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Thought this could be an interesting topic to discuss given current world happenings around climate change and fossil fuels - specifically around how this will effect us car enthusiasts, before we're all dead and buried and our grandkids are renting single use cars on some phone app because no one owns cars anymore
![]() There's been a couple nations who have banned the sale of cars powered by good old dead dinosaurs, dug up from deep in the ground, and have been promoting EVs and all other sorts of substitutes to what we've known and used for over 100 years now. Do you think there will be a stop gap measure implemented to allow people who already own traditional internal combustion engine cars (see 99.9% of AFF) to continue to keep their '****box fleet' on the road? I have an automotive engineer as a customer at work and we were talking about modified cars and getting past an emissions test, he mentioned you could convert it to run on E85 as a single fuel vehicle, and it will blitz the $1500 emissions test you have to pass before you get the mod plate, alcohol based fuels (particularly ethanol) creates much less nasties out the exhaust compared to typical unleaded fuel. I have a feeling that while E85 is currently an obscure and hard to source fuel, this could be a great stop gap as a compromise for people who don't have the money to buy an EV (especially at current market rates) while keeping the environmental boffins happy - something that could bring real and tangible reductions through a low hanging fruit easy to implement measure. For older diesel vehicles there is also biodiesel/waste vegetable oil - one of our forum members rokwiz runs his truck fleet on biodiesel/waste vegetable oil (his build threads are worth a view). Maybe we could see cars powered by different types of fuels? BMW had done a hydrogen powered 7 series in 1990/1991 and again in 2007 using their 6L V12 7 series and created a dual fuel hydrogen/unleaded powered car (and it was crap) Now there's focus on hydrogen yet again, maybe in fuel cell applications. Something I'm also interested in is maritime freight, at the moment ships use some horrible heavy fuel oil substance that is absolutely horrible from an environmental perspective, we've got nuclear powered ships in use for military applications such as large aircraft carriers and submarines - could this technology see civilian applications such as cruise ships and freight? |
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1991 Hydrogen 7 series (Recorded 1/3/1991)
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What decline? From what i last read oil production isn’t expected to peak until 2040. While the chinese are ensuring coal production keeps rising by building and opening new coal powered stations.
Fossil fuels aren’t going away any time soon. |
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The less everyone else burns, the more there is for me!
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'Diesel...the fuel of Satan." Jeremy Clarkson
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I'm with you gents, fossil fuels aren't going anywhere except in the heads of greenwashing assholes with vested interests.
But - we're talking alternatives to unleaded to power transport. |
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I can't see my any change to my enthusiast vehicles, I only drive them on weekends, if in the future I need to apply for my ration, avoid cities, convert to a different fuel or change setups to pass emissions (it was good enough for VW) so be, but rest assured as soon as I get home I'll be bolting a bank of webers' back on.
As far as my enthusiasm goes, I welcome the change. I've got no interest in my dailies nor the new car market, Mustangs, Rangers and SUV's just do nothing for me. However, an electric sedan, I won't mention any brands ![]()
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Same with me, I'm happy to have my fleet of ****boxes, I'll generally always have a V8 car as one of the fleet,
For the sake of being able to still drive them, I'd do something like an E85 conversion if thats required in future... or LPG but the rate thats disappearing from servos is ridiculous ![]() |
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Governments will continue herding us towards more efficient vehicle choices like hybrids, PHEVs and BEVs,
fuel companies will try to maintain revenue by increasing price which will only affect older ICE vehicles. Commercial and diesel Utes will probably see a more gradual price rise. Question is when will we be talking $2.50/litre and then $3.00/litre, forcing people to change…. |
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The price of diesel goes up, then simply the costs of transport are passed onto Joe Public.
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After watching those Youtube Hydrogen clips I dont have much faith in Hydrogen the tanks are huge taking up passenger space and the power loss and travel range are effected massively.
EV's are much more efficient in my opinion and Lithium battery technology keeps getting better and better as we move away from ICE's. I'll take a Mustang EV anyday over the Hydrogen Beemer! ![]() |
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This.
The less the other folks use thinking they doing the right thing by having an electric car et al the better for me, and many others. 0 interest in hybrids/battery/electric Elon tesla kinda cars. No disrespect to folks that buy em though.
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Also the whole fact that you need to use electrolysis to convert it from water to hydrogen, then compress it into bottles, transport it to a servo, then pump it into your car, where its not 100% efficient, then use the hydrogen to convert back into electricity to power car through a hydrogen fuel cell is a bit silly. By the time you take into account all those things its sub 40% efficient, You might as well as take that power from the grid and use it to charge batteries in an EV rather than go through all the above just to get water coming out the exhaust. Maybe hydrogen could be used as a heating source, kinda like how we use compressed natural gas and LPG - might make sense in that application rather than transport purposes. I saw an Australian company has already made a hydrogen BBQ: https://www.heatlie.com.au/hydrogen-bbq https://www.heatlie.com.au/hydrogen-...ture-of-bbqing Quote:
We've had some crazy engine swaps done by this community and some absolutely epic projects - wonder who is going to be the first to use one of those electric crate motors Ford offers? Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 22-01-2022 at 06:43 PM. |
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Most likely it will be done covertly, probably through taxes, making fossil fuel cars unviable to own eventually. Its already started in the UK. £12.50 a day if want to drive within a ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone), ![]()
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There will be Diesel and unleaded powering our fleet for a number of years to come, I’m not against embracing E85 with a super high compression 5.4L rebuild though, you know to keep the government happy. |
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Me? I turn 40 this year, so I'll no doubt be enjoying my fossil fueled vehicles until I shove off...
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NASA seems to think it was solar wind that gradually drew Mars’s atmosphere away. https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/sc...le33910913.ece |
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Coincidentally, I watched that Mustard video re: nuclear passenger/freight liner. There are certainly many benefits to nuclear power in a marine context.
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Speaking of submarines... the Otto Hahn (German nuclear powered commercial vessel which was later converted to conventional diesel power) was commanded by legendary WWII U-boat ace Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock.
The story of the u-boat he commanded during the war (u-96) was the inspiration for the movie Das Boot. |
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