Covid 19 -

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Notice that Taiwan isn't getting any recognition from the WHO about their handling of COVID19? Taiwan has a similar population to Australia with under 400 cases.

Maybe because WHO is on CCP payroll, it seems anyone who recognises Taiwan as 'Taiwan' rather than 'Taipei' goes on CCP ****list:

QANTAS:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...07-p4zk0h.html

Australian Government:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...24-p50bj5.html

Rockhampton Council:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-...er-qld/9739574

This video briefly touches on the qualifications, his dubious past and Chinese links of the WHO director general.
As mentioned in the video, will mainstream press do some digging and perhaps feature a half hour segment on 60 minutes etc... highly unlikely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPSlqF5pjrw&t=5s

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DOC

That makes me smile

Well technically they did 'get over' COVID-19 - by dying

[creative]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Why do I do this to myself ?.. after saying I'm fed up with too much media I ended up watching 60 minutes last night ..I'm an idiot (don't agree too fast) .

.........

I agree...

Just watching the trailer for this got my blood boiling... Are we now a Police state, Is Australia running out of food, are we doing enough doom gloom doom gloom....


The day the media f*&ks off and actually does decent journalism again is the day I will start watching it again. They have a lot to answer for in today's society..

[guzzis3]

I read a few forums. They all have virus threads. Most are unreadable,consumed by personal attacks conspiracy theories and every other type of BS. This is the only thread I'm still reading, because while there is some of that the signal to noise and the level of mutual respect is acceptable.

Give yourselves a small (and isolated) round of applause.

I've not much to add, except I'm increasingly convinced the qld governments handling of the isolation is revenue raising to make up for fewer speeding fines. I truly hope they are voted out convincingly later in the year. I'm pretty cynical and expect very little of governments but this has even surprised me. They really are fwits...

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by guzzis3

I read a few forums. They all have virus threads. Most are unreadable,consumed by personal attacks conspiracy theories and every other type of BS. This is the only thread I'm still reading, because while there is some of that the signal to noise and the level of mutual respect is acceptable.

Give yourselves a small (and isolated) round of applause.

I've not much to add, except I'm increasingly convinced the qld governments handling of the isolation is revenue raising to make up for fewer speeding fines. I truly hope they are voted out convincingly later in the year. I'm pretty cynical and expect very little of governments but this has even surprised me. They really are fwits...

There’s no reason these conversations can’t be respectful, identity politics should go back to the dumpster it surfaced from so we can talk these things out without the need for calling people names which only undermines the content that follows it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Identity politics is so much fun though

Its easier to accuse someone of something and then make them prove themselves innocent than provide examples trying to prove your point

[Citroënbender]

I have to disagree with you. Allowing that, lets in the real sociopaths as they blend with the stirrers while getting the lay of the land. By the time they really start spreading their poison, they’ve established (undeserved) credibility.

[FairmontGS]

Science Daily has a good short piece on conspiracy theorists and why they think "someone" is "responsible" for whatever it is that ails them.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0925075108.htm

"These people tend to be more suspicious, untrusting, eccentric, needing to feel special, with a tendency to regard the world as an inherently dangerous place,"

"They are also more likely to detect meaningful patterns where they might not exist. People who are reluctant to believe in conspiracy theories tend to have the opposite qualities."

Then there's the 2 constant themes recurrent in every theorist's beliefs:

1. "The power held by heads of state is second to that of small unknown groups who really control world politics," and
2. "Groups of scientists manipulate, fabricate or suppress evidence in order to deceive the public."

and

"...if you are the type of person who looks out at the world and sees a chaotic, malevolent landscape full of senseless injustice and suffering, then perhaps there is a modicum of comfort to be found in the notion that there is someone, or some small group of people, responsible for it all. If 'there's something going on,' then at least there is something that could be done about it."

[pottery beige]

bats

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gates

potus

autism

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I have to disagree with you. Allowing that, lets in the real sociopaths as they blend with the stirrers while getting the lay of the land. By the time they really start spreading their poison, they’ve established (undeserved) credibility.

Sarcasm bud - I hate identity politics but I do enjoy a bit of a stir, I like people to have a think about a topic a little deeper and I do it by being outrageous or picking the side opposite the majority.

People are very willing to take something on face value and argue from emotional rather than logical standpoints as well as quoting one source of news, you really should be looking at multiple 'news' sources and looking into both sides of an argument to form your own opinions.

Ie - don't take everything Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt say as gospel on 3AW or Sky News, I suspect they will filter arguments catering toward their audiences, likewise for some of the Twitterati like Clementine Ford, sources like the ABC, Guardian et al.

Look into both sides of the argument, look at multiple sources and form your own opinions.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

bats

Q

gates

potus

autism

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

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#romulus

[PhilT2]

When I went overseas in the 70's I had to carry a vaccination booklet with a record of all the shots I had; it was necessary to get into some countries.

Of course that was before the mind control chip was included.

[Franco Cozzo]

Who remembers HIV?

That's been in the spotlight for circa 40 years and they're only able to manage it through medications like PrEP, wrapping up your wang or avoiding swapping bodily fluids with people with HIV - there is no 'cure' for HIV but it can be managed (arguably undetected syphilis is worse but this thread isn't for that discussion)

Whats everyone's opinions on COVID-19, do you think we'll ever invent a vaccine for it or is it going to become seasonable and we end up icing our poor Cav's and Gaso's (and the few unlucky younger cases) on a yearly basis?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Whats everyone's opinions on COVID-19, do you think we'll ever invent a vaccine for it or is it going to become seasonable and we end up icing our poor Cav's and Gaso's (and the few unlucky younger cases) on a yearly basis?

It will become like swine flu (H1N1) which is now included in the seasonal flu shot along with 3 other most prominent strains for the season.

[Syndrome]

What I hate is how the media exaggerates this issue, "Boris Johnson released from hospital after brush with death". He was never in danger of passing away. He spent a few days in Intensive Care and was given oxygen. That is NOT being on death's door.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Sarcasm bud - I hate identity politics but I do enjoy a bit of a stir, I like people to have a think about a topic a little deeper and I do it by being outrageous or picking the side opposite the majority.



People are very willing to take something on face value and argue from emotional rather than logical standpoints as well as quoting one source of news, you really should be looking at multiple 'news' sources and looking into both sides of an argument to form your own opinions.



Ie - don't take everything Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt say as gospel on 3AW or Sky News, I suspect they will filter arguments catering toward their audiences, likewise for some of the Twitterati like Clementine Ford, sources like the ABC, Guardian et al.



Look into both sides of the argument, look at multiple sources and form your own opinions.

The Trump administration is holding up Covid 19 Vaccine development, something to do with aborted human fetal cells. Killing babies to make vaccines?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The Trump administration is holding up Covid 19 Vaccine development, something to do with aborted human fetal cells. Killing babies to make vaccines?image

*this post obviously contains a joke and or jokes and does not represent the opinion and or opinions of one AFF member known as 'Franco Cozzo'.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Science Daily has a good short piece on conspiracy theorists and why they think "someone" is "responsible" for whatever it is that ails them.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0925075108.htm

"These people tend to be more suspicious, untrusting, eccentric, needing to feel special, with a tendency to regard the world as an inherently dangerous place,"

"They are also more likely to detect meaningful patterns where they might not exist. People who are reluctant to believe in conspiracy theories tend to have the opposite qualities."

Then there's the 2 constant themes recurrent in every theorist's beliefs:

1. "The power held by heads of state is second to that of small unknown groups who really control world politics," and
2. "Groups of scientists manipulate, fabricate or suppress evidence in order to deceive the public."

and

"...if you are the type of person who looks out at the world and sees a chaotic, malevolent landscape full of senseless injustice and suffering, then perhaps there is a modicum of comfort to be found in the notion that there is someone, or some small group of people, responsible for it all. If 'there's something going on,' then at least there is something that could be done about it."

Apart from that last paragraph, the term conspiracy theory suggests all info from government, govt funded organisations and media is the truth and the only truth. This is an effective way of mind control, and equally effective way to ostracise anyone that questions the status quo.

How far fetched does a conspiracy theory have to be?

Consider this mild example from New Zealand last year, with the socialist Ardern and her incompetent Labour government that are immune from any press scrutiny.

Her Government holds a Labour youth summer camp, where government employees and volunteers illegally supply excess amounts of alcohol to underage kids.
Four 16 year old kids are sexually assaulted at the camp by a 21 year old male. This was kept from the public for 6 weeks. Victims weren't advised to go to the police or offered counselling services. The opposite has been reported by the teens.
The press get hold of the story while the same time the Govt goes into damage control. ALL social media pics of the night are erased from the internet.
The suspect has a very prolonged (19 months) trial. He is the son of a high up Government minister. The judge is the brother in law of an ex Labour politician who is still active behind the scenes.
Suspect pleaded guilty and is discharged without conviction and still has name suppression.
So called feminist prime minister denies all knowledge of it.

MeToo is trending across the globe at the same time yet fails to gain traction in NZ because of this.
Feminist journos loyal to the prime minister band together and rip up their onslaught of male guilt inducing MeToo opinion pieces they were ready to publish (this is my assumption but prob not far from the truth).

Mainstream press does their best to help the govt sweep this **** up under the rug.
After a few days it was third page news.

This progressive Govt is operating the equivalent of an 'old boys club'. The Govt trivialised young sexual assault victims and tried to silence them. The Govt also managed to erase all photos and videos from the net of that weekend.

Anyone pointing these facts out is considered a conspiracy theorist because the media are too gutless to report facts and government employees did a good job of saving their cushy 6 figure incomes.

[Franco Cozzo]

Talking about conspiracy theories has anyone had Arnott's Savoury Shapes recently? Quality has gone down hill big time, most of the time they're under cooked and have **** all salt on then and other times they're spot on but it's rare these days unfortunately.

I swear it's those bastard cyclists who have it in for us fat blokes who enjoy making poor life choices on a consistent basis.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Talking about conspiracy theories has anyone had Arnott's Savoury Shapes recently? Quality has gone down hill big time, most of the time they're under cooked and have **** all salt on then and other times they're spot on but it's rare these days unfortunately.

I swear it's those bastard cyclists who have it in for us fat blokes who enjoy making poor life choices on a consistent basis.

On that note the thread is closed. I will think about it over the next 24 hours whether to re-open it or not.

Anyone seen posting about COVID-19 or anything associated with COVID-19 in any other area of the forum will have their post deleted and may find themselves not having any further opportunity to post in this thread if or when it re-opens.




In the meantime why don't some of you have a look at some of the stuff in here...

https://www.fordforums.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=111

After all, this is a Ford Forum.

[PG2]

Sorry everyone, but the thread is closed for another 24 hours. You can all thank Syndrome for that.

Just to clear it up, this thread was closed because of a number of reasons. I and a mod or two posted that the behaviour was to stop but some of the posters did not listen - it was not closed because it is a Ford Forum. Saying that, if anyone wants to send me a link to an automotive forum that has allowed this to be discussed to the extent that it has been on AFF please PM me a link and I will reconsider re-opening it.

Once it is re-opened it will be moderated very heavily. There will be no more trolling or abuse of each other. All posts will need to stay on topic.

As I have said countless times, if you have a problem with the way I moderate please send me a PM, as long it is not abusive it will be given consideration, you never know, your PM may just convince me to reverse a decision that I have made.

[PG2]

I had a long winded post typed out but when I went to read it back even I got bored with it and stopped reading.

So, I'm going to keep it to three simple points;

1. If you having a little evil laugh to yourself while typing or sending a post then you are probably trolling. Any trolling will result in a warning and possible ban.

2. If you are smashing your keys into the keyboard your post is probably abusive and/or inappropriate. If it is abusive you will receive a ban. If it is inappropriate, for example, racist, you may find yourself permanently banned.

3. If you type the words such as mod, moderator, moderation and/or that ****wit with the green username (I'm paraphrasing) you are more than likely having a go at the moderation/admin team. Any posts of this nature will result in you being banned from AFF.

Thread is now re-opened. Everyone please play nice.

[russellw]

Let's restart with some hard data. The graph below shows the Australian daily
new case rate and the trend-lines show the polynomial and 4 day moving trend, both of which are heading in the right direction.



Our serious (defined as hospitalised) rate is currently sitting at 1.25% of cases and the mortality rate at 0.953%. This compares with the WHO declared global mortality rate of 3.4%; the NZ rate of 0.659% and the US rate of 4.242% although these numbers are obviously impacted by the quantity of testing that is being done.



For those advocating the herd immunity approach, based on current rates of serious illness and death and assuming a 60% community infection rate we would end up with something like:

15M infections;
188k serious cases; and
143k deaths.

The real figures would probably be lower for the serious cases, not that the health system could cope anyway but the number of deaths would likely be higher.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by smoo

How far fetched does a conspiracy theory have to be?

That parents and friends try to cover up their kids stupid misdeeds or that politicians are bonking their staff and priests fiddle with little boys is not really a conspiracy We know these things happen.

To qualify as a proper conspiracy nutter you have to start with something a bit more unusual. Like the CIA shot JFK/planted bombs in the twin towers/ captured aliens in Area 51 and keep Bigfoot as a pet.

It is also necessary that you believe two contradictory things at the same time. Like the the UN is totally inept, incompetent and run by idiots. But they're about to take over the world. Or Hilary eats babies in the basement of a pizza place that actually doesn't have a basement.

Reality is tough but it won't go away just because you don't like it.

[cheap]

www.cebm.net

Is there anyone who still wants to question the CFR ?

Australia and NZ have done a great job !

The challenge now is to manage the tail end of the virus and it is a very long tail. Without a vaccine, eliminating 100% of the C19 risk is impossible.

[Cav]

Originally Posted by russellw

Let's restart with some hard data. The graph below shows the Australian daily
new case rate and the trend-lines show the polynomial and 4 day moving trend, both of which are heading in the right direction.

image

Our serious (defined as hospitalised) rate is currently sitting at 1.25% of cases and the mortality rate at 0.953%. This compares with the WHO declared global mortality rate of 3.4%; the NZ rate of 0.659% and the US rate of 4.242% although these numbers are obviously impacted by the quantity of testing that is being done.

image

For those advocating the herd immunity approach, based on current rates of serious illness and death and assuming a 60% community infection rate we would end up with something like:

15M infections;
188k serious cases; and
143k deaths.

The real figures would probably be lower for the serious cases, not that the health system could cope anyway but the number of deaths would likely be higher.

Your analysis is correct based on data available, and therein is the problem.

The data cannot be relied upon due to the nature of self reporting of nation states without any auditing.

So what is the goal?

To stop infections completely?

Maybe in the first instance, but this cannot be sustained due to two factors.
It destroys the economy of a nation.
Infections will restart once these tight controls are eased.

The modified herd immunity approach seems to be what nations are now looking at - that is - to modify and control social behaviour so that new infections can be controlled and handled effectively by the nations's health system without being overwhelmed.

This may turn out to be a series of on and off control measures over a long time frame until/if an anti-vaccine is developed or herd immunity is achieved

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by cheap

image

www.cebm.net

Is there anyone who still wants to question the CFR ?

Australia and NZ have done a great job !

The challenge now is to manage the tail end of the virus and it is a very long tail. Without a vaccine, eliminating 100% of the C19 risk is impossible.

On that data, the vast majority of countries with a high fatality case-rate have universal healthcare.

[Cav]

Originally Posted by cheap

image

www.cebm.net

Is there anyone who still wants to question the CFR ?

Australia and NZ have done a great job !

The challenge now is to manage the tail end of the virus and it is a very long tail. Without a vaccine, eliminating 100% of the C19 risk is impossible.

Yeah, I'll have a go.

Western countries appear to have the worst death rates?

For example ...

US deaths 23,844 cases 587,173

UK deaths 11,329 cases 88,621

China deaths 3341 cases 82,249

Russia deaths 170 cases 21,102

Why is this so?

[roddy1960]

Will be interesting to see how China finishes up now that they've relaxed travel within the country again . I'll be really convinced that they've got it under control if there is no real evidence to show a spike in cases by the end of the month. Let's hope there is no dramatic spike .