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Metdevil · 22-09-2021, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ford71V8

She also informed me they are spending a lot of money changing the name of AZ to something else (Vacci-something) due to the stigma attached to AZ/clots. We agree they must think we are all stupid.

Yea, that's not what's happening... AstraZeneca is the company's name, Vaxzevria is the vaccine's commercial/brand name. The 'AstraZeneca Covid-19 Vaccine' was purely just a working name while it was going through all of the hoops it needed to go through. Same thing happened with Pfizer's vaccine (commercially known as Comirnaty). Calling the AZ vaccine 'AstraZeneca' would be like calling Milo 'Nestle'...

T3rminator · 22-09-2021, 06:44 PM

Interesting announcements today for Victorian schools.

- $25,000 grant for each independent school to purchase shade sails to promote outdoor learning.

- 50,000 air purification devices from Samsung to be distributed for use in high traffic areas.

All up $190m.

slowsnake · 22-09-2021, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ford71V8

So my story of todays first Covid vac jab.
Lets just go home hey?

What a ****show.

After reading that, I think that's the longest injection I've never had!
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Cheers Billy

ford71V8 · 22-09-2021, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Metdevil

Yea, that's not what's happening... AstraZeneca is the company's name, Vaxzevria is the vaccine's commercial/brand name. The 'AstraZeneca Covid-19 Vaccine' was purely just a working name while it was going through all of the hoops it needed to go through. Same thing happened with Pfizer's vaccine (commercially known as Comirnaty). Calling the AZ vaccine 'AstraZeneca' would be like calling Milo 'Nestle'...

Just relaying what the medical staff told me.
But what you say makes sense. Maybe they are attempting to drop the AZ reference by referring to it as Vaxzevri.

Got home to see they had 2 attempts at rebooking our 2nd shots too. Multiple confusing emails.

FPV8U · 22-09-2021, 07:00 PM

Made a call to my GP today to book an appointment to have a chat about C19 Vaccination and potentially receiving my first shot and can’t get in until the second week of October.

Considering all the talk of let’s get this done, I’m surprised the appointment seemed to have no level of priority in the scheme of things.

I’m in no rush, but with the Politics of the current Vic situation it wasn’t the response I was expecting.

ford71V8 · 22-09-2021, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

After reading that, I think that's the longest injection I've never had!
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Cheers Billy

Sorry, I was not very happy when I returned home.
Getting tired of departments and individuals doing such a crap job. If I was as inefficient in my role I'd be let go.

Metdevil · 22-09-2021, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ford71V8

On the PC screen, my name is highlighted in green....1st dose complete.
She queries me, thinking I have made a mistake and am here for my 2nd shot.

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Originally Posted by ford71V8

Got home to see they had 2 attempts at rebooking our 2nd shots too. Multiple confusing emails.

Same thing happened with my wife's appointment. She booked in at one place, showed up and they were closed. There was an error and they were supposed to open the next day instead.

She tried to rebook, but the system thought she'd already had her first and wouldn't let her reschedule before the 3 week minimum. She also couldn't cancel the appointment as it was in the past.

Went to a walk-in clinic and they told her they couldn't give it to her because according to the system she already had it.
She tried to explain what had happened and they looked at her with a side-eye kind of dubiousness like they were dealing with their average Pfizer addict trying to hustle her next fix...

**GO FURTHER** · 22-09-2021, 07:28 PM

I could not agree more... Lest we forget.

Citroënbender · 22-09-2021, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Made a call to my GP today to book an appointment to have a chat about C19 Vaccination and potentially receiving my first shot and can’t get in until the second week of October.

Considering all the talk of let’s get this done, I’m surprised the appointment seemed to have no level of priority in the scheme of things.

I’m in no rush, but with the Politics of the current Vic situation it wasn’t the response I was expecting.

This doesn’t surprise me. You’re probably being slotted in behind a lot of second dose visits. The pressure to condense that 1-2 timeframe is immense - I’m resisting it.

oldel · 22-09-2021, 10:13 PM

Tried hotdoc? They specifically list covid vaccines by type and make it possible to book just for that, just search there and look for an appointment with the covid nurse or 'chair'.
It's the fastest way to search and book these days as many aren't shopping around by phone with GPs, and most just booking with a state vaxx center instead.

I can almost guarantee if you shop around via hotdoc you'll get a GP appointment faster than any other method.

BTW 3 weeks was standard for pfizer as that's all it took to get close to max efficacy (3w ~90%, 6w ~95%). AZ is a different beast and requires 12w for max efficacy, but pfizer only needed 3w for 90%.

Longer interims were only for longevity, not efficacy. There's no point chasing longevity with pfizer, either we'll get the boosters or not. But if in Vic right now I'd be wanting best efficacy sooner (3w) now and worry about 6 months from now (longevity). That's a long time in covid times, the difference in efficacy between 3w and 6w is 2-5% - bugger all. You want to be at 90% faster by being double dosed faster and not stretch it out for another 3w for ~3%.

E: In short 3w for best protection is just fine. There's only debates about differences 6m from now where the longer interim seems better for longevity. In the mean time thats 3w you're hoping not to get infected as the single dose gives only 40% chance of not getting seriously infected. That's a bigger risk than taking time later on to see how boosters pan out.

It's not the same as shorting AZ, because a few weeks shortened with AZ means the difference between 60 and 80+% efficacy

**Polyal** · 23-09-2021, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Made a call to my GP today to book an appointment to have a chat about C19 Vaccination and potentially receiving my first shot and can’t get in until the second week of October.

Considering all the talk of let’s get this done, I’m surprised the appointment seemed to have no level of priority in the scheme of things.

I’m in no rush, but with the Politics of the current Vic situation it wasn’t the response I was expecting.

With all due respect your only looking now for the first? I would have though Victorians would be all over it?

FPV8U · 23-09-2021, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by oldel

I can almost guarantee if you shop around via hotdoc you'll get a GP appointment faster than any other method.

I’m not in a rush, I don’t particularly want it but the reality of the situation is that choice with the recent Victorian Roadmap has removed that choice.

I have some questions for my GP and am seeking some guidance around which Vaccine he would recommend for me.

As said by Citroenbender though, I have zero interest in shortening the gaps between shots, They will be done on ideal spacing, not rushed to keep State government happy spacings.

T3rminator · 23-09-2021, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

With all due respect your only looking now for the first? I would have though Victorians would be all over it?

We've not had the real scare that NSW has had with 1000s of cases per day.....yet, so whilst there has been an uptick, there hasn't been the same urgency. Since the release of the roadmap, a few people I know, who originally sat on the fence, have decided to bite the bullet and get it done. Its also become very evident that if you want to live, work and socialise, not just here but also overseas travels (see US announcement), you are going to have to get the jab.

Also had a mate that went for his 2nd AZ a few days before the minimum 6 weeks was up. He wanted to get it done before the long weekend so that he could take his kids to socialise with another fully jabbed household. His GP administered it, no questions asked.

Mulva · 23-09-2021, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ford71V8

VicPol not doing themselves any favours by calling the protesters cowards a day after footage showed them pushing an old lady to the ground and squirting pepper spray directly into her face while she lay on the road.

Is this "her"?

slowsnake · 23-09-2021, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

I could not agree more... Lest we forget.

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I think if the Vietnam and Veterans MC are made aware of what went on their members would stand back to back to defend the memory of their fallen mates!

Cheers Billy

HIPO · 23-09-2021, 08:35 AM

They dont appear to have added up the deaths correctly?

https://uap-media.com.au/tga-full-re...iISR1kD530UsBU

**Polyal** · 23-09-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mulva

Is this "her"?

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Saw that and buggered if I know what is real anymore....was it legit a fake?

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

We've not had the real scare that NSW has had with 1000s of cases per day.....yet, so whilst there has been an uptick, there hasn't been the same urgency. Since the release of the roadmap, a few people I know, who originally sat on the fence, have decided to bite the bullet and get it done. Its also become very evident that if you want to live, work and socialise, not just here but also overseas travels (see US announcement), you are going to have to get the jab.

Also had a mate that went for his 2nd AZ a few days before the minimum 6 weeks was up. He wanted to get it done before the long weekend so that he could take his kids to socialise with another fully jabbed household. His GP administered it, no questions asked.

Really, Melb/Vic is leading the world in lockdown count and no urgency?

**russellw** · 23-09-2021, 08:52 AM

I've got to say that while my wife's (very early) first dose experience was a shambles but her 2nd and my first were extremely well organised with almost no wait time, all the paperwork in order and well staffed.

I think it takes time for each new centre to sort out their procedures but after that it just comes down to how well run they are and ours is now very good.

23-09-2021, 08:58 AM

https://www.theage.com.au/national/m...21-p58tib.html

slowsnake · 23-09-2021, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mulva

Is this "her"?

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Hard to say if it's legit, but that black curly wig in the foreground looks out of place for a woman that age, her own hair looks fine, why the odd looking wig!

Cheers Billy

T3rminator · 23-09-2021, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Really, Melb/Vic is leading the world in lockdown count and no urgency?

Yes really. There was no real visible carrot until recently.

You could say the same for the rest of the country. We have effectively been imprisoned within our little island for 18 months, yet people are happy to sit back and wait rather than take up what is there. Sounds silly don't it? But you watch, once more freedom is granted and it becomes visible, those sitting on the fence will start to take what is available. IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Mulva

Is this "her"?

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That's "her". The incident is now under investigation. To get the full context, you need to see what happened a few moments earlier. Not great, either way.

**GasoLane** · 23-09-2021, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hard to say if it's legit, but that black curly wig in the foreground looks out of place for a woman that age, her own hair looks fine, why the odd looking wig!

Cheers Billy

'She' has a very masculine face.

pottery beige · 23-09-2021, 09:13 AM

trans granny ftw

**GO FURTHER** · 23-09-2021, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hard to say if it's legit, but that black curly wig in the foreground looks out of place for a woman that age, her own hair looks fine, why the odd looking wig!
Cheers Billy

Using a reverse image comparison search engine, I found 2 other matching images on the Internet...

Seems it could be a man.

**Polyal** · 23-09-2021, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Using a reverse image comparison search engine, I found 2 other matching images on the Internet...

Seems it could be a man.

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If that is a bloke, details of allegiance with a group needs to be named.

if its still a lady and she just doesn't like her natural then I'm still confused.

That meme with the Viking guy in the whitehouse in Jan 21 is going to get a run for its money...

Work Horse · 23-09-2021, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Using a reverse image comparison search engine, I found 2 other matching images on the Internet...

Seems it could be a man.

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But Rebel news were there and reported it was a seventy year old women.

They also claim they tell the truth.

Ben73 · 23-09-2021, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ford71V8

VicPol not doing themselves any favours by calling the protesters cowards a day after footage showed them pushing an old lady to the ground and squirting pepper spray directly into her face while she lay on the road.

Good to see the cops who beat her were not wearing masks properly.
They must be really concerned about covid.

**Polyal** · 23-09-2021, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Good to see the cops who beat her were not wearing masks properly.
They must be really concerned about covid.

Would like to see a movie of AFF members running around chasing lunatics with masks on...or running at all

Work Horse · 23-09-2021, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Good to see the cops who beat her were not wearing masks properly.
They must be really concerned about covid.

HIM mate, it was a man dressed up you are being stooged!

**russellw** · 23-09-2021, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Stambolova

https://www.theage.com.au/national/m...21-p58tib.html

Quite possibly correct but what are the viable alternatives?

The reality is that those who work in any form of health care will need to be vaccinated and we have already seen a number of employer groups introduce mandatory vaccinations and most people of working age are getting the more effective Pfizer vaccine. Yes, a percentage of those will still get infected, the so-called breakthrough infections, but if those they come into contact with are also vaccinated then the impact is reduced.

What we do know from current research in the US and UK is that the breakthrough infection rate is about 0.71% so that's 710 per 100k of vaccinated people - way below the current Delta variant infection rate.

Of those, about 0.02% require hospitalisation or 20 per 100k and the death rate for breakthrough infections is 0.005% or 1 for every 200k vaccinated people and that's based on worst case scenarios.

We could just take the uncharitable approach and say that eventually, the unvaccinated will get infected and between 0.5-1.0% of them will die based on the current rates in countries where vaccination rates have reached 80% of those eligible. Assuming we reach the 80% threshold here that leaves about 1.12M over 12's unvaccinated which means between 5-10k will die.

How's that for freedom of choice?