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View Poll Results: What is your stance on childhood vaccination | |||
Pro Vaccination without researching. |
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10 | 45.45% |
Pro Vaccination after I researched. |
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11 | 50.00% |
Anti Vaccination without researching. |
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0 | 0% |
Anti Vaccination after I researched. |
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1 | 4.55% |
Anti vaccination because of the very large schedule. |
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0 | 0% |
Not sure, I wish there was more readily available info. |
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0 | 0% |
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll |
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I will be a first time father in 3 months. I never gave a second thought to whether or not to immunise your kids or not, I figured it was just the normal done thing. My partner is dead against it and me being someone who likes to research and form my own opinion, I started to look into it.
Through the research I came across a very interesting fact that 100% swayed me to the non vaccination corner for my personal circumstance. In a debate between a pro and non vaccination person, the non lady asked the pro man, can you get the Medicare report that states how many children have been vaccinated have contracted the diseases they were immunised against also the statistics for children suffering adverse side effects from the immunisation. The answer was that, yes, it is possible to get that report, but it AGAINST THE LAW to use any government information from those systems against the government's pro vaccination agenda. So I read further into the pro and against and discovered that currently we are the highest level of vaccinations, but also the highest level of whooping cough....and you have the media telling you that not getting vaccinated yourself and your kids is putting all kids at danger. A little alarmism I would have thought given that the kids with whooping cough are in fact vaccinated as well as the unvaccinated kids. I had an infection in my finger the other day from a drill I had a fight with, anyway I went to the doctor as it was not healing properly. Automatically she wanted to give me a tetanus shot, when I sauid why she said that you have not had a tetanus shot since high school. I said yes and in that time I have not contracted tetanus and have had many many cuts and scratches all over my body. She replied, so you are refusing the vaccination? I said, No, I never asked for it and you never justified why I needed it. The agenda for government and doctors is to push you into vaccines which is wrong. There should be a valid discussion as to why you need it, what side effects there could be and then let you make the informed choice...but you rarely hear the anti vaccine side of the story. My question I pose to others out there is, are you pro or anti vaccine? If you are either have you done research yourself to make the informed choice? Last edited by leighm; 23-03-2011 at 02:01 PM. Reason: Stuffed up the title :( |
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Are you serious that that site is going to provide any unbiased information on immunisation? |
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And then you have the other side of the coin.
http://www.infowars.com/vaccinations-deadly-immunity/ I would still get my child vaccinated though
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I'm pro vaccination.
It has saved millions upon millions of lives already. It's cheap, proven insurance. Sure there are side effects, just like everything in life. At the risk of the side effects, I wouldn't hesitate in getting my children immunised. What they can catch or contract without it is much, much worse. |
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Im not going to bother reading any text up on it, simply because I am in favour of getting it done for the sake of society.
IMO to look at vac's from a personal perspective is selfish. Its not as simple as that I know, Ive got two under 3, and have thought about what happens if it goes wrong. But you have to look past that. And its not just the local gene pool you have to worry about, what happens when they go traveling etc, which they will. I would feel like crap if they contracted something through the system, but Id feel worse if I did nothing to help them. Good luck. So yeah, PRO Vac if you cant tell.
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It is estimated that Polio and Smallpox killed 500-600 million people before a vaccine was made available.
Pro Vaccination.
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There is certainly something to be said about vaccination being a good thing, and it certainly can be. But I believe the schedule that is forced upon parents is wrong. If you look back 30 years to when I was immunised there were about 10 diseases on the schedule, today there are 36. That is a lot of stress on a very young body and immune system.
Recently everyone heard of the baby that died of whooping cough because they were too young to be vaccinated, but we heard less about the baby ion Brisbane that died that got the swine flu vaccine. Subsequently that vaccine was taken off the shelves by the Australian health authorities for anyone under 5 even though it had previously been approved for use.....it never underwent testing for children under 5. How was it ever approved? |
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Swine Flu? I dont think I am even vacced for that.
Its all staged and measured dosages for the age I thought. Question....what will you feel like when your child contracts a disease that they could have avoided?
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I will be using Homeopathy Prophpylaxis with my daughter. It is a form of immunisation of specific possibly deadly diseases. I am pro immune system building, not pro vaccination. There is a difference.
Check out work by Isaac Golden and his remedies in Homeopathy. He has conducted a 20 year long study. His methods do not inundate the body with many diseases at once in a completely unnatural method of injecting directly into the blood. Most of the immune system is in the digestion system where most diseases are caught. The administration is oral so you pass through the natural immune system. Not for everyone, but for me I feel that is the right way to go about building immunity. |
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polio builds character.
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Isnt this thread about OUR choices and opinions, or is it just for you to keep pushing your own opinion?
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The assumption is my child will get a disease because they are unvaccinated, not true. If they did get a disease I would obviously ask the what if questions. I would also be happy that I had use homeopathy to build immune because it could have been worse. Now to you, what if your child suffers seizures because of a needle to immmunise against diseases that have not been seen in Australia for many many years? Or far worse, incurred brain damage. It is all a what if situation with vaccines, nothing can guarantee either way. It is a gamble either way you go. Modern hygiene and medicine have coma a long way in cleaning up disease epidemics. |
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REAL DOCTORS in you local area not media tart spin doctors...... |
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I don't have kids so can't really comment or speculate. But if I were to have children, I'd get them vaccinated for their benefit and peace of mind for myself. If you want to boost your kids immune system, let them go out and roll around the grass and dirt and be kids...
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Those same billion plus people have hardly any access to modern medicine like we have it. Think about it... or are your children going to live in a cotton-wool sleeping bag within a bubble for the rest of their lives? One day in the future I would like my children to backpack through China, Russia, Mongolia, India, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Nepal, Laos and some of the other 3rd world countries I have failed to mention. Great experiences and a real eye opener to how most of the rest of the world 'live'. After seeing what I have seen... you are playing with fire if you don't immunise. Your kids will be mixing with kids from all walks of life all around the world. As already said... they may want to travel down the track. |
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Cotton wool hardly. Immunisation is a very good thing to do when you plan on exposing your kids to diseases in countries like that. |
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The flu shot has 3 strains covered I think. It's an educated guess what strains will be around in the future and if you still get sick it just means you got a strain that was thought to not be as common as the rest. I may be totally wrong... the nurse was hot and I had other things going through my mind while I was trying to have this 'thought provoking' conversation lol. |
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not immunising kids is bad for society. "heard immunity" occurs where diseases dont have a chance to come back as a significant percentage of the population is immunised against it so it cant take hold.
there will always be a certain percentage of the population that cant be immunised for legitimate reasons, so having healthy kids immunised keeps the ones that cant be immunised safe from diseases. so by not immunising a healthy kid you may be risking the lives of others less fortunate. |
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Be warned leighm that if you do not vaccinate your child and you go to enrol them into day/childcare YOU WILL BE REFUSED AND TURNED AWAY.
I would not like it one little bit if my child came into contact with yours knowing it hasn't been immunised.
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What happens if an Indian family 'straight off the plane' puts their son / daughter in the scout group your child is a member of? Will you restrict who your children play with? Those kids 'from countries like that' are here and now.... Anyway, I think you have already made your decision prior to this thread and will rebut any counter argument no matter what to be honest. |
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I would discriminate against you yet again knowing you won't immunise your kids. I for one hope you live nowhere near the Gold Coast.
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Each to their own. I get where everyone is coming from and this is a contentious issue where people like me are outweighed heavily . I get that. |
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LOL @ anyone anti-vaccine
Our forefathers created and took vaccines to virtually eradicate smallpox and polio from our lives So to repay them, you choose to be anti-vaccine? If I was them i'd feel like i'd been spat in the face
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All for it. My daughter recently had her 12 month needle. When you look at what's it protects against then makes sense and wouldn't think twice.
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