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Old 20-01-2015, 08:19 AM   #811
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Many are dummy ads by dealers, there is often not a car there just a contract to sign with the same stories you read above.
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Many are dummy ads by dealers, there is often not a car there just a contract to sign with the same stories you read above.
This is correct. Look for the LMCT number right down the bottom of the add and it will tell you if its real or fake.
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Old 20-01-2015, 11:53 AM   #813
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You better put some pics up when you get her, I dont think there have been too many photos of the car in vanish.
Hardly any pics! There is one for sale on carsales at the moment in Vanish. I don't think the pics do a good job of showing the colour off at all:

http://www.carsales.com.au/demo/deta...17111469/?Cr=0



Also, lol @ dealers thinking they'll get away with selling the XR8 at anything like $75k+, nevermind $90k. That's not to say one or two won't sell at that price to people with more dollars than sense (and good on 'em!), but for that to become the de facto RRP won't happen.

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That's just wrong. I'd rather sell at RRP and have a happy customer who comes back and buys more cars from me!
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That's just wrong. I'd rather sell at RRP and have a happy customer who comes back and buys more cars from me!
This is how I see it too.

I paid $59,500 for my auto XR8 including 6 year warranty. Deposit paid in Sept 2014 and delivery December 2014. Seeing some of the prices being asked ranging from 60K plus at the moment, did I get a good deal?
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This is how I see it too.

I paid $59,500 for my auto XR8 including 6 year warranty. Deposit paid in Sept 2014 and delivery December 2014. Seeing some of the prices being asked ranging from 60K plus at the moment, did I get a good deal?
Yep that's a good deal..........an especially good deal in WA?

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I've had the car over a month and have had some time to ponder the price I paid. The old story is that you should never buy a new model directly (or before in my case) after release if you want a sharp price. But with the XR8 I don't think this is proving to be the case at the moment. At the moment I feel I got in before the hype of limited numbers and therefore inflation of prices.
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This is how I see it too.

I paid $59,500 for my auto XR8 including 6 year warranty. Deposit paid in Sept 2014 and delivery December 2014. Seeing some of the prices being asked ranging from 60K plus at the moment, did I get a good deal?
Great price. Any extras? I paid 61605 (dec 4 after release) - tint, floor mats, dash mat, steering wheel cover and boot protector. Stamp duty and rego of course. I reckon that was a super deal considering at that time WA dealers were already gouging - had been quoted 68-75k.

On a side note;
I live in Kalbarri WA- seaside town where there is always a salt mist hanging over the town. Would you guys consider an electronic anti-corrosive system? CAT one I am looking at is $600 for four pads. The BA I currently have has no rust (except superficial on the tow ball) and has resided here for the last 5 years. Dad says the metals these days are much more resistant to rust and just wash it often. Thoughts.
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Old 20-01-2015, 07:04 PM   #819
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This is how I see it too.

I paid $59,500 for my auto XR8 including 6 year warranty. Deposit paid in Sept 2014 and delivery December 2014. Seeing some of the prices being asked ranging from 60K plus at the moment, did I get a good deal?
Excellent price, the closest i could get was 62k. My only concern would be the resale considering its technically a year old. Not a factor if you're keeping it long term.
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Saw you posted about Port Adelaide dealer & Maylands is an Adelaide suburb but now believe you're in WA.
I tried to purchase my FGF6 thru a salesman named Pash in an Adelaide dealership. Stillwel I believe. Got sick of constant BS & purchased thru MTM in Cheltenham.
Good luck to you Troy. You may need it.
You are on the money I'm in WA. The bloke at Port Adelaide Ford was fantastic...he was honest and gave me great advice. The franchise you mention were the ones pumping themselves up...guaranteeing this and that and telling me they are the biggest dealer in Adelaide and will get 4 million xr8's just put a deposit down and I can have his last one. Me and Port Adelaide dealer had a good laugh he knew it was them straight away...and he guessed the dealer feeding me the info.

Never knew there was a Maylands in Adelaide. Is it a new burb and where abouts? Don't say Maylands
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Great price. Any extras? I paid 61605 (dec 4 after release) - tint, floor mats, dash mat, steering wheel cover and boot protector. Stamp duty and rego of course. I reckon that was a super deal considering at that time WA dealers were already gouging - had been quoted 68-75k.

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I live in Kalbarri WA- seaside town where there is always a salt mist hanging over the town. Would you guys consider an electronic anti-corrosive system? CAT one I am looking at is $600 for four pads. The BA I currently have has no rust (except superficial on the tow ball) and has resided here for the last 5 years. Dad says the metals these days are much more resistant to rust and just wash it often. Thoughts.
I did a cathodic protection course a while back and the topic of electronic protection for vehicles came up. The guy running the course said don't waste your money. Technically for the process to work it needs to be in solution.

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Old 20-01-2015, 08:58 PM   #822
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This is how I see it too.

I paid $59,500 for my auto XR8 including 6 year warranty. Deposit paid in Sept 2014 and delivery December 2014. Seeing some of the prices being asked ranging from 60K plus at the moment, did I get a good deal?
Hey mate, how much was/is the extended warranty?
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Hey mate, how much was/is the extended warranty?
Have no idea. I only found out that I had a (limited) extended Warranty during the delivery process. Not a like-for-like warranty but it covers major items including engine/gearbox.

Only things thrown in were full tank (didn't last long ) and mats (which I haven't received yet because Ford haven't supplied dealers with them yet). Organised tint elsewhere to avoid paying extra stamp duty.
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Have no idea. I only found out that I had a (limited) extended Warranty during the delivery process. Not a like-for-like warranty but it covers major items including engine/gearbox.

Only things thrown in were full tank (didn't last long ) and mats (which I haven't received yet because Ford haven't supplied dealers with them yet). Organised tint elsewhere to avoid paying extra stamp duty.
6 year power train warranty sounds alright still, that is unless your gonna do major work n void it lol

In most cases (not mine) with falcons the power train has always been strong and reliable if serviced/maintained correctly, can't see u having major issues. It's the bumper to bumper stuff that let's it down sometimes, the little things.

In my FG F6 went through about 4 gear stick rubbers, few taillights due to moisture, ambient air temp sensor, drivers seat due to squeaking internally around corners, A/C mixer shaft (10000kms no A/C in summer n dealership wasn't to interested in fixing it). The biggest failure of them all was engine failure with less than 1000kms on the clock.

In saying that I didn't even think twice about placing an order for a FGX XR8 but that dealer defo didn't get the sale.
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I totally understand Ford and its dealers moving lockstep with pricing for the XR8 with a no discounting strategy..........but with pricing like that they will not move stock, pure and simple.

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Agree Mick

As long as Ford are committed to building the 1200 XR8's.

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I totally understand Ford and its dealers moving lockstep with pricing for the XR8 with a no discounting strategy..........but with pricing like that they will not move stock, pure and simple.

Cheers Mick
Personally, if I was handing over 70+k I'd be getting a low km GT-Rspec manual in either white or red.
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Personally, if I was handing over 70+k I'd be getting a low km GT-Rspec manual in either white or red.
Definitely plenty of options out there at those prices.
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Personally, if I was handing over 70+k I'd be getting a low km GT-Rspec manual in either white or red.

Yeah that's the reality of it for many buyers............who knows it might even give some of the second hand 335 FPV cars that are going stale for sale atm a bit of a kick start ...funny thing is it kind of reminds me of some of the action I saw in car yards that specialised in high performance cars here in Perth when the XB GT was discontinued, they too actually held there value for a couple of years. "The Old Bull Always Sits Back and Waits".

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As long as Ford are committed to building the 1200 XR8's.

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I think they are...........

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Organised tint elsewhere to avoid paying extra stamp duty.
I could be wrong but you only pay stamp duty on the sale price of the motor vehicle. 54690 and I pay 3554.85 stamp duty. Did you pay the same as that?
Either way you still got a good deal.

I know I have been saying it because it has been said to me but, however unlikely, with all this demand maybe ford's eyes will light up and they will get some more out.
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Personally, if I was handing over 70+k I'd be getting a low km GT-Rspec manual in either white or red.
Personally for 70k I'd import some pro touring murican muscle and not lose a cent when I need to sell at any time in the future... (Yes i realise it's not that easy, ain't my first rodeo)

I mean, nah you should buy an XR8...

But anything above RRP is Jewish as ****.
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6 year power train warranty sounds alright still, that is unless your gonna do major work n void it lol

In most cases (not mine) with falcons the power train has always been strong and reliable if serviced/maintained correctly, can't see u having major issues. It's the bumper to bumper stuff that let's it down sometimes, the little things.

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In saying that I didn't even think twice about placing an order for a FGX XR8 but that dealer defo didn't get the sale.
I have had niggling problems with all of my Falcons too, but like you, didn't think twice. We have time into the future to buy other cars but not much longer to buy new Falcons, let alone great value V8 sedans.
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S.V built my donk how many hand made engine builders do ford have on this project .who built your motor & thank you S.V .this car is no old nova or camaro it's a FO.MO.CO product grab 1 if you can the last australian blue blood tuff car.

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[QUOTE=Vanish335;5312203]S.V built my donk how many hand made engine builders do ford have on this project .who built your motor & thank you S.V .this car is no old nova or camaro it's a FO.MO.CO product grab 1 if you can the last australian blue blood tuff car.

Mine was built by D.W whom I am advised are the initials for David Winter. Totally agree about extending our thanks to our engine builders. Bloody brilliant work!

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S.V built my donk how many hand made engine builders do ford have on this project .who built your motor & thank you S.V .this car is no old nova or camaro it's a FO.MO.CO product grab 1 if you can the last australian blue blood tuff car.
I think you missed the first word in my post.
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Mine was built by DW too.
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We still have our Kinectic Blue Auto XR8 for sale.
http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/det.../?Cr=0&sdmvc=1


And for everyone out there just because you put a deposit on a manual it does not mean you will get one. The dealer can only do what they can do and from what I can see is that there will be a lot of people who ordered a manual that will not get one
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We still have our Kinectic Blue Auto XR8 for sale.
http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/det.../?Cr=0&sdmvc=1


And for everyone out there just because you put a deposit on a manual it does not mean you will get one. The dealer can only do what they can do and from what I can see is that there will be a lot of people who ordered a manual that will not get one
Really interesting......my dealers info is that all this hype on availability and transmissions is BS. They have 20 allocations and apparently 110% guarantee my deposit has secured what I want. Cheers Chris.

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Ask full RRP and drop the premium which will bring it to under 60 and I'm sure it will sell

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