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And getting on more EVs will see us remove this dependency. I didn't want to bring EVs into this discussion cause it always ends badly. @Bossxr8, are these fuel prices enough to get Ford Aus to fast track a Ranger Lightning? Though, looking at Hilux hitting almost 8000 sales for a month with Ranger ramping, it seems the high fuel prices aren't hurting this segment all that much.
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Not many servos around Melbourne below 91 @$2.39 anymore.
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But who knows at this point, it could go either way. They must have some sort of strategy on how they are going to balance it, keeping profits up but without cutting themselves off at the knees. But it's not just transport that uses oil, it's used in so many other things that it's still going to be needed for a very long time to come. |
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I reckon you're on the money about a Ranger Lightning, perfect storm at the moment to push a business case for it but the problem is how slow the whole corporate juggernaut responds to market shifts and opportunities that open and close. By the time the conversation happens in the board room for the people who call the shots where the money gets spent, it'll probably be 18-24 months time from fuel prices being $2.40/L for 91. |
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You have heavy transport, machinery and aviation with no practical solutions. We still have a vey long way to go before EV's is the norm. |
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Hydrogen is a bit of a joke for cars but it makes sense for applications where you can't have huge battery banks like commercial vehicles where the more the vehicle weighs the less **** you can carry with it.
At least as a hold over until battery technology gets its **** together and has better energy density. |
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I'm waiting for a Ranger Lightning or F150 lightning. Just can't make a case for the others. Not the the cost of fuel is a big problem for me (I've been lucky in life) but I actually really enjoy the drive of EVs over ICE (though I still love my Manual V8s)! Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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Auckland NZ has electric buses and is ramping up to 150+
From China state owned coy BRRC imported completely built up... no kiwi built body/seats/fittings etc I travelled on 3 ... smoother quieter faster than a diesel. Watch out MAN VOLVO MB .... the chinese are going to eat your lunch. |
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Anyway, turns out he used to work for Ford (actually worked with my cousin in the engineering department, and they still stay in touch even though my cous now lives and works in WA). This guy now works for H2X doing design work for converting buses to run on Hydrogen. He couldn't go into detail, but I do wonder as to why he/they are basing themselves in Sale. Seems like a strange place to be basing your design office. Especially given Sale is not a big place and doesn't have a large bus fleet. Assume it must be state government related. So, yes there seems to be a lot of work associated with converting the public transport system to run on hydrogen, atm.
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Given the rate of hydrogen plants being announced it seems like a fairly logical next step.
The process will be endless until we work out teleportation...LOL
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When you actually drive one (A Tesla Model 3 for me) you realise that they are amazing vehicles with awesome tech, are super reliable and cheap to run. People need to take EV's for what they are, not what they "think" they are. I wanted to hate the Tesla so much, I was always an EV hater, then I drove one and if I was in the financial position, I would buy one in a heartbeat. I also still love my manual V8's but im not so one eyed that I don't appreciate a good car when I drive one. It's the way of the future and as soon as people get their heads around that, the easier the transition will be.
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On the official figures you'd have to drive 50,000 km to pay for itself. Which isn't too bad. They simply don't have the efficiency of plug in hybrids, which in most cases can do 70-80km on electric power alone. But they are significantly more expensive than basic hybrid systems like Toyota use here. I'm pretty sure they offer full PHEV overseas, but I don't recall them bringing them here. Seems like most plug ins cost around an extra 10k, whereas the hybrid option on the Rav4 is around 2k. The cost benefit of a PHEV depends entirely on how much you drive it between recharges. If you did less than the EV range everyday you could technically never use the ICE engine. But if you drive hundreds of k's a day and never charge it, it would cost a lot more to run. The interesting thing i'm seeing now is the soaring price of metals like Lithium, which EV's use a lot of. They have been telling us for the past few years that EV's will become affordable, but it seems to be a lot of them have actually increased price now because of soaring material prices. But then again, all cars are heading that way. Will they ever become truly affordable? Will we ever see a 25k drive away EV? I read something recently about the Mach E. Initially it was cost neutral for Ford to sell them. Now with the soaring price of precious metals, they are now selling for a loss. I think Ford will just accept the losses on them though, at least for a while. Funny how it's the profits of ICE's keeping EV's afloat at the majors. |
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Speaking to taxi owners and hiring a camry hybrid they still use a bit of fuel to the point that a good TDi or 4 pot would not be far off without the battery issue sin 7-10 years time. Quote:
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WTI ($97) and Brent ($99) under $100. But pump prices really hitting its strides now.
I don't fully understand how all these "future" contracts work and how it affects current pump prices, but what
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The money I save on fuel I put towards upgrades to the Mustang.
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EVs are helping the ICE keep going as well. 34 minute mark of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid...ature=youtu.be
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