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xr6turbo270kw · 03-06-2012, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

Then we are interested to hear what you have to say. But as we don't know who you are and what your bonofides are how could you expect any other response. I understand if you work there then your anonimity is important, at least for now. But you must forgive other members scepticism.

So real question. Is it about to become SVT?

never judge a book by its cover.
what fords further plans are us floor staff aren't in the know regards svt.
we all need to expect the true and the fact of the matter falcon is dead.

SS_01 · 03-06-2012, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

They are still building cars till christmas... They have orders locked in and a new "special" model coming as per Barretts last report. After that who knows.

This is what i have heard also, from what i consider to be a very good source. Other than what you have said, i haven't heard any other reports.

SS_01 · 03-06-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by xr6turbo270kw

never judge a book by its cover.
what fords further plans are us floor staff aren't in the know regards svt.
we all need to expect the true and the fact of the matter falcon is dead.

Then you best be looking for a new job.
We all know that the Falcon will cease to exist passed 2016, but that is still a little while off yet. Your answer that FPR are exiting V8supercars seems a little far left field considering they have committed four cars to racing next year. I think your facts aren't entirely 100%, so maybe just deliver what you do know for all our benefit.

**Elks** · 03-06-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by xr6turbo270kw

the fact of the matter falcon is dead.

If what you're say is true, this is what will be at the heart of the matter. if the go the Taurus route thats just another Madza6/ Camry/ Accord clone.

There is no demand for an FPV taurus.

xr6turbo270kw · 03-06-2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

If what you're say is true, this is what will be at the heart of the matter. if the go the Taurus route thats just another Madza6/ Camry/ Accord clone.

There is no demand for an FPV taurus.

I'm sure once the storm settles and things move on. you never know we all might actually like what they replace it with.

XRDeeze · 03-06-2012, 01:03 AM

FPV Taurus, Taurus335, Taurus Turbo.... just sounds wrong

Chopped · 03-06-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by xr6turbo270kw

..... you never know we all might actually like what they replace it with.

Reasonably priced Mustang ?

psychoticgroove · 03-06-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by xr6turbo270kw

Fpv will be closed for business January 2013. ford/fpr will pull out of v8 supercars this was decided back in 2010 hence v8 supercars looking for new
manufactures. prodrive have pulled out of fpv and now is run by 3 head engineers. 14 floor staff where sacked this week.

If this is fact, then second hand FPV prices will shoot up!! Better get in first and buy that 335 before it becomes extinct!

**Elks** · 03-06-2012, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

Reasonably priced Mustang ?

Which will sell like hot cakes to the enthusiasts. And we wont even notice all the Tauruses (Tauri?) getting around.

Herrod Motorsport · 03-06-2012, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

Reasonably priced Mustang ?

Mustang is coming

gcg2503 · 03-06-2012, 01:18 AM

I must be the only Ford fan who despises the look of most new Mustangs!

nstg8a · 03-06-2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by psychoticgroove

If this is fact, then second hand FPV prices will shoot up!! Better get in first and buy that 335 before it becomes extinct!

like the 380 values did before mmal pulled the plug?

Herrod Motorsport · 03-06-2012, 01:21 AM

Our falcon is a better car to drive at the moment. But ford USA have some really good stuff happening , I have been tuning a new raptor in Dubai and it is one trick truck .

GTPete · 03-06-2012, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gcg2503

I must be the only Ford fan who despises the look of most new Mustangs!

Your not alone there.
Plus their missing two doors.

flooded one · 03-06-2012, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Herrod Motorsport

Mustang is coming

never know the next falcon could share its platform with mustang?? it has been mentioned before. anythings possible. I'll beleive the falcons dead when they axe it. theres been rumours about that since 1979

Iggypoppin' · 03-06-2012, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xr6turbo270kw

never judge a book by its cover.
what fords further plans are us floor staff aren't in the know regards svt.
we all need to expect the true and the fact of the matter falcon is dead.

Do you have some credentials to show that you do work for FAU?

GT 160 · 03-06-2012, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Herrod Motorsport

Mustang is coming

The GT will be looking for a new home if thats the case.

Falcon XR- · 03-06-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

Which will sell like hot cakes to the enthusiasts. And we wont even notice all the Tauruses (Tauri?) getting around.

I think Mustang will have a boarder appeal than to just enthusiasts, but this will depend on marketing and pricing. Non the less an exciting possibility!

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/

GT 160 · 03-06-2012, 09:34 AM

So im guessing if Mustang was to come to Aus it would be Miami powered instead of the US Coyote ?

Anyone know what the life span of the 5.8 is ?

Just wondering if the Miami will become Fords global supercharged 8, seems a bit odd given the road Fords heading down to drop $40 mill on an engine for just the Aus market.

SpoolMan · 03-06-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Herrod Motorsport

Mustang is coming

Miami Mustang

psychoticgroove · 03-06-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

like the 380 values did before mmal pulled the plug?

Oh what a prudent observation, why didn't I think of that?

clearly in your eyes the 380 is (or was) as desirable as the GT 335 yeah? Hmmmm what could it be.... the grandma-ish looks, the put-you-to-sleep interiors or the 16 sec quarter mile....

Kryton · 03-06-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by psychoticgroove

Oh what a prudent observation, why didn't I think of that?

clearly in your eyes the 380 is (or was) as desirable as the GT 335 yeah? Hmmmm what could it be.... the grandma-ish looks, the put-you-to-sleep interiors or the 16 sec quarter mile....

Just because something isnt made any more, doesnt mean it will automatically go up in value.
By your theory, 5.4ltr GT's should be going up in value - since they dont make them anymore.
If whatever replaces the 335 is better, it wont hold its value any differently than any other Ford based product.

nstg8a · 03-06-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by psychoticgroove

Oh what a prudent observation, why didn't I think of that?

clearly in your eyes the 380 is (or was) as desirable as the GT 335 yeah? Hmmmm what could it be.... the grandma-ish looks, the put-you-to-sleep interiors or the 16 sec quarter mile....

given the 380 sold some 30000 units do you really think the gt/gs is going to sell that many?

desirable? clearly if the 335 was desirable to people other than ford/car enthusiasts we wouldnt be having this thread now would we.

given that fpv sold less than 2000 cars last year it could well be that by the time the plug is finally pulled history may show the 5.0 fpv's to well have been less 'desirable' than a grandma'ish 380... ironic really.

theres a few similarities between the two, ie both are decent cars that deserve to sell better than what they are/did, but due to stigma/media bashing people are/were avoiding.
both really are make or break models for the respective companies.
obviously fpv dont expect to sell 30000 units, nor would they need to, but im sure 2000 units a year is a long way short of where they would like to be.

Whitey-AMG · 03-06-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Miami Mustang

Yep

They have to shift those Miami engines somehow and get their return.
Will be interesting to see how this turns out. New mustangs look tough but may appeal to a smaller demographic than the 4 door falc body.

I wonder what mustang Motorsport in ferntreegully make of all this ?

Whitey-AMG · 03-06-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

given the 380 sold some 30000 units do you really think the gt/gs is going to sell that many?

desirable? clearly if the 335 was desirable to people other than ford/car enthusiasts we wouldnt be having this thread now would we.

given that fpv sold less than 2000 cars last year it could well be that by the time the plug is finally pulled history may show the 5.0 fpv's to well have been less 'desirable' than a grandma'ish 380... ironic really.

theres a few similarities between the two, ie both are decent cars that deserve to sell better than what they are/did, but due to stigma/media bashing people are/were avoiding.
both really are make or break models for the respective companies.
obviously fpv dont expect to sell 30000 units, nor would they need to, but im sure 2000 units a year is a long way short of where they would like to be.

The issue here in AU is that we are over saturated. The 335 is easily the most desirable FPV vehicle made to date. The issue is that the niche market for these vehicles isnt expanding. The take up of new models is reliant on a lot of repeat business.......this basically slashes your sales figures.

The problem as I see it is that the Miami engine should have been available in FG from the get go. If you look at the number of the old 5.4 L. 315 and 302 FG's that were sold ....you get the picture

The release of the GS Miami was FPV's initial cry out for help ......by this time - we had all become cynical and were whingeing about its sparse interior and crappy brakes. In hindsight it may have been a better option to release a stripped out GT. an up spec GTP and a limited run GT-H with a slightly up spec motor output.

FG2 should have been more about intercooled performance and suspension tweaks.....

I wonder how HSV are feeling about this....the irony must be killing them. FPV have delivered the hammer blow with Miami and now they must be laughing how the best engine ever built in Australia is now causing its maker to struggle

stalker · 03-06-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Miami Mustang

tell ya what if they sold this with out being insainly priced (which wouldnt happen) i was looking at maybe buying a GT next year but doesnt look good :p the price of new top of the line cars (fpv etc) is killing it for the average person i would love a new 335 gt but i cant pull that sort of money with out some bloody hard work inbetween.

flappist · 03-06-2012, 11:51 AM

I remember back in 1980 when the demise of the Kingswood was announced and Holden went to a global platform, the strange Commodore thing from Opel.

Doom, gloom, the end of Australian Holdens, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Commodore seems to have done alright though.

If in 2016 the current vehicle we know as the Falcon is finally end of lifed and a new global platform takes its place we are possibly in a strong position to make the RHD versions for export to RHD countries.

All things end but rather than grieve maybe we should look forward to the next generation of "Son of Falcon" with anticipation.

Take all the good features from Mondeo, Taurus, Mustang, Focus and Falcon and apply them to the Ford "Messiah". What an amazing vehicle that would be........

GT 160 · 03-06-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by stalker

tell ya what if they sold this with out being insainly priced (which wouldnt happen) i was looking at maybe buying a GT next year but doesnt look good :p the price of new top of the line cars (fpv etc) is killing it for the average person i would love a new 335 gt but i cant pull that sort of money with out some bloody hard work inbetween.

I agree, the only reason i bought mine was the fact i picked it up for under $55k with only 3000k's i would never have bought one if i was paying rrp. Take away the engine and for $70k+ they really are poverty pack inside, i'll probably get flamed for saying it but seriously the interior of the GT etc does not fit with a $70k+ motor vehicle.

Anyway, ot rant over.

**Elks** · 03-06-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GT 160

I agree, the only reason i bought mine was the fact i picked it up for under $55k with only 3000k's i would never have bought one if i was paying rrp. Take away the engine and for $70k+ they really are poverty pack inside, i'll probably get flamed for saying it but seriously the interior of the GT etc does not fit with a $70k+ motor vehicle.

Anyway, ot rant over.

OK so Take away the nice interior and you just turned an Audi A4 into a Corolla..

Or you can have the Euro bling & gimzo's with the GT's grunt its called a C63 and its $170K

What your point.

Kryton · 03-06-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Elks

OK so Take away the nice interior and you just turned an Audi A4 into a Corolla..

Or you can have the Euro bling & gimzo's with the GT's grunt its called a C63 and its $170K

What your point.

I would have thought the point was pretty clear.
Price the vehicle realistically and it would have sold a shed load more.
Had it been sub 60k - sales figures would have been a lot more.
Sure, you can carry on all day about "what else can you get for 75k" - who cares what else you can get for 75k when people arent willing to put their hand in their pocket as they see it as being too expensive.
You can sell stuff all for a lot or you can sell a lot for stuff all.
One makes better business sense than the other and the sooner people start to realise this, the better.