Australia - China - Poltics

[ford71V8]

Somehow by watching Avi Yemeni vids posted on this forum I am now receiving emails from yellowvestaustralia.org


These are the t-shirts they were offering for sale

[FTE217]

IMO having been going back and forth for business to China near on 20yrs I'd love any OS Gov to stick it up the CCP and so much more.......
So for me Trump no matter his screwed up egotistical lack of political background ways I hope he wins re election.....
Maybe it was the meant to be modern day storm in global politics ? who knows.
Putin Xi would root anything for politcal gain no different to them all before and after.
IF we have to suffer in the end one day due to US finally making a proper strategic stand so be it I'll be standing up for it no worries at all.
Sick of them having tenticles everywhere I go, countries need to wake up and stop selling their souls for money/handouts.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Maybe it was the meant to be modern day storm in global politics ? who knows.
Putin Xi would root anything for politcal gain no different to them all before and after.

It's been planned, and for a long time. Timing is everything.

These dip **** are calling Trump a dictator but Putin and Xi Jinping can reign for life?

I buy peanut butter that uses peanuts grown in Australia - protect out farmers regardless of who bought that land.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

It's been planned, and for a long time. Timing is everything.

These dip **** are calling Trump a dictator but Putin and Xi Jinping can reign for life?

I buy peanut butter that uses peanuts grown in Australia - protect out farmers regardless of who bought that land.

True. Pivot to Asia started in 2012 by Obama....before Xi even took office. John Pilger's documentary called the US military bases surrounding southern China a "noose". At any moment in time they could cut off supplies, and China will effectively starve to death. Hence why I think nuclear war is not out of the equation.


Hmmmm what's this about? Poms rooting for Beijing Biden?

Boris Johnson's government is privately 'desperate' for Trump to lose the election to Joe Biden

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/d...20-7?r=US&IR=T

[gooseneck]

It doesn't matter who wants who to fail or wants what or who cuts up their piece of the pie.

We got into debt with China.
The IMF sold debt to the entire 3rd world.

The problem here is debt.
Stop getting into debt and we will be fine.

But we don't want to stop buying stupid SUVs or million dollar McMansions.

Thankfully the last time I bought a tv set was 5 years ago but buying a new phone every year is gratuitious.

Either pay off the debt or prepare for war and seeing as we no longer have any easy resources to pay for the debt...

So war it is. War is good for banks after all.

Didn't some guy a few thousand years ago say something about bankers?

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

It doesn't matter who wants who to fail or wants what or who cuts up their piece of the pie.

We got into debt with China.
The IMF sold debt to the entire 3rd world.

The problem here is debt.
Stop getting into debt and we will be fine.

But we don't want to stop buying stupid SUVs or million dollar McMansions.

Thankfully the last time I bought a tv set was 5 years ago but buying a new phone every year is gratuitious.

Either pay off the debt or prepare for war and seeing as we no longer have any easy resources to pay for the debt...

So war it is. War is good for banks after all.

Didn't some guy a few thousand years ago say something about bankers?

Love your updates Makes my day. I thought UK and US held most of our debt? Do you know how China holding $1.3 trillion of US debt plays out in all of this? Is this like someone putting a hit on their loan shark because they don't want to repay the loan? I have no idea how foreign debt works.

What happens if China decides to dump the debt on market? Can they do that? Who will hurt more?

And most importantly, where should I stick my money in these times? Gold has already bolted :(

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

It doesn't matter who wants who to fail or wants what or who cuts up their piece of the pie.

We got into debt with China.
The IMF sold debt to the entire 3rd world.

The problem here is debt.
Stop getting into debt and we will be fine.

But we don't want to stop buying stupid SUVs or million dollar McMansions.

Thankfully the last time I bought a tv set was 5 years ago but buying a new phone every year is gratuitious.

Either pay off the debt or prepare for war and seeing as we no longer have any easy resources to pay for the debt...

So war it is. War is good for banks after all.

Didn't some guy a few thousand years ago say something about bankers?

Goose, I can sell you a nice hand built Keep.
Arrow slit windows and boiling fat buckets to ward off those commie marauders are a no cost option.

[gooseneck]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

boiling fat buckets to ward off those commie marauders are a no cost option.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Hello Goosey,

Gangs, it will come to your door step whether you choose it or not.

Stay safe

Aww isn't that sweet you guys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-MySzAac

Here I am whittling broomsticks into spears.

[gooseneck]

Put it into things that will keep you alive.

Fences. Food. Fords.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...&postcount=177

And whatever I covered in this post.

If you haven't got a place to put it all then get a Farm. Just don't use Finance to buy it with, save up for it.

[FTE217]

hehe very true goose.
Money, some in my circles long ago blamed the greeks re the first coins.

Yep debt, where once we lived by our means and since credit cards etc we live beyond our means. (well many do today)
Damn a new mobile every year isn't cheap if going the high end ones.
Now you can buy 65/75" tv's cheaper than a top spec iphone, go figure.

Funny you bringing up about getting set up of the grid so to speak, only brought this up to friends last week due to covid and all.
Yes a war has to happen sooner or later, man cannot help itself.
Its been too long since WW11 followed by the middle east US raids so its got to come.
Place needs it have to say, we've got too much cancer building up inside.
People are unrest, countries are getting poorer and obviously there always has to be a villian, China is a good one I suppose.
Trouble is they are all as bad as each other and were the lambs to slaughter/callateral damage.

[gooseneck]

Australia is a key rare earth mineral supplier for the USA. I'm sure we will be safeguarded by the US.

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/s...61499bf0eb8708

As for domestic problems here in Australia I'm pretty sure that its going to be a complete **** show over the next 5 years.

https://time.com/4737800/meth-austra...ylamphetamine/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-...study/11633416

Meth is already a strain for the cops here.

I would expect theft to be an everyday thing.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

Australia is a key rare earth mineral supplier for the USA. I'm sure we will be safeguarded by the US.

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/s...61499bf0eb8708

As for domestic problems here in Australia I'm pretty sure that its going to be a complete **** show over the next 5 years.

https://time.com/4737800/meth-austra...ylamphetamine/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-...study/11633416

Meth is already a strain for the cops here.

I would expect theft to be an everyday thing.

Hello Goosey,
If you are hanging your hat on rare earths, then I have bad news for you. You see, rare earths aren't really that rare. There is actually lots of it, but its just not economical to dig out and clean at current prices. There is plenty of supply to meet demand. If the tables turn, they can just dig out the same stuff closer to their own backyard. Geologists believe the biggest untapped rare earth mine actually sit in......North Korea. I have more confidence of a rescue mission from King Charles or King Williams. I trust William he seems like a decent chap.

On the subject of China, I see they have built four new VLOCs with more to come. This is not what Australia wants to see. VLOCs can carry large amounts of ore for very long distances.

Drugs are bad mmmkay, but I think we are going to have a bigger problem. Gangs. It has already started. There has been an increase in report of attacks of people of asian decent, particularly in SA. You don't hear much about it on mainstream news but there are plenty of footages if you know where to look. Bad news is, vigilante groups are now forming. That's how gangs start. A small group of people feeling vulnerable so they band together. Then when they realise how much power they have it snowballs into something bigger and more dangerous. It reminds me of the 80s where special task forces had to be set up to deal with it. Not good. You see, drugs I have the choice to stay clear of, to some extent. Gangs, it will come to your door step whether you choose it or not.

Stay safe

[gooseneck]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Hello Goosey,
If you are hanging your hat on rare earths, then I have bad news for you.

Not hanging my hat on anything. I know that the US will lose in a fight against China/NK/Rus. China/NK/Rus have the upper hand with sheer numbers.

Which means we will all be on a slave train to northern siberia within 5 years if we don't nail a war.

You see, rare earths aren't really that rare.

Known this since I was 12.

Drugs are bad mmmkay, but I think we are going to have a bigger problem. Gangs. It has already started. There has been an increase in report of attacks of people of asian decent, particularly in SA.

I don't get along with my neighbours that well, know why?

Not just drugs but by the mindset that everyone wants to rule over each other.

One is a thieving lying mischevious Liberal voting boomer that likes to manipulate everyone in the street against me. I took him to court and we had an agreement that I wouldn't take an AVO out on him if he stopped talking to me, since then he's not only broken that agreement but he also continues to smash his car door and continually intimidate me and my mother on a daily basis.

This person impersonated a police officer in private and threatened to bash my head in meanwhile acting all kind and considerate toward me when he was in public spotlight for everyone to see.

So now everyone in the street thinks I'm the bad guy.

I nearly got my head caved in yesterday by one of my closest friends in the street because he is believing and listening to whatever this person says.

Know what my mum does about it? **** all. I've begged with her to go and talk with him about it but she refuses to do so even if it means getting me off the hook at getting my head bashed in.

Know what living and existing has taught me? That people will do anything and everything for a dollar or a shiney thing and that adults aren't really adults at all, they're children pretending to be adults and they have no idea what they're doing. Most people go along with whatever somebody who thinks that they know what they're doing says because you know, whatever right? why rock the boat? Life is painful enough.

The court system is based upon wizardry, entirely based upon casting spells. Look it up on youtube.

Search for "Judges are High Priest of Baal working under Canon Law"
https://www.goldismoney2.com/threads...non-law.76533/

Think about it, what is consumerism if it isn't a bunch of kids buying shiney things with money to impress one another?

What is fighting and bashing someones head in if it isn't a bunch of kids killing each other over an idea or value?

Human beings are the most selfish self obsessed organism on planet earth that is a fact.

Its already as bad as gangs fighting and thieving and stealing. Its called modern society. Modern society has been tearing itself apart for decades. Or it was never ever stable to begin with.

As far as I'm concerned communism and republicanism are both as bloody as each other and you're all doomed for eternity to fight amongst yourselves forever.

That's why I'm centric, because I realise that both sides are polar oppisites of one other because both sides of the political spectrum have been pitted against one another deliberately by the old Jews 4,000 years ago.

My religious beliefs force me to not take a side for a very good reason. I don't worship Baal and never will.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

Not hanging my hat on anything. I know that the US will lose in a fight against China/NK/Rus. China/NK/Rus have the upper hand with sheer numbers.

Which means we will all be on a slave train to northern siberia within 5 years if we don't nail a war.

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My religious beliefs force me to not take a side for a very good reason. I don't worship Baal and never will.

OH mate, sounds like things are a bit rough. I hope it gets better soon. I've only ever experienced a bad neighbour once. That was in the 80s, I was only 10. My dad owned a holden statesman v8, and he would go to work at 5am. It would wake our neighbour and they weren't too pleased. But we didn't have to deal with them for too long because it turns out they were growing something in their backyard that they shouldn't have, and were promptly moved away. My current neighbour is in her 90s and I mow her lawn for her, and she is grateful. Lovely lady. She doesn't even complain about my Ford V8.

War is where old men talk and young men die. If war breaks out I don't think there will be a winner. Only losers from both sides. This won't be a war like Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't think you need to worry about being shipped off as a slave, it isn't that kind of war. I don't think we would even see any reds set foot on our soil. But the ramifications will be huge for generations to come. Remember, God promised to never destroy the earth again, like the time of the great flood. Keep the faith.

[five 7]

Another company got into bed with the devil and lost.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...ed-car-company

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by five 7

Another company got into bed with the devil and lost.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...ed-car-company

Who the hell in their right mind would make a deal with such a corrupt government that will change the rules to suit them at the drop of a hat???

My goodness...

[Crazy Dazz]

China faces a number of fundamental problems:

They're a huge international player, and want to do even more.
But at the same time they are xenophobic, paranoid, and inept at foreign communication.

They want to catch and surpass the world in technical and scientific innovation.
But the entire fabric of their society is based on people not thinking for themselves and not challenging the status quo.

They want to elevate their population to a prosperous middle-class.
But much of their industry is built on horrific exploitation of the working class.

In their thirst to always progress the interests of China, they engage in wholesale corruption, deceit, and treachery.
Yet those same qualities make their corporations and industries hideously inefficient.

They engage in bullying and extortion in their International Trade dealings, feeling secure in the knowledge that collectively China is the biggest participant in most markets, and that therefore "we need them more than they need us."
However they have built their entire economy on International Commerce, and in total they are extremely vulnerable.

They have developed their entire economy buy constantly short-selling their currency. They can only do that by constantly buying up USD reserves. I really don't know how long they can sustain that.

They have a fig up their **** about Taiwan, and insist on constant Sabre-Rattling, threatening of Taiwan, and ****ing off America.
Eventually their own stupid pride will get them into a war with somebody like Trump. So China, whose entire economy depends on Maritime Commerce, will have to take on the US Navy. Good luck with that.

[gooseneck]

My fish food comes from Taiwan so. I've been buying food on credit 20kg at a time so I've got at least 6 months supply if anything were to happen.

Same goes for medication, its impossible now to get Tetracycline meds imported from China, which has made my life difficult to say the least as I've got an outbreak of Cottonmouth/Columnaris, I've been buying multicure in those tiny little bottles. You can get Blue Planet Tetracycline locally but its 4x the cost or more. I used to be able to get 4x bottles for the same price as one bottle of 25x tablets.

I might have to find an Aussie manufacturer of aquatic meds.

I have had plans for buying 100% Australian fish food ever since day one but its not time yet to be doing that in my business as I'm far too small to afford the 50% markup above the cost of the fish food from Taiwan. One of these days though I'm sure its going to be difficult to get anything at all from overseas and I'll be forced to buy 100% Australian everything.

I am concerned too about the Australian supplier being able to deliver because I doubt that they can provide a product without China/Asia either.

So I'm doomed if I do and doomed if I don't.

[T3rminator]

Hard to have sympathy when people chasing the $ get burnt. The rewards are huge but so are the risks. When you sign on to get cheap labour and access China's mass market, they usually demand something big back. 9 times out of 10, its to have access to the design. This is not new, and has been going on since day dot. But businesses sign on because they see the big $$$$$. I suspect we are not being told the full story on the Saleen deal. It could also be retaliation for all the "executive orders" and sanctions. I wonder how the Teslas and the Boeings are managing this risk. Have heard some big companies use their own citizens to run sensitive parts of the business. That is good risk management.

If you ever watch Dragon's Den / Shark Tank, the Dragons / Sharks always ask if the presenter holds the patent on a new invention. If the answer is no, they run a million miles. They also run a million miles if the presenter wants to go into external markets, including the US. That or they ask for a big slice of the pie. Why? Because the risks are huge. Other countries don't play by our rules. But fear not, we now have rules that allows us to have full control on foreign investments. FIRB threshold is now set at $0, and the FIRB can force foreign entities to sell at a later date if they deem that it is not of national interest.

Sorry to hear about your plight Goose. The world relies on China to supply the raw ingredients for much of its medicines. Imagine is there is a "executive order" signed to limit export to certain parts of the world. Not out of the question if war breaks out. So maybe look to natural remedies, or start barracking for India. My mate has been trying to source canned tuna with 100% ingredients from Australia. He is struggling. I tell him its fine to get John West, which is Thailand owned, but he thinks all of Asia is the same as China. He can't tell the difference. Typical tradie.....

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

My fish food comes from Taiwan so. I've been buying food on credit 20kg at a time so I've got at least 6 months supply if anything were to happen.

Same goes for medication, its impossible now to get Tetracycline meds imported from China, which has made my life difficult to say the least as I've got an outbreak of Cottonmouth/Columnaris, I've been buying multicure in those tiny little bottles. You can get Blue Planet Tetracycline locally but its 4x the cost or more. I used to be able to get 4x bottles for the same price as one bottle of 25x tablets.

I might have to find an Aussie manufacturer of aquatic meds.

I have had plans for buying 100% Australian fish food ever since day one but its not time yet to be doing that in my business as I'm far too small to afford the 50% markup above the cost of the fish food from Taiwan. One of these days though I'm sure its going to be difficult to get anything at all from overseas and I'll be forced to buy 100% Australian everything.

I am concerned too about the Australian supplier being able to deliver because I doubt that they can provide a product without China/Asia either.

So I'm doomed if I do and doomed if I don't.

Plenty are the same position, catch22..

[Mr_G6ET]

Interesting read namely the cost of moving out of China. Products see an increase of 30% - 40% ... and the logistics of making it happen

https://titoma.com/blog/manufacturing-moving-out-china

https://titoma.com/blog/electronic-m...a-alternatives

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Interesting read namely the cost of moving out of China. Products see an increase of 30% - 40% ... and the logistics of making it happen

https://titoma.com/blog/manufacturing-moving-out-china

https://titoma.com/blog/electronic-m...a-alternatives

Saw a doco on ABC the other day on Australian wool manufacturing. We send our wool over to China for them to wash and clean, then it is sent back here, we make the stuff, then sell it and often back to China.

There were talks about bringing the washing process back to Australia. It will cost $20m per factory, money that your average wool farmer does not have. Then add the labour costs.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Saw a doco on ABC the other day on Australian wool manufacturing. We send our wool over to China for them to wash and clean, then it is sent back here, we make the stuff, then sell it and often back to China.

There were talks about bringing the washing process back to Australia. It will cost $20m per factory, money that your average wool farmer does not have. Then add the labour costs.

Think of he PR bonanza if Govco flipped the bills if the business case stood up.

In recent times $20m to bring long term jobs back doesnt seem like to much.

We really need to look at the sustainability of that example, and its EVERYWHERE, the double handling etc.

If we reviewed total costs cycles, product quality etc then alot of out global issue stem from manufacturing being pushed for low cost.

How about we just make better products, that offer a better margin and last longer and not pollute as much?

Just my opinion, but thats were Id like to see the world get too. Id pay 30-40% more if I was getting the equivalent life.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Think of he PR bonanza if Govco flipped the bills if the business case stood up.

In recent times $20m to bring long term jobs back doesnt seem like to much.

We really need to look at the sustainability of that example, and its EVERYWHERE, the double handling etc.

If we reviewed total costs cycles, product quality etc then alot of out global issue stem from manufacturing being pushed for low cost.

How about we just make better products, that offer a better margin and last longer and not pollute as much?

Just my opinion, but thats were Id like to see the world get too. Id pay 30-40% more if I was getting the equivalent life.

No one wants to pay for quality, they all complain about price, it's the first thing out of everyone's mouth because they can buy it on eBay cheaper.

90% of people calling me complain about pricing even though you can pick it up within 30 mins or have it tomorrow if you're in metro area in any capital cities in Australia.

Australian manufacturing future is low volume high quality but no one wants to pay the 'high quality' part.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

No one wants to pay for quality, they all complain about price, it's the first thing out of everyone's mouth because they can buy it on eBay cheaper.

90% of people calling me complain about pricing even though you can pick it up within 30 mins or have it tomorrow if you're in metro area in any capital cities in Australia.

Australian manufacturing future is low volume high quality but no one wants to pay the 'high quality' part.

But only because we have been conditioned like that.

I clearly remember as a kid of the 90's going to the family Christmas night and our then ZH Fairlane's boot was full to the brim of gifts. It was slightly out fo control (awesome as a kid). Therefore I blame my parents

Seriously though, it can change.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

No one wants to pay for quality, they all complain about price, it's the first thing out of everyone's mouth because they can buy it on eBay cheaper.
.

Don't know about that, there are plenty of people prepared to pay for quality.
If you think that way you end up supplying crap to the bottom of the market.
You might as well start a $2 shop and sell the junk.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Saw a doco on ABC the other day on Australian wool manufacturing. We send our wool over to China for them to wash and clean, then it is sent back here, we make the stuff, then sell it and often back to China.

There were talks about bringing the washing process back to Australia. It will cost $20m per factory, money that your average wool farmer does not have. Then add the labour costs.

This kind of example is where the FedGov should be looking into to support with grants etc to local companies/factories Industries instead of the copious amounts of $$'s wasted in other areas that are not giving back much or little ROI.
Its looking at the big picture that hasn't been done for a long time.
Yes "wages" here is the big killer, more so when talking manufacturing the influence that still occurs due to Unions.
The wool Industry is a good example that could/should come back here for you can see consumrs would pay more, even at Export whereas many other commodities/consumables just won't be worth the effort being Aussie Made.
Pick the "eyes" Industries that present a viable case back here would be a great start.

[T3rminator]

Agreed. Would have loved to see some of that $260b spent on the likes of what we are talking about here. Even 1% of that pool would help immensely.

But there is another problem. What if someone like NZ were to exploit the commercial advantages of using China? Then they sell the same wool products for 30% cheaper. We lose.

It would have been great to see how the region could have used the proposed TPP to influence the likes of China and restore balance. But guess who destroyed that idea......

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Agreed. Would have loved to see some of that $260b spent on the likes of what we are talking about here. Even 1% of that pool would help immensely.

But there is another problem. What if someone like NZ were to exploit the commercial advantages of using China? Then they sell the same wool products for 30% cheaper. We lose.

It would have been great to see how the region could have used the proposed TPP to influence the likes of China and restore balance. But guess who destroyed that idea......

We need to start promoting, talking and changing the culture of how we consume and it would take time.

But, IMO the younger generations are far more open to discussions about the environment, they/we need to be challenge in how we consume and live out lifes.

Huge subject, but you have to start somewhere, and it would mean one day more jobs at a lower level domestically which is what we need. Not everyone can work in IT.

For example, in our family we have made a conscious decision to get the kids just 1 decent birthday present and to move away from the model of lots of cheap crap that breaks after two weeks use. Ive also requested the same of other family members, we were also collecting to much rubbish and the kids were spoilt.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Saw a doco on ABC the other day on Australian wool manufacturing. We send our wool over to China for them to wash and clean, then it is sent back here, we make the stuff, then sell it and often back to China.

There were talks about bringing the washing process back to Australia. It will cost $20m per factory, money that your average wool farmer does not have. Then add the labour costs.

We had a fairly large (French owned) wool combing plant here which closed some years.

I read somewhere that China could scour wool for 28c a kilo, but here it cost $1.75.

All the while there is a cost difference like that Companies will always look for cheaper offshore alternatives.

But hey, we can still suck all the water from the Darling and the Murrumbidgee and grow the stuff.