Boeing, what a mob of losers

flappist · 31-01-2005, 02:30 PM

Now this is not a an anti Boeing thread but...

1970s Boeing made a 747, it was fast (Mach .92) and climbed well, Now 30 years later the new models are heavier and fatter and are no faster and actually climb slower. Those winglets... what ricer marketing guru thought of putting them on. Maybe they should be an option for those who want to be individual. And those Vortex generators... rice, pure rice.

Come on Boeing, how do you expect to compete with Airbus if you do not perform better.

In recent tests the new Airbus A380 will outclimb you according to "Aero" and "Wings" and you have had those airframe problems you had to recall....

Now I am a Boeing man and have been all my life but if you do not bring out a new model soon that is faster than Airbus I will not fly on you anymore.

What happend to the days of "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going"?

You really have dropped the ball Boeing, the 400 series is heavier and slower than the 300 series, what a backstep you hopeless bastards.

N.B. this is satire.... there are limits to how far you can go in the real world.

Casper · 31-01-2005, 02:35 PM

The winglets actually dramatically reduce drag and therefore fuel usage.

Airbus are nice....unless your fling low over a French forest

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M14A-Mclaren · 31-01-2005, 02:43 PM

I heard Boeing were concentrating on short haul flights and Airbus concentrating on long haul flights, did I hear right?

T_Terror · 31-01-2005, 04:14 PM

Reminds me of Ford...

flappist · 31-01-2005, 04:52 PM

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Reminds me of Ford...

Really? Strange that eh....

Casper · 31-01-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Terror

Reminds me of Ford...

yes, well, many of us got the not so subtle hint but if this thread takes 1 step that way and the T word or the F word are mentioned I'm going to slam a lock on it so fast your head will spin. Zero tolerance for that crap at the moment. :SaiyanSmi

Back to the Boeing/Airbus discussion folks...nothing to see here.

Jaeger · 31-01-2005, 05:33 PM

Boeing dug their own hole.

Airbus went to them wanting to make a 747 replacement together but Boeing wasn't interested and now airbus has the A380 and Boeing missed out.

EB-maen · 31-01-2005, 05:43 PM

damn boeing, that really ticks me off

!Gn|T|0n · 31-01-2005, 07:25 PM

The wing tips create a higher pressure differential towards the ends of the wings resulting in more lift for a given wing span.

The A380 is a beautiful piece of kit but from what I’ve heard it caters to a somewhat larger market… one that Boeing must not justify entering into, or considers itself to have catered for given it’s current arsenal and the huge outlay that a model revision would cost. The fact that the 747 is still today the major large scale domestic unit is proof of its suitability to the purpose. Boeing also may not see the sense in designing an aircraft which requires terminal and airstrip modifications as the A380 does.

paul7v7 · 31-01-2005, 07:48 PM

as far as I know the airbus hasn't been air tested yet, only simulated using computers. So we really don't know how this new one will go.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztra...380-usat_x.htm

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So far, Airbus has built four test planes, and will soon start a fifth. The first plane has almost completed its ground tests and, in March, is expected to begin up to 1,000 hours of test flights leading to final safety certifications.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?ID=36220

svo347 · 31-01-2005, 08:05 PM

I wonder does it use the ram jet idea or does it use old school tech hehe

Kapn_Kiwi · 31-01-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by !Gn|T|0n

The wing tips create a higher pressure differential towards the ends of the wings resulting in more lift for a given wing span.

I thought they also cut down on drag because of the helix of air disturbed becoming smaller.

Casper · 31-01-2005, 08:24 PM

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I wonder does it use the ram jet idea or does it use old school tech hehe

We're not going there are we? :ticking:

svo347 · 31-01-2005, 08:28 PM

now now Shane was just tying to be sbutle about it ..

Casper · 31-01-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by svo347

now now Shane was just tying to be sbutle about it ..

Im not, we are not going there.

TIKFD6 · 31-01-2005, 08:31 PM

You cant help yourself.
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svo347 · 31-01-2005, 08:35 PM

Wha... Honest typo Kerry....

TIKFD6 · 31-01-2005, 08:41 PM

LMOA, i beleive you mate, honest.

Dark Horse · 31-01-2005, 09:14 PM

Bring back the B707 and the B727. Loud, noisy, smokey, and cruised a bit quicker than the turbofan vacuum cleaner sound cruisers of today.

No actually just bring back the barrell rolls, something Boeing jetliners were famous for. Airbus fly-by-wire flight protection systems are for poofs.

XD 351 Ute · 31-01-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

yes, well, many of us got the not so subtle hint but if this thread takes 1 step that way and the T word or the F word are mentioned I'm going to slam a lock on it so fast your head will spin. Zero tolerance for that crap at the moment. :SaiyanSmi

Back to the Boeing/Airbus discussion folks...nothing to see here.

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Ed

eed-250 · 31-01-2005, 11:09 PM

Im ****ed/maggoted but,
Winglets reduce induced drag which is a product of the creation of lift, ill take winglets anyday.
Who gives a **** if the A380 is so big n good! the fact i can cross controls in my boeing is enough to make me want to fly boeing

Airbus suck.

flappist · 31-01-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eed-250

Im ****ed/maggoted but,
Winglets reduce induced drag which is a product of the creation of lift, ill take winglets anyday.
Who gives a **** if the A380 is so big n good! the fact i can cross controls in my boeing is enough to make me want to fly boeing

Airbus suck.

Ah yes but included in a A380 command endorsment is a playstation 2 (actually I think it is part of the MEL)
Also I have heard the CVR is actually a webcam........

Most often heard comment on the flight deck of a scarebus "what do you think it is doing now?"
Second most heard comment... "why has the flight director got a cross, square, triangle and circle on it?"

Dark Horse · 31-01-2005, 11:40 PM

Airbus Instructor:

"The fly-by-wire is so good and makes the aircraft so easy to fly, even a twelve year old can fly it."

Dutch B727 Captain

"Well then, give it to a twelve-year-old then, I am a pilot."

Dutch pilot storms out of the simulator.

flappist · 31-01-2005, 11:50 PM

Didn't realise there were so many tech crew on here.....

old_mate · 01-02-2005, 12:06 AM

I've spent a little time working on 767's, 747's, and A330's

Boeing are a known thing. Pretty reliable, old school technology etc etc. 747-300's are pieces of shit. Lots of stuff likes to break (even A checks are nightmares)

The 400's are much better, but still, are getting old

Havent had much to do with the Airbus but it seems to be a decent enough thing. When they do break though, they tend to make a good job of it

Im not really looking forward to working on the A380. We struggle enough now getting 350 odd TV's working for you punters, imagine trying to keep on top of 500 odd lol. Gimme a 737 license and a domestic terminal job anyday

seano14 · 01-02-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Airbus Instructor:

"The fly-by-wire is so good and makes the aircraft so easy to fly, even a twelve year old can fly it."

hmm, i believe thats the same airbus with fly by wire technology that i have a video of, shows it aborting a landing and skimming across the top of a forest before going down into it

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Firefox7 · 01-02-2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by seano14

hmm, i believe thats the same airbus with fly by wire technology that i have a video of, shows it aborting a landing and skimming across the top of a forest before going down into it

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Yeah...was a nasty....Incident.....but wasn't an accident.........! They were just testing the strength of the wings.....

Cheers...

old_mate · 01-02-2005, 02:39 AM

I have seen this video heaps of times

I thought it was more the pilot had not engaged the autopilot properly, therefore maintained altitude even though trees were coming up (he was doing the fly by for the camera's/airshow)

have some history on that incident, will probably go find it tomorrow. There has been controlled flight into terrain with Boeing's too, you know....

Casper · 01-02-2005, 07:30 AM

It was actually caused by a similar incident to another airbus crash that killed a heap of people. Airbus wanted to land, pilot didnt.....airbus computers overrode the pilots input and bang, you have one less airbus. Major issue with them for a while there.

M14A-Mclaren · 01-02-2005, 09:01 AM

Computer overriding the pilots? bloody hell that can't be a good thing.