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All you need to do is buy an E3 HSV GTS with the big brake package, go and get the diff gears shot-peened, and then stick a crate LS7 in. Everything besides the actual motor and the diff gears made it into the next model HSV.
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Just like you can make a Phase 3 GTHO by adding bits to a XY Falcon 500 6 cylinder column shift auto bench seat ex taxi.......... |
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It is like saying why did Ford bother bringing in a Coyote and supercharging it when the F6 they had already had developed cheaply and was a proven product just as fast as the Coyote; but used less fuel and with proven reliability...
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Trev (FPV FG II GT-E thus the fully loaded burger with the lot as standard +Alpine/Dynamat fitout - 2 of only 4 ever made GT-E factory 9" rear rims - Michelin Pilot Supersports - Shockworks Suspension) Last edited by mcnews; 18-08-2012 at 01:51 PM. |
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Lets see $82,900 RRP GTS $25 000 For a LS7 $2-3000 for the dry sump setup $2000 for the interior $600 for the OTR $4000 for a Bi modal Exhaust $3000 for a W427 bumper $1000 Suspention Emissions testing and engineering...say $2000. Still $123 900, and you'll need someone to install it all, so add another $10 000 at least...$133 900...Im sure there are a few things forgotten aswell. And you still don't have the uniqueness of the factory car, nor the warranty, nor the HSV servicing... So, yeah...just chuck a LS7....it will be ok. ![]()
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Personally, there is no original Australian car that can hold a candle to the W427 as a total package, nothing remotely close. It is the best thing on four wheels ever built in this country from a major manufacturer.
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![]() Have a bit of a think about that price list mate, and get back to me with where you think you went wrong. ![]()
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all the counter productive chest beating and sooking/arrogance really mean nothing. pure and simple no mainstream manufacturer in australia has yet produced anything that comes close to being as a total complete package. you can make what you want with aftermarket bits, but it will never be the real thing. |
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Does a 426 HEMI ROAD RUNNER DAYTONA have problems with transport??????? I dont think so.All relates to year of manufacture of vechile The car is factory........... ![]() CUSTOM BUILT SPECIALLY CONSTRUCTED VECHILE. No problems at all. Car is engineered has transport tag. And cat convertors TO KEEP THEM GREEN PUSSIES HAPPY I wasnt built when euro 4 emissions were a requirement. The engine has a volumetric efficency of 98%.
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Since its very doubtful whether the W427 corners and brakes better than the upgraded brake packaged standard GTS (brakes are the same, as is suspension) then the argument goes back to whether just the motor upgrade is worth the premium.
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And how many laps did those last before the power steering pump spewed its fluid, and or the gearbox or diff broke without the coolers the W427 had...
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. While it's fine to live in the past and revel in cars of a bygone era but this thread is about modern cars and in particular, large capacity W427 versus another contemporary, the GT Falcon, so maybe we can keep to the topic at hand and stop straying down memory lane.... Last edited by jpd80; 18-08-2012 at 03:04 PM. |
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Copy and paste the whole post.Or read the whole post Here it is again for you. The car is factory........... ![]() CUSTOM BUILT SPECIALLY CONSTRUCTED VECHILE. No problems at all. Car is engineered has transport tag. And cat convertors TO KEEP THEM GREEN PUSSIES HAPPY I wasnt built when euro 4 emissions were a requirement. The engine has a volumetric efficency of 98%. The topic does say HIGH POWERED V8. Chill out bro
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Edit--> I see you mentioned the "upgraded brake packaged standard GTS".. wasn't that another $4k on top of the car price?
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I could care less about W427..and large capacity, they're yesterdays engines |
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All prices plucked from the internet to upgrade the GTS to a W427 style car...
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if you have read my posts, you will see that i have at the very least alluded to the fact that i think the w427 is the best all round performance car australia has produced. it is as ugly as sin. it cost holden heaps, but nothing will keep up with it around a track and it is as close to a road going factory v8 supercar as you can get. but then you have read my posts, so you know that i already think that |
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Suspension was used in the next GTS as I understand it. That's why they sit lower than the previous model.
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1. What about deducting all the stuff you could sell, does the ls3 and all the other stock e3 bits disappear? ![]() 2. Do you think Holden/hsv would pay full $rrp for all the bits you describe? ![]() As uncle tone said most bits are on the current model anyway. in my opinion just supercharge a e3 gts and it is better. Or supercharge a senator and you are way ahead. |
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my VZ hrt edition clubbie has an oil cooler for the power steering
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This is honestly the gayest thread I've seen on here in a long time. Has anyone maybe com to the conclusion that it's mostly a matter of opinion ?
No matter what facts are presented people are still going to form their own opinion on what is the greatest built Aussie car.
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![]() Bits might have filtered down to E3 but remember the W427 isn't new either.
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Not sure about gay, but I do get what you mean.
The drivel in this thread making reference to fitting a few parts to a GTS to maketh a W427 is about par for the course around here lately. It's about as intelligent as the rest of the posts from the people that have written it. Quite embarrassing really. Then this "value" bollocks gets thrown back up again and again. And then again. Please. If you can't afford it, don't mean it's not worth it. Again, the usual suspect banging on about what something is worth. Tell you what most of his posts are worth. Nothing. Besides annoyance. They're not even funny, I used to think they were a little amusing, maybe posted in jest, or just to evoke a response. But me thinks they're serious, and that's really quite sad. Let me remind the advocates of "value" one more time. Diminishing returns - remember that, it applies to every consumer product available today. This thread would be good closed, infact, it should be deleted. It's a embarrassment on the wider FF community. People reading it must think the forum comprises schoolies with nothing to do. Maybe it is... Made up by schoolies.
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Either way with a tune my F6 would walk away from the W427...
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To say the "value" proposition is irrelevant doesnt make for much intelligence. I dont doubt its a nice car but it screams of poor value at $155k
HSV people drooled over the concept of the w427 (as I did too) but when it was released at $155k noone bought them due to the price. I just rolled my eyes when I heard the price. Those who "could afford it", they wanted a proper car like a Audi RS4, Mercedes c63, Skyline GTR, etc etc. The argument to overcapitalise on a HSV or even a FPV just doesnt hold much water, never will. Again, its a great car but even HSV die hards just cant digest it as a $75k car more than a regular E3 GTS?? ![]() |
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See how you go in something that involves corners, braking and extended high speed operation (more than 12 seconds) say 50 laps of QR or Lakeside...... |
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