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There's a part of my bus route that starts on a hill and winds down through a rather opulent part of my suburb that smacks of solar panels in multiples of which I could never afford - some of these rooves are literally covered in solar panels and solar hot water. All I can think is "good on ya" - they're living the dream! Cheers!
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I'm seriously looking at this again. Solar cells are becoming more affordable and there are some decent 3-phase inverters out now from Aurora and SMA.
Basically the plan is to have a big enough system to run the aircons during the day without drawing from the grid, then run the pump & bore at night on “smart power” or “power shift.” I was wondering what panels people have gone with? I have always just assumed that European cells would be better quality, but I'm nolonger sure where some are made? Such as Q.Cells? Are they still made in Germany, or just coming from Hanwha? Sunpower seem to have the best performance guarantee… And what about inverters? People generally speak highly of Aurora? I think Fronius should also be good? And even though “sunny boy”s sound cheap, they’re made by SMA and should be decent? I don’t see much benefit in earning the 8.9 cents for feeding back, but even on a straight tariff I’ll be saving 25c by providing my own. If I move to one of the time based tariffs, it will be cheaper at night and I’ll save around 45c in peak times. |
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im using ameri 250w panels and a jfy inverter supplied by eurosolar all good so far.im in credit and these products have good warrantee. mines 4kw cost $7000 at the time much cheaper now.im in sa
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sma are a good inverter but the Enasolar (website) offerings are better as well as being cheaper to install and you can get extended warranty coverage
stick to your tier 1 panels - mono are all good as are some of the poly's panasonic/sharp, mitsubishi, renesola, lg etc you guys are lucky in oz - a 4kW system here in nz would be closer to 10-12k
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That makes my 3.5 kw system around $18,000 at that time. Not counting modifications I had to do to the shed purlins. However have not paid a bill since install and well into credit, I give it another 2 years and it will have paid for itself.
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I am not saying it isn't "worth" it because it entirely IS "worth" it - just saying Australia has a better rebate & FIT system, New Zealand has nothing apart from a miserly $0.08 FIT As long as you get your economic payback prior to expiry of warranties then you are well and truly ahead
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I think in the near future, some places it is already here, we will see zero F.I.T., in fact we solar producers will be smacked around the wallet with a "line usage".
Or so I've heard on the gripevine. Whether or not it is deemed to be worthwhile is in the hands of the individual, all information must be weighed up before a decision can be made.
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When the FIT end in whatever year depending on state etc what will happen the electricity fed back into the system free of charge? Will we all be calling up our electrician to disconnect x number of panels?
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Most states in Australia have a similar buy back.
Victoria is currently 8 cents FIT and NSW is even lower.. If you shop around you will find some better deals, i am using Click energy and they are paying me 18 cents FIT, still pretty miserable but 10 cents over what the Qld gov is paying.. Cheers Ed |
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When in doubt, GAS IT!!
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In SA it's 9c FIT . The govt. rebate of 16c ended in September 13. I'm on 25c FIT till 2016 when the rebate ends for me. And unless the suppliers up the price they'll pay to at least what they pay each other when they buy power then at that time we'll be looking into going off grid completely with batteries and supplementing the solar with wind turbines.
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The 8.9 cents FIT is a TOTAL RIP-OFF.
In WA, metering and "supply" is handled by Western Power. They connect you up and maintain the infrastructure. I have to pay them for the new meter, we pay them a supply charge, and they ultimately approve the feed in system. In Perth (& SouthWest WA) our provider is Synergy. Businesses over a certain size can choose a different provider, but residential consumers are stuck with Synergy. They slashed the FIT on the gronds that they are only required to reimburse the COST of the power to them. They claim the other 75% of the price is "overheads." Keep in mind that they don't actually distribute the power, what they mean by "overheads" is administration. Problem was, under the contracts set up when the system was corporatised, Verve Energy (who do most of the generating) went bankrupt, meaning that they couldn't make a quid at 8c cents a kwh. The government's great solution? Re-merging Verve & Synergy. So synergy now gets to set its own wholesale price, and can effectively cover-up the fact that it is too low. |
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I received a letter from Origin (our electricity provider) to say that our FIT is being reduced by 2.2c/kWh, down to 23.6c/kWh. This is effective 13th Jan.
Thank you essential services commission of south Australia for lowering the minimum feed in tariff. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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try agl no reduction yet + discount on what you buy
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its a mystery why solar isn't encouraged rather than penalised. from the very start, they should have taken the dollar value out of the equation and had a unit for unit type rebate. for every kw/h you pump in to the grid, you get a kw/h free. |
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It wouldn't be because State Governments get a large percentage of the energy income though would it ?
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why is it that every scheme with some sort of govt rebate attached ends up going pear shaped?? lpg, rain water tanks, insulation, solar...... |
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Give them time...
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Because usually they are too busy pushing their other loopy left-wing agendas. They actually don't like schemes that benefit capitalist pigs who own private property.
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hey Joe we will have a beer and i can tell you all about my solar is it worth it ..the million $ question??? for me i don't believe it is because of our crap WA synergy buy back of 8.8c for every unit you export back to them , then they sell it back to you at full price eg look at my last bill i posted on here exported 861units = a whole $76.22 credit i used 251units total bill = $15.15 ![]() 251units = $59.11 the supply charge is $23.96 haha nearly cost more for that than what i used ![]() bloody crap ![]() i have worked it out and it will take me approx 7 years to pay for the system and by that time solar technology would have come along way you being that the mrs will be home with the little fella it maybe worth getting it as thats when you save now (during the day you use the power you make instead of exporting it) but if its me i would just get the biggest system we can get (5kw) and put that on, over kill yes but hey cover you usuage and export some to get as much of that 8.8c we get back for every unit its such a rort .. think of all those houses out there with solar exporting back into the grid and synergy only paying 8.8c for it and then selling the power that didnt cost them anything to produce back to us for at 23c unit making a good profit but the state gov still saying they need to raise the price of power even though they are making a killing
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When in doubt, GAS IT!!
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It's getting to the point where it's better to invest in a stand alone system with batteries, and run a generator for those times when you get extended overcast periods. Either that or supplement the solar with wind turbines.
I reckon a 5kw system with a couple of 1kw wind turbines and battery storage for say 48hrs worth of power, will be enough to keep the average household going indefinitely as long as you're not stupid and use high drawing item all the time like bar heaters and clothes dryers. A well insulated and energy efficient home should ***** it in. In our house, were gearing ourselves towards that end. LED lighting, plenty of skylights and light tubes, the most energy efficient appliances we can get as they need updating etc.. Next on the list is solar hot water then a decent modern combustion heater for winter. For heavy power draw items that are used periodically and for worst case scenario events I'll be getting a small gen set, maybe 3kw max. Bushbasher
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The reason nobody does this, is the massive space taken up by the batteries. It is also a $30,000 plus cost, with the batteries needed replacing about every 5 years. It is not worth it. |
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I met a bloke in the middle of Adelaide who was off grid and he was using reconditioned electric forklift batteries as storage. He was running 3 of them and had one as a back up in the rotation so periodically he could get them reconditioned. It was much cheaper and took up a lot less space than a big a$$ bank of deep cycle batteries in racks that take up an entire room.
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A decent standalone system is down to the low $20s now!
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a decent system can be done for less than that.
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Latest bill $25 credit pretty good for North QLD pool use was up due to needing chlorinator cell replaced . Next bill wont be as good with the heat and air conditioning use
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