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I answered with how I would feel. Obviously you can console yourself you did it for king and country, for the good of humanity, a gungho kinda guy,etc. There are alot of ex soldiers out there who would have thought the same thing, until the nightmares started. No doubt there will be two rooky cops who will need intensive treatment to overcome the guilt that is going to follow them forever. Throwing a segue argument about armed robbery and other crimes is apples and oranges. There is about 300 gun related deaths in Oz each year. About 45 of them are criminal, accidental about 20 and the rest suicide. Thugs armed with knives and guns are looking for provocation and purpose, they pose a clear and obvious risk to civilians. Police can't tell if there is a maniac in a car or someone taking fright, they wouldn't have known in this instance he was a recidivist, they didn't know it was a stolen car as it ran the RBT. Hostage situations are usually talked out, not solved by barrage. Culling citizens because they don't play ball is dehumanising our culture and that is truely twisted. Who next, the school yard bully... kill him before he grows up and causes mayhem, abort the foetus because his dad is a crim, napalm Broady, pack the poor off in wood ships to penal colonies, |
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That is true but we are not talking about just one person are we? Such a system is not controlling anyone, it is passive until you "need it". Most would forget it is there but be thankful it is if their car is ever caught. I know I would have liked it being fitted the second time my Grp A was stolen and the police chased it half the night. Anyway, just an idea, I am not going to sell it. It would be good seeing some other serious ideas that do not involve rocket launchers (sorry 4V Man, I don't think the public will like that one ![]() ![]()
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Re the comment that there are 4x the number of chases in NSW per capita than LA - I would suggest the consequences in LA are much higher. |
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You run = loss of licence for life driving without licence = manditory gaol term work the people in gaol to cover part of the cost of incarceration Where's a Gulag when you need one
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They don't chase and the offender crashes into innocent people and everyone would say where were the police.
They do chase and the offender crashes into innocent people and you have people say they shouldn't of chased. You can't win, even though the result is the same. You have to remember that when police are pursuing offenders, THEIR LIFE is also on the line too. I don't think they make this decision lightly. |
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Abort chase mr plod, if and when you do catch the criminal , convictions = theft of a motor vehicle (value = who really cares) wreckless driving, dangerous driving, resisting arrest, failure to stop etc. Hardly worth the risk of a fatality.
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if they do stop chasing then wouldnt every lowlife do a runner..... speed off kill someone torch the car .... mmmmmmmm off scott free . that does not work ither
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Rather then doing long draw out chases give the police the power to shoot the crap out of the engine wheels and driver to stop the chase immediately a high powered assault rifle should solve the problem of runners and innocent people being killed.
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Keep in mind, the police had called off the chase when this accident happened - the idiot probably would have been speeding anyway - he did blow past the RBT at speed in the first place, so chances are the accident would have happened had the police not taken up the chase in the first place. The driver was 3 six packs short of a case, so dangerous to anyone and everyone, as we all found out.
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sort of like "So this is how Liberty dies, with thunderous applause" |
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If someone had a HWP behind them lights on, and they wonder how long its been there, and if its now a "chase" and they face 10 years jail, I can bet they would start to do unrational things
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I think our police could learn a lot from the American highway patrol - they should look at their systems and talk to their cops and maybe adopt some of their regulations and training.
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They are checking for drugs and explosives... Usually have a drug dog with them also.. I was amassed at the amount of guys with driver handcuffed 20m in front of car while interviewing his passengers behind the car... This was on most state boarders, mainly east states...
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Every chase involving choppers ive seen the morons drive harder trying to get away
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Second off - the UK system is very "hands on"; apart from their high use of spike strips, many of the various police units in the UK use what techniques known as "controlled stops" where they will purposefully hit, or clip the offending vehicle to cause it to stop (or crash). |
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I agree with this and we could blend this in with Geckos suggestion Police - Driver is attempting to get away at high speed Control - Negioate with driver and advise not to travel at high speed Police - Negioation sent at 1000 metres per second Police - Negioation concluded Control - Nice shot As for a serious answer I think its difficult issue thats needs to be looked at in case by case scenario - But Police should have the right to be able to uphold the law. If Police were not allowed to chase how many more drivers would run and put all of us at risk. Question if police were no longer able to chase would the driver in question abide by the road rules? I think not - they were already doing something wrong to attract police attention in the first place.
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/forme...0103-lnda.html The current Coroner Mary Jerram is considered by many to be anti police.http://archive.lee.greens.org.au/ind.../view/1254/87/ NSW have a shi&load more chases than LA? Maybe because the definition of a chase is different to LA. http://www.pursuit.com.au/pursuit-ar...ursuit-policy/ Took me 5 mins to look this up but hey, I wanted to make an informed contribution to the debate. The internet, giving a voice to the uninformed and uneducated since 1983. |
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This story takes another turn.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/lo ... 84630.aspx Crash victim faced car theft charges BY NOEL TOWELL, LEGAL AFFAIRS REPORTER 24 Mar, 2010 08:24 AM Canberra man Scott Oppelaar was on bail facing car theft charges when he and his family were killed by serial joyrider Justin Williams in Saturday night's horror car smash. The day before his death, Oppelaar had been ordered by a court to stay away from girlfriend Samantha Ford, who died beside him in the wreckage of their car along with the couple's three-month old son Brody. Williams, 23, died in Canberra Hospital soon after the accident on Canberra Avenue in Narrabundah just after 10pm on Saturday and his passenger and girlfriend, 18-year-old Skye Webbe, is still fighting for her life in the hospital and was described last night as being in a serious but stable condition. Like Williams, Oppelaar had a lengthy criminal history going back to his teenage years with many convictions for driving offences and stolen cars, and like the killer driver, who he knew well, Oppelaar also had car theft charges before the courts when tragedy struck on Saturday night. Williams was driving a stolen Mazda 626 and being chased by NSW Police northbound along Canberra Avenue on Saturday night when he smashed into the Mazda 3 occupied by the troubled couple and their infant child. Police say they had broken off the chase before Williams drove through a red light at the junction of the Monaro Highway at an estimated speed of 150km/h and destroyed Opelaar's car. Oppelaar, who used the alias Scott Raymond Mills, spent Thursday night, the second last night of his life, in police cells after being arrested for smashing up a car belonging to his girlfriend and was granted bail on strict conditions the following morning. He was also charged with riding in a stolen motor vehicle. Oppelaar's lengthy adult criminal history, going back to 1994 when he was 18, was remarkably similar to that of the man who killed him and his family. Oppelaar had been sentenced for numerous traffic offences, including riding in stolen cars, driving while disqualified, driving unregistered and uninsured vehicles. He also had convictions for common assault, burglary, trespass and furious and reckless driving and possessing stolen property. Ms Ford was a convicted drug dealer and was last dealt with in the courts last year for possessing ammunition, trafficking in controlled substances and possession of controlled substances. |
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Hmmm...if it weren't for the fact that an innocent infants' life has been taken prematurely in such a senseless and needless tragedy, I would suggest that, that is poetic justice. Mind you, still does not detract from the fact that all WILLIAMS had to do was man up and pull over.
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Wonder what ever happened to De mortuis nil nisi bonum
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