago. The market is evolving. It'd be great to see them first to market here in this space.

[Polyal]

Id certainly be interested in some kind of plug in Everest/Ranger.

If you could do your daily trip on EV and then for longer hauls swap between it would be great.

Its face it, surely 60%+ of the time rangers etc are not hauling, they are cruising around.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by kypez

Ford need to take a chance and do something different to the market if they want to keep ahead. Keep the diesels, they are selling. Bring something new like an EV Everest/Ranger. Given the life of these platforms, they'll make back the R&D on them! They squandered what they were doing with the Falcon those many years ago. The market is evolving. It'd be great to see them first to market here in this space.

well there is the lightning like you alluded to.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by kypez

Ford need to take a chance and do something different to the market if they want to keep ahead. Keep the diesels, they are selling. Bring something new like an EV Everest/Ranger. Given the life of these platforms, they'll make back the R&D on them! They squandered what they were doing with the Falcon those many years ago. The market is evolving. It'd be great to see them first to market here in this space.

Well they have specifically said every vehicle they sell will have either a hybrid or ev option available by 2025. And a full ev version by 2030. So it’s just a matter of time. Hybrid ranger has already been rumoured by motoring journos as soon as 2023. Maybe the success of f150 lightning (100,000 orders since reveal) will spur them to speed up a ranger lightning ev?

Transit has a full ev version on the way now, so maybe that could be a suitable drivetrain?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Well they have specifically said every vehicle they sell will have either a hybrid or ev option available by 2025. And a full ev version by 2030. So it’s just a matter of time. Hybrid ranger has already been rumoured by motoring journos as soon as 2023. Maybe the success of f150 lightning (100,000 orders since reveal) will spur them to speed up a ranger lightning ev?

Transit has a full ev version on the way now, so maybe that could be a suitable drivetrain?

I want one now Boss! Everything seems to be coming in the future and even further away for us in Aus!

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by kypez

I want one now Boss! Everything seems to be coming in the future and even further away for us in Aus!

And then they keep on changing the strategy and nothing actually eventuates

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Because the whole segment offers lame noisy ****boxes, there's no incentive to offer something better as everyone offers wheezy diesel engines. There's no competition there, people still buy them in droves without needing that drive for initiative and improvement like other segments, that's why they still have drum brakes too.

Note that the USDM Ranger has rear discs, why could that be?

Look at diesel engines in passenger vehicles and look at the same capacities in the Thailand Specials - the Thailand Specials are junk in comparison to the diesel engines on offer in Mercedes/BMW passenger vehicle platforms.

I guess the Thailand Specials have a 10 year lifecycle too as per the norm with LCVs.

The 3.2L I5 Is as old as the hills, didn't it live in the Euro Transit before being offered in PX Ranger?

The rear drum thing is due to Thailand tax concessions. Same with leaf springs.