Covid 19 -

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I don't recollect anyone saying that it was compulsory, and I'm sure that the Pfizer/BioNTech people along with Oxford/AstraZeneca would love to hear you say that they're 'untried'.



FWIW my wife starts Chemo (for the 2nd time in 3 years) in the next few weeks, her Oncologist strongly recommended that she get her first jab of either Pfizer or AZ before they start treatment.

Funny that, I asked do I need to be vaxxed before chemo starts next week, answer NO.
I said are you sure, he said yes I'm sure!...I don't think they like me here in WA!
But if I was in an interstate covid lockdown area I believe they would demand it, maybe the doctors here just want to watch me die!

Will see what they say next week, but not holding my breath, they had me down as an elective outpatient?.


Cheers Billy

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

This is a company whose best interest is their vaccine customers living long enough to become Viagra customers. So yes, I trust that they want me to at least live long enough until I suffer erectile dysfunction.

Ironically covid apparently causes erectile disfunction.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

With a 99% survival rate, probably not.

99% sounds great, until you do the maths

If everyone in Australia eventually gets Covid, that would be 250,000 dead if everyone was unvaccinated.

Or if a vaccine results in 90% reduction in infection resulting in Hospitalisation (only, not just death) you are saving at least 225,000 Australians. Not far off the entire population of Geelong. Not sure I would call that "not worth it".

People can argue all they want about it not preventing infection, we are past that now, it is now about managing what is probably with us forever.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by tweeked

99% sounds great, until you do the maths

If everyone in Australia eventually gets Covid, that would be 250,000 dead if everyone was unvaccinated.

Or if a vaccine results in 90% reduction in infection resulting in Hospitalisation (only, not just death) you are saving at least 225,000 Australians. Not far off the entire population of Geelong. Not sure I would call that "not worth it".

People can argue all they want about it not preventing infection, we are past that now, it is now about managing what is probably with us forever.

Some maths showing vaccines are working. I've picked UK and Japan, but the same info is freely available on google for all countries. From the handful of graphs I've seen, they all seem to show a similar pattern.

[JasonACT]

We were talking about this today at work, here's some of the things that came up (and I'm not about to claim any of these as my own opinion in this thread):

.Bloke got his 2nd jab yesterday
.Bloke has sore arm, sniffles, sneezing, blowing nose
.Bloke says "but I'm good for the next 6 months, they said it in the news"
.Mates say, yeah, but now you don't get real sick and even though you get Covid-19, you get to parade it around with as much transmission as someone who would be in bed!
.Bloke says, but I'm good!
.Mates say, for 6 months, then you get 2 more needles, plus the flu jab, that's 5 a year for the rest of your life!
.Bloke looks worried.
.Other mates say "hang on, 5 jabs a year, I'm likely to grow 2 heads from that eventually"

Jason goes back to doing his work, thinking the ACT is pretty good for the moment.

[slowsnake]

I don't trust anything from Google, it's usefulness is just a very basic platform for egotistical people, ie:- influencers and teenagers or introverts who can express themselves without ridicule, but even technical or scientific content is the product of someone's mind and fingers!

There is nothing real about it, it just is there to digest how you will then upload your personality to make it all the more confusing!


Cheers Billy.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Read this on another forum,

• more often obtain their information from social media."

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by JasonACT

We were talking about this today at work, here's some of the things that came up (and I'm not about to claim any of these as my own opinion in this thread):

.Bloke got his 2nd jab yesterday
.Bloke has sore arm, sniffles, sneezing, blowing nose
.Bloke says "but I'm good for the next 6 months, they said it in the news"
.Mates say, yeah, but now you don't get real sick and even though you get Covid-19, you get to parade it around with as much transmission as someone who would be in bed!
.Bloke says, but I'm good!
.Mates say, for 6 months, then you get 2 more needles, plus the flu jab, that's 5 a year for the rest of your life!
.Bloke looks worried.
.Other mates say "hang on, 5 jabs a year, I'm likely to grow 2 heads from that eventually"

Jason goes back to doing his work, thinking the ACT is pretty good for the moment.

You work in Parliament House yeah?

[JasonACT]

My mates and I were running around on the grass on top of that building one Canberra night, security guard came out and told us to stop! Oh, OK we said, and quietly left. Do you think that would or could even happen here nowadays?!

No, sorry, I don't work in "that" place

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Remember, SARS COV 2 is the virus, Covid 19 is the disease. The vaccine won't stop you from catching the virus. It does however help your body to fight off the virus to lessen the probability of it developing into the disease, and if it does develop into the disease, it should reduce the severity. And if you are less symptomatic, you are less likely to pass it on to the next person.

Its surprising how many people have no idea of the difference between the virus and the disease and how you can catch the virus but might not necessarily develop the disease, especially when vaccinated.

I was involved in a conversation about a month ago where someone said the vaccine was pointless as you can still catch Covid, i said you dont catch Covid, you catch a SARS virus that develops into Covid disease, the ICU nurse said i was wrong, the virus and the disease are the same thing referred to differently by different people, i just i see and left it at that.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

And apparently some people seem to think that nothing has changed in the 60 years since the largest medical disaster in living history.

The mRNA vaccine has been used in research for the last 20 years, and this vaccine has been in development since the first SARS-CoV outbreak nearly 10 years ago. So it's far from being 'untried'.

[EDITED]

All of the test phase results are available online [not needed]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7745181/
https://www.fda.gov/media/144337/download
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04760132

For those of that have read this post before I edited it will understand with what I am about to say.

THIS IS THE SORT OF POST THAT STARTS ARGUMENTS IN THIS THREAD AND EITHER GETS IT CLOSED DOWN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME OR GETS THE USER A HOLIDAY.

Metdevil, I may be wrong, but I get the feeling you are in this field so I won't be giving you a warning, however, next time you won't be so lucky.



Everyone, please play nice.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

I don't trust anything from Google, it's usefulness is just a very basic platform for egotistical people, ie:- influencers and teenagers or introverts who can express themselves without ridicule, but even technical or scientific content is the product of someone's mind and fingers!

There is nothing real about it, it just is there to digest how you will then upload your personality to make it all the more confusing!


Cheers Billy.

lol Billy, its just data. Sourced from Johns Hopkins University but presented graphically. The vaccine data is from ourworldindata.org.

[Citroënbender]

Italy, again. The nomads reckon this article is very relatable.

https://www.traveller.com.au/covid19...ictions-h1xm1y

[oldel]

HaHa, fled back to australia while the lockdowns and death tolls rose overseas, then jumped back to complain (while they still have to wear masks indoors even now).

I'd take WA any day of the week. No masks, 9 deaths, ~1000 cases total, been free for the last year with only a few 1-2 weeks restrictions.
**** them wanting the best of both worlds but none of the worst consequences of either.

As she or any other expats posting recently prove - it's not been that hard for people to leave Australia. All the struggle has been for those living overseas with lots to liquidate before moving back, then internal os country lockdowns/travel/airport/ stop over countries etc restrictions and getting screwed by cancelled flights then becoming broke have had all the trouble. No one that has left recently with prebooked tickets has had an issue with travel if they claim it's for business purposes. They've been relatively free to go and return! If fact it's them coming and going that doesn't help the stricken expats still trying to get home one bit, so maybe don;t become part of the problem if you're going to whine about it?

The gov should have done a better job chartering flights, vaxx, HQ etc though.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The drug companies who are making billions and billions of dollars from this can be fully trusted though right?

It's not like Pfizer hasn't been sued for selling dodgy medications many times before. Surely they can be trusted



But you can still get covid after being vaxxed. So what's the difference? It's not stopping you getting covid

Yeah it probably reduces the chances of getting sick, but most people show no symptoms anyway.

It's not the great breakthrough people are expecting it to be. There was a recent super spreader event in Massachusetts in the US where 75% of the people infected were vaccinated. That's pretty damning that it really isn't that effective at all.

Everyone has the right to choose. I'm on the fence.

It aint a cure, it won't eradicate it like other vaccines did other diseases (because sars is a *****), so you can still get sars after being vaxxed, but it just reduces your likelihood of dying from it personally.
I don't trust big pharma and their billions of dollars but I distrust the quacks even less when they want $50 out of me!
They think smaller and willing to **** people over more for only pocket change.

[buggerlugs]

Interesting press conference with Glady's yesterday. Asked twice if Bunning's should be open, refused to answer the question twice. I would of thought maybe for the Tradies, but the general public ?
Our local Bunning's car park was full yesterday and we are in lock down..........

[cheap]

I've read 97-99% recovery from C19. But as more people receive vaccinations, then the recovery rate should be orders of magnitude higher than 97-99%, after all the world has spent trillions to get back to a pre C19 steady-state.

[Polyal]

Well ill chime in with a personal experience, Grandfather in Vic at the moment is not far off and I dont know how we will get down to see him at all. I did do a dash a few weeks ago that ended up in a 14 day isolation at home, but to think we cant be at the funeral is tough.

My partner works for NSW Health, who only this week had her first vaccination...and she works in a hospital! I was told relatives of health care workers could get it sooner so I called up.

The nominated GP in town to administer said "sorry, change of plans this week, you need to see your own GP". (its not "my" GP...is Australia the only place were we seem to have "our" GP's?).

Called "my" GP, they dont get any doses until late August and even then the admin said "even if we get them, it looks like they are being redirected to SYD".

Awesome, so people who want it cant even get it.

[tweeked]

If "it" has to be Pfizer.

It really is interesting seeing such a huge disparity in how we all assess risk. I saw the numbers on AZ and didn't even hesitate, others are not wanting to go near it even if there is "any" risk involved.

No judgement on my behalf, as I have said it should be always everyone's own choice.

But what I do see, is three weeks in after we open up, and cases start surging, will the government be ready for the sudden influx of people who then want a vaccine straight away? The "it is ok at the moment" crowd will have to then choose their path.

[Polyal]

I didnt even ask, nor did they say, which one it was. (or wasnt in this case)

[Citroënbender]

I’m sorry you’re being treated this way by our country.

It’s amazing how much pressure has been placed on people like myself in Sydney to bring forward the second dose of Covid vaccine - I’m holding out, because one is possibly better then none and it would seem that if I leaned on a GP to bring it forward, that’s simply robbing somebody like you.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I’m sorry you’re being treated this way by our country.

It’s amazing how much pressure has been placed on people like myself in Sydney to bring forward the second dose of Covid vaccine - I’m holding out, because one is possibly better then none and it would seem that if I leaned on a GP to bring it forward, that’s simply robbing somebody like you.

Appreciate the thought but we are OK, or should I just say lucky we are rural NSW where for the moment cases are non existent but Id suggest that's just a matter of time.

Tangent, for the people not wanting to get the jab, are you vaccinated as per Gov process for kids etc? It seems an odd separation to make.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I’m sorry you’re being treated this way by our country.

It’s amazing how much pressure has been placed on people like myself in Sydney to bring forward the second dose of Covid vaccine - I’m holding out, because one is possibly better then none and it would seem that if I leaned on a GP to bring it forward, that’s simply robbing somebody like you.

Didn't they just stretch out the second dose of Pfizer there from 3 to six weeks to enable more first doses?

Maybe AZ as there is over a million doses sitting on shelves?

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Well ill chime in with a personal experience, Grandfather in Vic at the moment is not far off and I dont know how we will get down to see him at all. I did do a dash a few weeks ago that ended up in a 14 day isolation at home, but to think we cant be at the funeral is tough.

My partner works for NSW Health, who only this week had her first vaccination...and she works in a hospital! I was told relatives of health care workers could get it sooner so I called up.

The nominated GP in town to administer said "sorry, change of plans this week, you need to see your own GP". (its not "my" GP...is Australia the only place were we seem to have "our" GP's?).

Called "my" GP, they dont get any doses until late August and even then the admin said "even if we get them, it looks like they are being redirected to SYD".

Awesome, so people who want it cant even get it.

Its mind boggling in this day and age and during a global pandemic its a merry go round for us citizens (well those who wish to get the jab) trying to comply and obviously look out for yourself/family.
We have all these testing stations here there everywhere, WHY not have the opportunity having the jab done there as well.
I know logistics maybe an issue BUT surely a system could be set up.
As for your situation Polyal, regional, what a joke that is.
OH we won't even have supply till late August and possibly the stock will be side tracked.
Like WTF, yes Regional is in a safer position than the city CBD's but come on.
A puny little island country of ours can't even get Distribution in order let alone making it an easier process getting a jab in the populous areas.

I'm not a regular re posting links for as some feel there is so much BS posted and opinions its a mosh pit and I agree.
I was passed on this for a matter of interest so excuse me if seen or that its a load of bollocks..
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...26dfc20f49ec78

[Citroënbender]

Vaccinating Sydneians to meet a goal is the state government’s only hope of saving face as the public perceive this current situation. Around here, I see this morning, markedly less compliance with the spirit of the rules than even yesterday. Hammer drills, nail guns, people are in offices and lining up at coffee shops. Roads hum steadily and kids are dropped off at schools.

It might sound a brutal thing to ask, but is the “Everyman” in Australia still so bothered by overseas Covid deaths? There seems an implicit idea that the worst of it is now behind all nations.

[HIPO]

As usual with the Aus. Gov. that likes to keep all types of info from us, we're hardly seeing anything of the huge over seas rallies against lock downs.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by FTE217

...

We have all these testing stations here there everywhere, WHY not have the opportunity having the jab done there as well.
I know logistics maybe an issue BUT surely a system could be set up.
...

I'm not trying to shoot your idea down in flames.

The problem you may have with setting up immunisation stations at the same place as testing stations is that it will increase traffic to areas that are already not coping with current levels of traffic.

A lot of people that are getting tested are showing signs of symptoms, and from what I have been told and read, if you are showing symptoms you can not get the jab until you are not showing any symptoms for 14 days??? Therefore, it is not as if you can get tested 'and while you are there' get the jab as well.



Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong about getting the jab while having symptoms.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Surprised this hasn't rated a mention here yet this morning, especially given the precedent this sets for those who are making the decision to not get vaccinated.

Shepparton food processor SPC is the first company in Australia to mandate COVID-19 vaccination of all staff

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by PG2

…Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong about getting the jab while having symptoms.

One problem may be that people are perhaps more likely to “conveniently overlook” minor symptoms in order to keep a vaccination appointment - especially now there is such a clamour for Vax deLuxe.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by PG2

I'm not trying to shoot your idea down in flames.

The problem you may have with setting up immunisation stations at the same place as testing stations is that it will increase traffic to areas that are already not coping with current levels of traffic.

A lot of people that are getting tested are showing signs of symptoms, and from what I have been told and read, if you are showing symptoms you can not get the jab until you are not showing any symptoms for 14 days??? Therefore, it is not as if you can get tested 'and while you are there' get the jab as well.



Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong about getting the jab while having symptoms.

PG2 I get your points.
The traffic scenario, well lets say Sydney for eg, how it is period in normal times, busy as, the Large drive through testing stations should be running 24hrs for one (yes shift work but way to get volume testing/jabs done)....
Those with symptoms obviously can't get the jab.
There are many like me, who have gone to get tested for peace of mind, to be sure to be sure, just like going to quack your asked , have you symptoms,runny nose,headache, NO I don't, good go to that part of the station for the jab for eg.....
There would be heaps of people like me getting tested as we know from the daily figures.
Just a thought.