Will the Holden brand survive?

[hayseed]

HHmmmmmmmmm..

https://www.drive.com.au/news/exclus...=homePageNews4

[Bossxr8]

GM lying about something. Can't say i'm shocked.

They don't teach business ethics at GM HQ.

[csv8]

With the coronavirus, I think more car dealers will close. Because car imports will dry up as production ends. Sad times ahead.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

GM lying about something. Can't say i'm shocked.

They don't teach business ethics at GM HQ.

If that is true ( and not media click bait) then GM are up there, and probably worse than VW 👎

[Smoke Pursuit]

Holden can't offer 10 years for all dealerships. Basically they will run the 5 years out then they will decrease footprint again as demand reduces.

[BENT_8]

Media beat up, who still uses dealer servicing after the warranty runs out anyway?
There's not much point in providing a service which will be taken up by a minority in reality.

But, I guess if your looking to grind your axe then a handful of people not being able to have a 'Holden' stamp in their service book may be just the remedy..

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

GM lying about something. Can't say i'm shocked.

They don't teach business ethics at GM HQ.

Having dealt with Holden purchasing department in the past showed me that the GM organisation was toxic.

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Media beat up, who still uses dealer servicing after the warranty runs out anyway?
There's not much point in providing a service which will be taken up by a minority in reality.

But, I guess if your looking to grind your axe then a handful of people not being able to have a 'Holden' stamp in their service book may be just the remedy..

Generally speaking yes, But the last batch of Holdens got the 5 year warranty and 7 year free servicing, so they will be going back at least once a year for the next 7 years to claim their free service. if there here for only 5, what about the other two years??

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Media beat up, who still uses dealer servicing after the warranty runs out anyway?
There's not much point in providing a service which will be taken up by a minority in reality.

But, I guess if your looking to grind your axe then a handful of people not being able to have a 'Holden' stamp in their service book may be just the remedy..

You really have no clue do you? They are selling cars with 7 year free servicing included, and they issued a press release saying they would be here for 10 years for parts and servicing. Now they’re only offering 5 year contracts.

Do the maths. If you can.

[mondeomatureguy]

I have to say I was very Pi---- off when I read that the Australian Government had given GMH millions of dollars only to learn that most of that money went over to Detroit.

If Detroit knew they would close the GMH Plant in Adelaide why didn't they sell GMH to the Australian Government in the first place?

We could still be making Holden's in Australia and all those people that worked there wouldn't have lost there jobs.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by mondeomatureguy

I have to say I was very Pi---- off when I read that the Australian Government had given GMH millions of dollars only to learn that most of that money went over to Detroit.

If Detroit knew they would close the GMH Plant in Adelaide why didn't they sell GMH to the Australian Government in the first place?

We could still be making Holden's in Australia and all those people that worked there wouldn't have lost there jobs.

It's not that simple. Even if the govt bought it, the volume of cars produced was not sustainable. Not even close.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

You really have no clue do you? They are selling cars with 7 year free servicing included, and they issued a press release saying they would be here for 10 years for parts and servicing. Now they’re only offering 5 year contracts.

Do the maths. If you can.

Lol, its a 5yr replacement contract to override the existing contracts which end in 2022, its then up to the individual dealer at the end of 2025 if they wish to go again which allows them to see if there is demand ie, they don't all have to renew it, but those who see a return on it may do so.
If there is enough demand they could possibly be servicing for 10yrs, however, not too many people keep their cars for 10yrs these days and so you'd have to look at the terms to see if the 7yrs is transferrable, if not, the demand at the end of 2025 would be relatively low.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by mondeomatureguy

I have to say I was very Pi---- off when I read that the Australian Government had given GMH millions of dollars only to learn that most of that money went over to Detroit.

If Detroit knew they would close the GMH Plant in Adelaide why didn't they sell GMH to the Australian Government in the first place?

We could still be making Holden's in Australia and all those people that worked there wouldn't have lost there jobs.

That's Total BS !

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Having dealt with Holden purchasing department in the past showed me that the GM organisation was toxic.

In what years is that that you are talking about.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by mondeomatureguy

I have to say I was very Pi---- off when I read that the Australian Government had given GMH millions of dollars only to learn that most of that money went over to Detroit.

If Detroit knew they would close the GMH Plant in Adelaide why didn't they sell GMH to the Australian Government in the first place?

We could still be making Holden's in Australia and all those people that worked there wouldn't have lost there jobs.

Why would the government have any interest in such a loss making industry in Australia? If private industry couldn't do it what hope does the government?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Why would the government have any interest in such a loss making industry in Australia? If private industry couldn't do it what hope does the government?

And good luck getting GM to supply parts such as engines, and hand over IP so they can use the platform etc.

GM would tell them to bugger off.

[MercuryT]

Maloo would have survived.

Look A1.

Ford Utes look horrible even if in sport form.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Maloo would have survived.

Look A1.

Ford Utes look horrible even if in sport form.

You and Bent _8 live under the same bridge?

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

You and Bent _8 live under the same bridge?

Maloo looks much better than any Ford Ute.

Buy one if so upset. No you can't afford it.

Grow up w^n^er.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Maloo looks much better than any Ford Ute.

Buy one if so upset. No you can't afford it.

Grow up w^n^er.

This is merely your opinion not everyone has to agree with it, and an attitude change on your part would be helpful as well.

[MercuryT]

Shocking moderating.

He-she had a go at me......Ghia name even worse. Mummy.

The HSV Maloo is awesome.

Ford's are very lame in comparison.

It's hardly comparable.

Is that ok?

[fgpsi]

F6 ute would eat any maloo except the lsa ones and they cost twice as much

[Rob 351]

Actually I reckon the Ford utes looks very easy on the eye! Especially the FG model.
And you can do what they were originally designed for......Put a load in the back!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Shocking moderating.

He-she had a go at me......Ghia name even worse. Mummy.

The HSV Maloo is awesome.

Ford's are very lame in comparison.

It's hardly comparable.

Is that ok?

Maloo is a plastic dog turd, your tasted buds are in your butt hole

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

And you can do what they were originally designed for......Put a load in the back!

You might be surprised to learn, as i was many years ago, that the XR ute models have the least amount of available payload of the utes from both brands. its a measly 550kg. so by the time you add driver and fuel (and maybe a passenger) you would barely have 300-350kg available.

a standard base model ute has just over 1 tonne though, which is around 250kg more than the opposition.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Maloo is a plastic dog turd, your tasted buds are in your butt hole

This is not about Maloo.
To clarify, the way we throw opinions around can say more about us and our biases
than the things we criticize and dismiss out of hand, we shouldould be respectful of others
like and dislike.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

You might be surprised to learn, as i was many years ago, that the XR ute models have the least amount of available payload of the utes from both brands. its a measly 550kg. so by the time you add driver and fuel (and maybe a passenger) you would barely have 300-350kg available.

a standard base model ute has just over 1 tonne though, which is around 250kg more than the opposition.

I'd assume that's because of the tyres specified on the XR models? They may have low weight ratings.

Also you'll pay more in the amount in tolls in Melbourne with an FPV F6 than a HSV Maloo because the former is a 'commercial vehicle'

https://www.motoring.com.au/ford-fal...h-grab-103455/

Melbourne's City Link toll road network reclassifies car-based utility as a 'light commercial'

If you drive a Falcon ute and commute in Melbourne you could be in for a shock.

An apparent bureaucratic back-flip and re-categorisation of vehicle types has led to owners of Ford Falcon utes paying nearly $3 more per toll-road trip than equivalent Falcon sedans and wagons (or indeed Commodore Ute drivers) on Melbourne’s CityLink toll road network.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

F6 ute would eat any maloo except the lsa ones and they cost twice as much

Of course it would.

Buying cars is not just about speed.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

Actually I reckon the Ford utes looks very easy on the eye! Especially the FG model.
And you can do what they were originally designed for......Put a load in the back!

No doubt the Ford utes are more useful.

No argument from me on that.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Maloo is a plastic dog turd, your tasted buds are in your butt hole

Charming.