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There seems to be a LOT of coincidences lately.
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I am in my 50's and have never seen so many people younger than myself drop dead with no explanation. The one I mentions are only the ones I know personally. I also know several work clients who are having major issues, fatigue, joint pain, chest pains etc that only started after the vaccine. Could they all be coincidences? Why the 40% increase in deaths between 30 and 50? What is causing it, some 'experts' are suggesting climate change. Can climate change really kill people in that age group?
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Having worked in that area in the past and dealt with such issues pre pandemic generally it will say 'lifestyle related'. Unless the person is under 40 or there are suspicious circumstances, such as a bullet hole no further investigation takes place.
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I can see a lot of inconsistencies in what is happening and that is a worry in my mind. Went on a plane flight a few weeks back. We were forced to wear masks at the airport, social distancing was enforced by airport security, even when queuing to get on the pane. As soon as we got on the plane I was surrounded by 8 strangers within my 1.5 metre personal space, we were crammed in like sardines. No one was wearing masks, everyone was happily eating and drinking till we landed three hours later. Then masks went back on till we left the airport ![]() Makes no sense what so ever.
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This pretty much sums it up.
The goal posts keep moving along with time. Every country (and even state) have their own measures and definitions around what is vaccinated/up to date; or what is not. Statistics have been used to demonstrate/support a given viewpoint, however are limited when you really want to dig deeper. Any requests for further information just gets one labelled an antiV and thrown in the can. Been a very strange couple years. And also with correlation vs causation.. you frequently hear the opposite argument thrown forward.. 'imagine how much worse C19 would have been if I wasn't vaccinated'. Maybe it would be, maybe it wouldn't. |
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Anyone with two shots is now considered unvaccinated in most places anyway, and it seems the last few days they are pushing for a fourth shot. Surly people can not just keep getting shots for all eternity. Anyway time will tell I guess, it will be interesting to see what the future holds.
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So what is the real reason for the scam?
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Chaver, I’m tipping either QAnon or the “stolen election”. If we’re picking a trifecta I’ll say Big Pharma.
(I remain unimpressed at what I consider a frequently overreaching and heavy-handed response, but don’t believe in a conspiracy.) |
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NSW records 13,343 cases for a 10-day average growth rate of 1.0758 (1.0807) and the actual line remains just below the predictive trend line. ![]() VIC records 10,265 cases for a 10 day average growth of 1.0693 (1.0754) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend. ![]() Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st. ![]() NZ hasn't reported as yet.
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 5th 2022.
43,457 new cases for Australia and 45 deaths so the CMR is 0.122% (-). NZ didn’t report for a CMR of 0.0112% (-). The UK reported 142,930 cases and 301 deaths (over 5 days) for a CMR of 0.790% (ê). 148,797 new cases in the USA yesterday and 588 deaths sees CMR at 1.163 (ê). Other notable points: (weekend reporting) Global cases pass 557M; Oceania passes 10M cases; Europe passes 206M cases; Asia passes 162M cases; Italy passes 19M cases; The Isle of Man (535)...recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. Mauritania moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and Portugal drops below.
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...and every Company
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Hahahahaha... It's not often you see such a response from the big boss.
Now, I'm not picking or making light. Just interesting that over 2 years down the track how great the divide in opinions and perspective continue to be. Quote:
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I've had a few discussions, some rather heated, that were mind boggling. I've been told that the states did a great job locking out their residents when they closed the borders. They had zero care that these people fell into financial, mental and emotional holes. Zero care they faced foreclosure or eviction while being stuck in tents for months. Most people would be aware of the Ballina lady who lost one of her unborn twins because Qld refused her entry to the Gold Coast Hospital. One person told me they were perfectly fine with the death because she was too much of a risk to bring into the state. They also said it was NSW Health's fault for not servicing her needs better and quicker. To an extent I do agree there, but when you have a suitable hospital less than an hour away there should be no question of what needs to happen. There was also the case of the WA girl with mental health issues who committed suicide because WA government kept denying her entry back to her parents. When her parents went to collect her body and personal belongings they also denied them return travel across the border. My sister tells me alot of her friends and acquaintances are angry that McClown opened the border. Now they dont live normal lives anymore because they are covid scared apparently. But... Ask these same people what their stance would be if it was them or their families that were directly affected by the above and they refuse to answer. It's like they are struck down mute and dumb. One person's heavy handed is another's just right and another's not enough. One thing covid has bought us is a hypersensitivity that will probably never go away. |
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It looks like the current 'wave' is putting more pressure on to what was already a strained healthcare system. More calls for mandatory mask wearing in public locations.
Australia’s Covid hospital admissions at highest level since summer Covid hospital admissions have reached their highest level since early February when Australia’s health system faced great pressure at the end of the first Omicron wave. The surge has prompted calls from leading epidemiologists and the Australian Medical Association (AMA) for stronger mask mandates, with concerns there are double the number of infections silently spreading through the community than official figures suggest. The national total of hospital admissions reached 3,781 on Wednesday, up from 3,740 on Tuesday and 3,511 on Monday – the highest numbers have been since 8 February. The nation is recording on average 33,000 cases each day. The fresh wave of Covid cases and the spike in hospital admissions is being driven by the highly transmissible BA.4 and BA.5 variants of Omicron, which are more infectious and adept at evading immunity. Prof Catherine Bennett, chair of epidemiology at Deakin University, said there are likely double the recorded cases in the community. “The reported cases are half of the numbers out there,” Bennett said. “Some people will know and isolate, some will guess and not isolate, and some will not know.” Bennett said in Victoria, where Covid has been recorded in 40% of the wastewater, the state might be halfway to the peak – which should end in late July or early August. “This is like a deep wave with multiple surges in it,’” she said. “I think if you look back at BA.1, we peaked dramatically high, we came up and down. With BA.2 we were going into autumn/winter – then it pushed up and down again. “But with BA.4/BA.5, it doesn’t drop away, which means the wave doesn’t look as dramatic.” She said people should get their third and fourth doses, in line with Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (Atagi) advice. “If your booster can reduce the likelihood of infection for up to a couple of months, why wouldn’t you do it?” It comes amid reports the fourth dose of coronavirus vaccine will be made available to anyone over the age of 30. Currently, the fourth dose vaccine is only available to people aged 65 and over, or those suffering conditions placing them at higher risk of severe Covid. The winter wave is putting increasing pressure on the nation’s hospitals, the University of South Australia professor of biostatistics Adrian Esterman said. “We are seeing a very steep increase in case numbers,” Esterman said. “Should we be worried? Yes, because the health system is under enormous pressure right now. “The problem at the moment is in every state and territory the hospital systems are struggling,” he said. “There’s the usual problem with bed blockages. They can’t get people out of acute care, or from ED to acute care, or from the ambulance to ED – so a lot of capital cities have ambulance ramping.” The AMA’s vice-president, Chris Moy, said in terms of crowding this is the worst he had ever seen it. “It’s pretty desperate. They are as full as they ever have been,” Moy said. “Everybody telling me it’s horrific. It’s winter, and there’s the flu, but they’re also seeing a lot of mental health patients at the moment. Covid is adding an extra layer.” The increased pressure on the health system has sparked debate about whether broader mask mandates should return, with discussions taking place in SA, Queensland and the ACT. This week Queensland’s chief health officer, John Gerrard, told 4BC the mask mandate was being discussed with counterparts in other states, but the premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk ruled it out. In New South Wales the chief health officer, Kerry Chant, urged people to consider wearing masks in enclosed spaces. Both Moy and Esterman said if cases continue on the same trajectory, a mask mandate should be implemented. “I can see a stage in the next weeks where the hospital system is under so much pressure they might have to reintroduce mask mandates,” Esterman said. “We’re seeing an increasing number of cases diagnosed, and that will inevitably lead to more people being hospitalised. “We are definitely seeing a third Omicron wave caused by BA.5 variant, and that’s only just started, so things will get worse before they get better.”
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However, I'd have to disagree on the scam claim. I don't believe covid is a scam, it has killed a few people I know who might otherwise be alive today. The origin and handling of it is a separate debate. Covid vaccine efficacy is not a scam, because it does what it was designed to do. The issue for me is the lack of transparency on the downside effects. I know quite a few people who have lingering side effects, most of whom did not admit they had it until they heard someone else had it. A couple of my dad's friends are still waking up in the middle of the night due to "heart awareness". In other news, my BIL, sis, nephew and niece arrived from the US a few days ago and are staying with us. All tested after they got off the plane, all negative. BIL started feeling unwell the day after, and has been quite bad the last couple of days. Tested again and got a positive result, literally just 15 mins ago. Everyone else is feeling fine. They have been wearing masks every time they have gone out. Everyone one here has had their 3 doses, except me, I've had my 2. See you fellas on the other side....
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But the Flu shot normally isn't mandatory....that's the difference.
I've had more COVID shots in the last couple of Years than I've had Flu Shots in a lifetime.
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yer I'm in that boat, probably alot are but I'm not complaining more so nothing has effected me.
I have qrtrly blood tests doesn't me for eg whereas some people freak out all the time. Same with all these symptoms being reported - everyone is diff thats life sorry those people are going through it...... Way of life in some ways - some always have probs, has the vax brought that out quicker ? did it do this and that ? buggered if I know and I don't think quacks can explain it all as well. They have been culpable many times prior to covid diagnising people symptoms right ? So some are convinced its covid and the vax, ok your perogative and visa versa. Is pharma and Gov out to reduce the world pop maybe ? Mad world it is. Best medicine my suggestion you may ask ? keep off SM ![]() Thats the worst plague of the centuries lol ![]() You can see some here live by it like my young adult kids.
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Where is the specific data that identifies what unvaxxed is? Is it a person who has had a single dose, had an adverse event, and then decided not to get another? Is it a homeless person who cares less about covid and more about their 'next shot'? I don't dispute the statistics available that show unvaccinated are more likely to present with severe symptoms. I question who this demographic is, and what they look like, as the majority of healthy people I know (vaccinated or not, by any standard) have experienced similar outcomes. No two bodies are the same. Some people die eating peanuts. Should all be banned from eating them? Should we acknowledge that peanuts pose a threat to some? Schools have banned em, adults are allowed to choose. People proceed with caution. That is what informed consent is. Even though statistically the odds of having an adverse reaction to nuts is slim, we don't make everyone eat nuts in the name of health.. and they are pretty healthy in moderation too. Last edited by KobiXR6T; 07-07-2022 at 07:43 PM. |
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35 percent of deaths are those with zero shots. They only represent less than 5 percent of the population. Not sure what more proof people need.
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I mean, ultimately no one wants to die. But people were convinced that if someone wasn't vaccinated they would be stealing the bed of someone more deserving. I'm sure we can agree almost everyone has been concerned, and almost everyone wants a good outcome. What covid has highlighted is a lack of respect and understanding of others perspective.. Such is our society I guess. |
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Did they die with covid or from covid big difference? How do you know big pharma aren't fudging the numbers to increase profits? The government want you scared so you comply. Or are you correct and vaccines save lives? ![]()
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We have a friend who sits on the extreme anti-vax side. She once said Facebook was the most evil corrupt thing ever devised and put out for public consumption and would never have a bar of it. But all of her info comes from Facebook. Cant get enough of it. Couple of my favourites... She watched a video where a "nurse" said all health professionals registered with AHPRA received a letter saying if they negatively spoke about the vaccine they would be immediately sacked and struck off the register never to return. I asked her to show me a copy of the letter. She looked at me like I ran over her dog. "Its commercial in confidence so they cant show anyone" I'm told. "Then why can they talk about it?" I asked. I asked if she contacted X, Y or Z to confirm. X,Y and Z being any one of 5 high level nurses she has personally known for 35 to 40 years. Nurses who run wards, run operating theatres, trainers, one even runs a small hopital. These are smart extremely competent ladies. She said she never did because she didn't trust them. I asked why? "Because they have been bought and paid for. They cant be trusted". So much for 40 years of friendship. The other was that the inventor of the PCR test came out in mid to late 2020 and said it couldn't detect covid and every positive test was a farce. I told her the inventor died about 6 months before anyone heard of covid, a year or more before he "came out at great personal and professional risk". She didn't believe me, she said he told everyone. When I proved he did she said he must have wrote it all down ready for release later after he died. Doctor and Psychic. I then reminded her the PCR test is the basis of everything DNA and genetics for nearly 30 years. It is the basic of forensics, disease identification, paternity, etc, etc. She said they are OK, it just doesn't work with covid. She has nearly 400 "followers" on her FB, all of them give thumbs up and right ons everytime she posts something. She refers to all of her old friends, our group of over 40 years, as morons, stupid and slow because "we just don't get it". You can't respect or understand that perspective. It's just not possible. Any I never thought I'd ever hear in my lifetime anyone say they were fine letting a baby die and believed letting it die was the right thing to do. Not when there was immediate help at hand. People like that just aren't human. Unfortunately so... Last edited by arm79; 07-07-2022 at 09:58 PM. |
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Pleased to see the walking figurehead of UK Covid hypocrisy has just taken a powder. Their coterie’s behaviour during the strictest times of the UK’s lockdown was a brutal affront to all who complied and those suffering - including the pitiable scene of HRH sitting alone at her husband’s funeral. No discretion, no empathy, no modesty; no loss to the nation now.
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No shots, still alive.
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Never had a flu shot in my life, why would I mess with my immune system like that?
I have not had as much as a cold or sniffle in the past five years. It makes no sense to me to be injecting stuff into my body for a simple flu.
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The average age of Covid death in Australia is the same as average life expectancy. Coincidence?
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So anyone that does not agree with your exact point of view is a troll??
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Simply saying 'science has proven', does not make it so. How do we actually know without having a control group of equal size? The whole scientific model is based on asking questions, however when people ask questions in relation to covid or vaccines they are immediately labeled. Which you have proven above. Quote:
What exactly is my agenda? I did not know I had an agenda. How do you know this deeply personal stuff about me? Or are these simply labels you have put on me because I dared to ask a clarifying question rather than just drinking the cool aid? Quote:
I have never had a flu shot in my life and I am not planning to ever have one, last time I had a flu or even a sniffle was probably 4 or 5 years ago, possibly longer. I mainly eat healthy organic foods, exercise and maintain a healthy body and immune system, I do that instead of injecting my body with experimental drugs on a regular basis. So far my body has treated me well over the years. The only agenda I have is to live a long healthy life.....and so far so good, doing better that most people my age. ![]()
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