Bargain Supercharger Kit Coming?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by JC

Ah, yes. The new fad.

Yup, got to keep up with the Jones's

[EA2BA]

I reckon an EA EEC-IV airbox would almost fit to make it look a little like stock.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by JC

Yours then!?

He hasn't replied yet JC,maybe it is Buckys
Nah he couldn't handle it.

Casper keeping up witht he Jones's

Sorry haven't read all the thread is there a V8 in the making after the i6 is done ?

[Mark351]

Not that I'm aware of, maybe if there's enough interest?

[xr8ute]

Thats a Raptor head unit, yeah? Is it the V or the R?

[dishpig]

If I didn't have to pay off my car so much right now I'd be strpping one of these on as soon as I could. I've wanted a supercharger ever since I got my car, guess I'll have to wait till about half way through next year :

By the way the supercharger looks nice and neat so far.

[Bobman]

Project looks good, is there discounts for Group buys? The bracket would suit a BA I6 wouldn't it?

[Eu-GenixX]

there are already kits for the BA i6.....

i was looking for this thread the other day...but couldn't find it...

pushed back to october release now apparently... i just want a definate price.. and what you get for that price....

[Bobman]

Yeah, but who wants to pay $5k for a BA kit?

[Eu-GenixX]

5k still isn't bad....

altho i'm very sceptical about this AU kit being $3500.... or it might be that.. but still need to buy lots more stuff on top of it....

all other kits on that site are over 5k or more....

[Bobman]

I think Raptor is a more viable choice than the CAPA stuff, just for pure ease of installment.

3500 is a very good deal so it should be interesting what transpires.

[Eu-GenixX]

capa's biggest downfall is their pricing....

but i agree... i have been waiting for weeks to find out what the go with this kit is..

i even emailed them.. but didnt' get a reply.... atleast capa did give me a reply.. and even sent me a full list of what is included in their kits....

[sly]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

my capa kit won't pass an engineer's cert as the pod filter isn't boxed and the bypass valves arn't plummbed back. This is a stock capa kit so be very very carefull, hat they say and what is the truth are 2 very different things.

Have been talking to an engineering signatory about my project and these issues. He says:

If the engine runs a mass air flow sensor (MAF sensor), you cannot dump air to atmosphere because the EFI system will supply fuel to go with that air and go way rich every time the BOV (bypass valve) actuates.

If the engine does not use a MAF sensor, it's a manifold air pressure/ manifold air temperature (MAP/MAT) sensor engine and the atmospheric BOV won't affect emissions. I've certified a few vehicles with atmospheric BOVs.

So on the AU V8 which uses a MAF sensor, you can't vent to atmosphere, but on the I6 which has a TMAP instead of a MAF, you can.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by sly

Have been talking to an engineering signatory about my project and these issues. He says:



So on the AU V8 which uses a MAF sensor, you can't vent to atmosphere, but on the I6 which has a TMAP instead of a MAF, you can.

My xr8 use's a map sensor not a maf as does the xr6t, why cant an xr6t vent to the atmo.

[sly]

It may be a noise rather than emissions issue, the next para of the email from the engineer says:

If CAPA can document that the installation including BOV and air pod comply
with ADRs 28/01 (noise including a drive-by test) and 37/01 (emissions),
no testing is needed. If they can't document the emissions, we need an
IM240 emission test done at the RTA in Sydney. If they can't document the
drive-by noise, we need to do the test and hope that it passes...

Sounds like he thinks the BPV may be noisy. Factory turbo's tend to have plumbed-back BOV's presumably to keep them quiet. Not sure what you meant WRT XR6T, presumably if you change the BOV from stock to atmo-vented you would need to get the change engineered.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by sly

It may be a noise rather than emissions issue, the next para of the email from the engineer says:

Sounds like he thinks the BPV may be noisy. Factory turbo's tend to have plumbed-back BOV's presumably to keep them quiet. Not sure what you meant WRT XR6T, presumably if you change the BOV from stock to atmo-vented you would need to get the change engineered.

Yea thats what i meant re the xr6t. Well it looks promising IF capa can provide that info...

[realor]

is this thing still happening at all?

[Eu-GenixX]

yeah.. i'd like to know too... the site still says.. "coming october 07"

but it said it was "coming september 07"... but they pushed it back..

i jsut wanna know what the price will be.. and what you get for that price... if it's not cheap enuf.. i will not be using it... and i'l go turbo instead

[sly]

Reading Nudge's thread today about the ongoing hassles he's had getting a supercharged I6 tuned properly, here , I'd say they've struck some unforseen tuning issues. If so, I hope they get them properly sorted before releasing the kit!!!

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by sly

Reading Nudge's thread today about the ongoing hassles he's had getting a supercharged I6 tuned properly, here , I'd say they've struck some unforseen tuning issues. If so, I hope they get them properly sorted before releasing the kit!!!

I was told by a mate they had a vortech'd terry on the dyno today and it made 25orwkw on 9LB's, if the tuner is competent there isn't an issue.

Who would seriously be intrested in buying a vortech kit for there BA/BF I6, i mean willing to put a deposit down.

[Eu-GenixX]

The AU ecu is veru different to the BA/BF/Terry ECU....

i've been told by tuners that the capa flash tuner is brilliant for BA's etc.. but really not so great for AU's....

[sly]

Originally Posted by Eu-GenixX

The AU ecu is veru different to the BA/BF/Terry ECU....

i've been told by tuners that the capa flash tuner is brilliant for BA's etc.. but really not so great for AU's....

Spot on, the Barra engines use a "Black Oak" PCM which is not the EEC V as used in EF-AU, although they were both developed by the same company.

Most tuners would do a couple of dozen or more BA/BF's for every AU they see, so nowhere near as skilled on AU's.

There are 2 schools of thought here:

1. That the results gained on AU's have more to do with the capabilities of the tuner than the capabilities of the PCM or the CAPA box.
2. That the Sniper tuning system will be a silver bullet that fixes all the flash tuner problems.

Only time will tell. Perhaps we should make it a poll?

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by sly

Spot on, the Barra engines use a "Black Oak" PCM which is not the EEC V as used in EF-AU, although they were both developed by the same company.

Most tuners would do a couple of dozen or more BA/BF's for every AU they see, so nowhere near as skilled on AU's.

There are 2 schools of thought here:

1. That the results gained on AU's have more to do with the capabilities of the tuner than the capabilities of the PCM or the CAPA box.
2. That the Sniper tuning system will be a silver bullet that fixes all the flash tuner problems.

Only time will tell. Perhaps we should make it a poll?

SO it's not the software its the tuners who arn't up to scratch, easy fix find someone who actually knows how to tune. Any competent tuner will be able to tune the car.

[sly]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

SO it's not the software its the tuners who arn't up to scratch, easy fix find someone who actually knows how to tune. Any competent tuner will be able to tune the car.

Any competent tuner who has a big enough market to justify the cost of the Advantage software and a "starter kit" of 20, yes twenty, flash tuner boxes. There is, for example, one in Newcastle & he is so competent he can afford to turn work away ATM. This "fix" is much easier in Melbourne.

The Sniper kit should help here, as the entry cost is lower, also I could buy a $1300 package (same price as say a Haltech E6X), put the tuning software on my laptop and take car and laptop to a competent tuner of my choice. There would have to be all of 2 or 3 in the Newcastle area good enough to consider....

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by sly

Any competent tuner who has a big enough market to justify the cost of the Advantage software and a "starter kit" of 20, yes twenty, flash tuner boxes. There is, for example, one in Newcastle & he is so competent he can afford to turn work away ATM. This "fix" is much easier in Melbourne.

The Sniper kit should help here, as the entry cost is lower, also I could buy a $1300 package (same price as say a Haltech E6X), put the tuning software on my laptop and take car and laptop to a competent tuner of my choice. There would have to be all of 2 or 3 in the Newcastle area good enough to consider....

Smallish towns such as newcastle is another story, it might be worth the 3 hour trip to sydney to get your car tuned right the first time round.

[sly]

Suggest you read Nudge's thread I linked to, above. He was told by one of the Sydney tuners with a huge rep on this forum, that they had done lots of BA's but on a boosted AU it would be all "suck and see". Didn't give him a lot of confidence after shelling out $3000 on tuning only to still have suicidally lean mixtures under boost.

I have a local tuner in mind with 12yrs+ experience tuning GM memcals in NA and boosted vehicles. His wife & son both drive AU's ironically. The Sniper software is apparently similar to Cal Maker to use. Yes I know the AU will be different to tune to a Crummydore, but it's also a long way different to a BA. What is more important to me is that he has genuine experience that he can transfer & apply to the AU. I'm starting to wonder if some of the tuners don't just follow a cookbook approach to the BA that doesn't translate to the AU.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by sly

Suggest you read Nudge's thread I linked to, above. He was told by one of the Sydney tuners with a huge rep on this forum, that they had done lots of BA's but on a boosted AU it would be all "suck and see". Didn't give him a lot of confidence after shelling out $3000 on tuning only to still have suicidally lean mixtures under boost.

I have a local tuner in mind with 12yrs+ experience tuning GM memcals in NA and boosted vehicles. His wife & son both drive AU's ironically. The Sniper software is apparently similar to Cal Maker to use. Yes I know the AU will be different to tune to a Crummydore, but it's also a long way different to a BA. What is more important to me is that he has genuine experience that he can transfer & apply to the AU. I'm starting to wonder if some of the tuners don't just follow a cookbook approach to the BA that doesn't translate to the AU.

Mate i'll be honest i know nothing about tuning but im guessing the same basic princepals will apply across all vechils.

It would be possible to build a blower kit & supply a genric tune for say a 7lb or 9lb pulley, i think what the problem will be is how each engine will react to the tune. Some engine may have done 3 times the k's as others and will be worn and flogged out. This pose's a huge problem as if you try to make good power with the generic tune you could end up lunching a few of the older engines while the better engines wouldn't make as much power as they could be. So a custom tune is basically the only way to go, it's a different story with the ba-bfs are they will still be realativley low k engines.

I'm in the states in a week and a half and im looking for a new vortech supplier as the one im currently dealing with has a new manager, we had words the day after he started and he's stuffed me around since. If people are serious about a vortech tuner kit i'll get it sorted, maybe someone can start a thread to organise people who are intrested.

[Eu-GenixX]

depending on cost...i might be interested... but i think i'm leaning more towards the turbo side of things now... with a new dilemma of what choices i have for tuning.. :S

[sly]

You are spoilt for choice in Brisvegas. Quite a few CAPA and aftermarket ECU tuners, and Chiptorque are based up there and can tune for boost in their workshop. TurboTaxi has a Chiptorque 7psi chip in his AU IIRC, I don't know whether he took his car to them or just had them post the chip to him. It may be old tech but it seems to work for him. And who knows how many will pick up the Sniper system?

[Xr6n/a]

ive been undercover for a while now and i was quoted 3900 for this kit without tuning but EVERYTHING else needed to bolt it on and drive with appratiate whateva computer there using and tuning id say about 5000 bolt on at your house and ur off