2000 AU1 question

fordman_01 · 06-03-2008, 01:59 PM

hey, i have a series 1.5 falcon lol (built march 2000) just before the series 2 falcons came out. what i want to know is do AU1 falcons come stock with Top Gun 8mm ignition leads and PBR brakes?

dont think they would of hey?

cheers neil

Mr Hardware · 06-03-2008, 02:03 PM

no i wouldn't reckon...

FGII-XR6 · 06-03-2008, 02:28 PM

no came with red motorcraft leads

HLC · 06-03-2008, 02:30 PM

are your front brakes single or twin piston?

PBR made the stock brakes for the series 2 AU's. probably series 1 as well, but ive never been up close to have a look on a series 1.

fordman_01 · 06-03-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

are your front brakes single or twin piston?

PBR made the stock brakes for the series 2 AU's. probably series 1 as well, but ive never been up close to have a look on a series 1.

yeh i think they are single pistons brakes. i was just wondering cos i thought ford wouldnt have used a good brnad of brakes and just use their own.

fordman_01 · 06-03-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

no came with red motorcraft leads

so i didnt get my fully stocko lol

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sly · 06-03-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fordman_01

yeh i think they are single pistons brakes. i was just wondering cos i thought ford wouldnt have used a good brnad of brakes and just use their own.

There's no such thing as a Ford brake these days. All the local manufacturers contract out brake component supply. PBR usually supply all but the most specialised bits.

fordman_01 · 06-03-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sly

There's no such thing as a Ford brake these days. All the local manufacturers contract out brake component supply. PBR usually supply all but the most specialised bits.

oooo tru, so when people are saying that series 1 brakes are shiet does that mean these PBR ones?

sly · 06-03-2008, 08:24 PM

The problem with series 1 brakes is to do with sizing, not brand. The single-piston front calipers don't have enough pad area to provide the braking force that people expect in a car of that size and weight. The 2-piston calipers used from AUII on have almost double the pad area which improves performance enormously.

If you put the series 1 brakes on say an XC or XD Falcon, they'd be more than adequate.

v8falconsrule · 06-03-2008, 09:33 PM

IIRC the standard brakes on fpv's are PBR. as stated the poor braking is more about being too small. the PBR brand has been fitted to aussie fords for quite some time now.

fordman_01 · 07-03-2008, 06:46 PM

oooo ok i c now, thanks for ur help guys, ill get some bigger brakes then now

**DJM83** · 07-03-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by v8falconsrule

IIRC the standard brakes on fpv's are PBR. as stated the poor braking is more about being too small. the PBR brand has been fitted to aussie fords for quite some time now.

They were also fitted to EB,EL GT's NL FBT's and most non brembo equipped T series

GK · 07-03-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fordman_01

oooo ok i c now, thanks for ur help guys, ill get some bigger brakes then now

Take a pic of the callipers, let us have a looky at them, and we'll tell you what you've got.

If they are the S1 brakes, you just can't stick S2-3 gear on there.

You need larger wheels 16inch to fit over the S2-3 callipers, also the uprights, sway bay setup and lower control arm is all different. IIRC the master cylinder is also metal, instead of the plaso S1 item.

I did a brake upgrade on my S1 wagon mid last year, everything mentioned above bar the master cylinder, but I added rda slotted rotors.

Works, soooooooo much better. I was getting really sick and tired of the Mrs putting her hands on the dash expecting a crash, every time we were in it together. You see, my daily driver is a S2 SR, and I was braking the same in the wagon as I did in the SR! LOL!

These are S1 single calliper items.

GK

fordman_01 · 08-03-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GK

Take a pic of the callipers, let us have a looky at them, and we'll tell you what you've got.

If they are the S1 brakes, you just can't stick S2-3 gear on there.

You need larger wheels 16inch to fit over the S2-3 callipers, also the uprights, sway bay setup and lower control arm is all different. IIRC the master cylinder is also metal, instead of the plaso S1 item.

I did a brake upgrade on my S1 wagon mid last year, everything mentioned above bar the master cylinder, but I added rda slotted rotors.

Works, soooooooo much better. I was getting really sick and tired of the Mrs putting her hands on the dash expecting a crash, every time we were in it together. You see, my daily driver is a S2 SR, and I was braking the same in the wagon as I did in the SR! LOL!

These are S1 single calliper items.

GK

o yeh ill post some pics up shortly....but im pretty sure i have those calipers but not those rotors...mine arnt slotted lol

GK · 08-03-2008, 11:09 AM

Please note that the rda slotteds aren't painted on the hub, and I had to do this myself (after they had rusted - LOL!). When I put a set on the SR, I was sure to paint them first!

You can see what I mean in the pic of the rotors, the paint has rubbed off from where the rotor contacts with the wheel. You can't see it though.

Here's me getting rid of the rust! LOL!

De-rusting and painting rotors
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...2&postcount=68

BTW, dba rotors are painted on the hub, but I've heard many a bloke here and a few brake places as well say that they give more warping issues than rda products do. That has certainly been my experience also.

All the best with your decision.

Cheers,

GK

sly · 08-03-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GK

IIRC the master cylinder is also metal, instead of the plaso S1 item.

That would be the booster, not the master cylinder. The S2 & later booster is metal and bigger than the plastic S1 item. It also bolts to the firewall with 4 bolts rather than the S1's 2-bolt setup and there are no common holes. So you have to make a template to drill 4 holes in the firewall, aligned so as to keep the master-cylinder at the right angle.

I only changed my booster because I was disappointed at the dead, heavy pedal feel after upgrading the front brakes. I have a S3 as well, and its pedal was very light, feelsome and responsive in comparison. I suspect my booster was just rooted after 300,000km and a new S1 booster might have been sufficient. The pedal is so much lighter and responsive on my car that the S3's pedal feels dead and heavy now. :togo:

fordman_01 · 08-03-2008, 06:50 PM

i have sprayed my calipers red and rotors silver...like the outside edges of them.

GK · 09-03-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sly

That would be the booster, not the master cylinder. The S2 & later booster is metal and bigger than the plastic S1 item. It also bolts to the firewall with 4 bolts rather than the S1's 2-bolt setup and there are no common holes. So you have to make a template to drill 4 holes in the firewall, aligned so as to keep the master-cylinder at the right angle.

Cheers for that Sly.

GK