Covid 19 -

[Tassie f100]

I have been a bit of a fence sitter on this vaccination thing,not being able to decide whether it is or isn’t the answer.Now it seems that Scomo says it will never be manadatory but the state Govt,s are making their own back door rules to basically make it mandatory by closing more and more establishments no go unless fully vaccinated.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Polyal

LOL I had to google WOKE, no idea what that was/is.

Just booked in for my jab finally, if I wanted Pfizer then it was a 4 week wait, AZ ok to go next week. It didnt seem to effect the old man who isnt a picture of health so we will see how it goes.

I see that the name for the AstraZeneca vaccine has now been changed to Vaxzevria in Australia, to align it with the name used in Europe. Not sure what the shortened name for it will be. but there's been a few suggestions on the ABC Covid blog this morning.

I think my fave is Vaccas, but that could cause some issues if someone mishears it

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT August 19th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

747 new cases for Australia and 2 deaths so the CMR is 2.336%. NSW sets another daily case high with 684.

18 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.884%.

The UK had a higher 36,273 cases yesterday and higher 113 deaths for a CMR of 2.055%.

A higher 162,341 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 1,854 deaths sees CMR at 1.686%.

Other notable points:
Asia passes 67M cases;

Brunei (190);
Saint Martin (381) - weekly reported
Sri Lanka (3,806);
Guatemala (5,826);
Guadeloupe (8,157) - weekly reported;
Vietnam (10,654);
Malaysia (22,948);
Japan (23,918); and
Mexico (28,953)

... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

The United Kingdom and Nigeria move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and Spain drops below.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Pollies can't tell cops what to do. They set the rules and police enforce it how they best see fit. No different to last year. Haven't heard of anyone getting fined for being in a park not breaking rules.

Sky news tweeted a rumour that choppers were being sent to parks, hovering above telling parents to leave. It turned out to be a lie. VicPol responded to the tweet and they had to delete it. Too many lies being spread.

They provide rules that the police must then enforce.

The police association would not have come out against it if they weren’t being directed to do it by the government. You must be incredibly naive to believe that pollies have no sway in police operations.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....98b5deed%3famp


Probably behind a paywall, but you can read the first paragraph. Clearly the police were directed to do it.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They provide rules that the police must then enforce.

The police association would not have come out against it if they weren’t being directed to do it by the government. You must be incredibly naive to believe that pollies have no sway in police operations.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....98b5deed%3famp


Probably behind a paywall, but you can read the first paragraph. Clearly the police were directed to do it.

Full agreeance, far from being independent from political persuasion or direction.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They provide rules that the police must then enforce.

The police association would not have come out against it if they weren’t being directed to do it by the government. You must be incredibly naive to believe that pollies have no sway in police operations.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....98b5deed%3famp


Probably behind a paywall, but you can read the first paragraph. Clearly the police were directed to do it.

Yeh behind a paywall, but Herald Sun, see what I said about Sky News / News Corp below. Maybe I am naive that way, but if people are scared to go to a park, which is allowed, because police are patrolling, then they should probably be more selective where they get their news.

I have heard the police commissioner say they are exercising their own judgement despite what gov may want. Lets see how many fines come from parks. I bet very little, unless large groups are blatantly ignoring rules.

Originally Posted by Itsme

I also did say in post #13593 Vicgov will struggle to contain it, it was only matter of time before this spreads to country Vic and I would go further to say Victoria will be in lockdown more than what people think.

Yeh its looking that way. I haven't been following the pressers. Do they say why there are so many people not isolating when infectious? Is it rule breakers? essential workers? or?

Heard something about harsher restrictions might be coming...what else can they do? ADF on the streets? Permit to leave home? 1km limit?

Some good news at least that vaccinations seems to be chugging along.

[russellw]

NSW finally came off slightly today with 646 cases which brings the actual numbers back level with the trend line in the predictive graph below.

[Warrenk]

SPC and Qantas to make covid vaccinations compulsory to work for them, now event organisers are doing the same. A stert of things to come across Australia.

Big Red Bash, Mundi Mundi Bash to require COVID-19 vaccination for 2022 events

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...gTI9qEgYrk2JEI

[FTE217]

Is there a country in the world, well lets talk a relative one with good population (not a backwater island or something with a handful of people) maintaining 0 covid and managed doing so for a long time since ?
Let the google searchs come in.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Is there a country in the world, well lets talk a relative one with good population (not a backwater island or something with a handful of people) maintaining 0 covid and managed doing so for a long time since ?
Let the google searchs come in.

North Korea, population 26m

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

North Korea, population 26m

not worth a bow and no gold star, a free world one son......western society.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Is there a country in the world, well lets talk a relative one with good population (not a backwater island or something with a handful of people) maintaining 0 covid and managed doing so for a long time since ?
Let the google searchs come in.

New Zealand

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

New Zealand

He said no backwater island or something with a handful of people, though that may count Australia out too.!!

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by tweeked

He said no backwater island or something with a handful of people, though that may count Australia out too.!!

He wants to compare Australia's response so; countries like New Zealand are obvious.

We don't need to look overseas WA has done it, Tassie; SA has done OK, Canberra up until resonantly. In fact it's just the East coast that’s fecked up.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

He wants to compare Australia's response so; countries like New Zealand are obvious.

We don't need to look overseas WA has done it, Tassie; SA has done OK, Canberra up until resonantly. In fact it's just the East coast that’s fecked up.

I would contend that both WA and NZ are similar. Melbourne and Sydney are each larger than either of them in an tiny area in comparison. WA and NZ's programs and responses are not realistic in "World" cities.

Compare the Vic and NSW results with anywhere comparable and they actually look incredibly good. Good old Australia always pulls out the "knock ourselves down" mentality. I have been guilty about it with covid. Sure we messed some thing up, but as a whole, even right now, compared to other places of commercial importance we have actually done an amazing job.

If we hit the line hard with the vaccinations we would have one of the best results in the world.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Is there a country in the world, well lets talk a relative one with good population (not a backwater island or something with a handful of people) maintaining 0 covid and managed doing so for a long time since ?
Let the google searchs come in.

New Zealand rated #1 safest place in the world
Tasmania #5

[MITCHAY]

A big factor in how we manage Covid in comparison to NZ is that we have a federal government and also the state and territory government. Over there whatever Cindy says goes. Scomo would love to have that power for better or worse but he doesn't. Numerous challenges have been upheld in court.

[MITCHAY]

The funny part is we twist ourselves into knots about our response but when you look outside Australia the states have done very well.

My thinking is that the only thing you get from looking back is a sore neck. Yes there have been issues but no point focusing on that but keep it moving. Solve the issues and do the finger pointing later.

As long as we keep the supply and vaccination rate up we should hit our targets in November in time for Christmas. All we need is for the premiers to be on the same page.

That's not so bad considering the issues we have had.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

The funny part is we twist ourselves into knots about our response but when you look outside Australia the states have done very well.

My thinking is that the only thing you get from looking back is a sore neck. Yes there have been issues but no point focusing on that but keep it moving. Solve the issues and do the finger pointing later.

As long as we keep the supply and vaccination rate up we should hit our targets in November in time for Christmas. All we need is for the premiers to be on the same page.

That's not so bad considering the issues we have had.

When we get our vaccination rate up to 80% across Australia I don't think lockdowns or border closures will cease; wait and see.
The Feds want to open up but those damn state premiers are the ones I don't trust.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Yeh behind a paywall, but Herald Sun, see what I said about Sky News / News Corp below. Maybe I am naive that way, but if people are scared to go to a park, which is allowed, because police are patrolling, then they should probably be more selective where they get their news.

I have heard the police commissioner say they are exercising their own judgement despite what gov may want. Lets see how many fines come from parks. I bet very little, unless large groups are blatantly ignoring rules.




Yeh its looking that way. I haven't been following the pressers. Do they say why there are so many people not isolating when infectious? Is it rule breakers? essential workers? or?

Heard something about harsher restrictions might be coming...what else can they do? ADF on the streets? Permit to leave home? 1km limit?

Some good news at least that vaccinations seems to be chugging along.

Blame the herald sun as much as you want, but the comments come direct from the police association. But you can’t help but continually defend dan andrews. You’ve done it this whole thread.

And they won’t fine people at parks now, cause of the backlash towards dan when he directed the police to patrol parks. I’m sure you’ll find a way to brush that over as well though.

Over 200 days of lockdown. Well done dan andrews.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by tweeked

.....
If we hit the line hard with the vaccinations we would have one of the best results in the world.

Depends how we define success. Its clear who has completely ballsed up, but I think we'll only really know who the "successful" ones are in a couple of years time, when you take into account longer term health impact of cases, number of deaths, impact on mental health, and impact to economy.

We are still in the midst of an outbreak, who knows how this will go?
Previous lock downs you could see it working, and there was an end in sight. Its getting harder and harder to see an end to the current ones. The bastards took a gamble, the horse bolted, and now we pay. This has real consequences, if people can't see an end, they lose hope.

I haven't seen one modelling or road map to suggest when these lock downs might end. We seem to be hanging all our hopes on vaccinating our way out of these lock downs, sure we will get there, but when? If we stay locked down like this another 3-6 months then I don't know if we can call that a success. Compare to the likes of HK, has a population density of 7000 persons per sq km, where everyone lives in pigeon hole high rise apartments, have managed it without mass casualties or severe prolonged lock downs.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Blame the herald sun as much as you want, but the comments come direct from the police association. But you can’t help but continually defend dan andrews. You’ve done it this whole thread.

And they won’t fine people at parks now, cause of the backlash towards dan when he directed the police to patrol parks. I’m sure you’ll find a way to brush that over as well though.

Over 200 days of lockdown. Well done dan andrews.

Directive came from the CHO. But whatever, blame the man, you've done it this whole thread. Hang him for not managing the sydney outbreak better.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Just heard that all community sport in Vic this weekend has been cancelled. Lockdown not far away, unfortunately.

E: and now 17 cases in Shepperton.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Just heard that all community sport in Vic this weekend has been cancelled. Lockdown not far away, unfortunately.

E: and now 17 cases in Shepperton.

Welcome to the party, pal! - McClane

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Itsme

When we get our vaccination rate up to 80% across Australia I don't think lockdowns or border closures will cease; wait and see.
The Feds want to open up but those damn state premiers are the ones I don't trust.

Yep that's what I meant by the premiers and CMs being on the same page. We have a national cabinet but obviously any decisions are not binding on the members.

They all supposedly agree and then do their own thing. Covid 0 was never the policy but the states have made it so.

On the flip side there have been a few times Scomo has made announcements that left the premiers and CMs in the dark. For example the expanded Pfizer rollout the other day.

Got my Phizer shot today, next one in 3 weeks.


I feel fine and i didn't even feel the needle...

[PHANTMXR6]

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

I feel fine and i didn't even feel the needle...

You sure they jabbed you

Originally Posted by PHANTMXR6

You sure they jabbed you

Yes and ?

[PHANTMXR6]

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

Yes and ?

Apologies mate, poor attempt at humour.

[DJR-351]

NSW recorded 825 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in the 24 hours to 8pm last night...

I read service NSW are now sending texts to people aged between 16-39 to allow them to get priority access to the vaccine....

Originally Posted by PHANTMXR6

Apologies mate, poor attempt at humour.

All good brother, i actually watched it lol...

Because i got my first tetanus in over 30yr's a month or so ago and i didnt feel that one either ??

My arm is a bit sore today tho'

I have been scared of needles my whole life for no reason