Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[nstg8a]

In all reality, it's probably more theorising and guesswork... But isn't it worth having alook?

Why was the eyewitness account of a burning passenger jet discounted?



https://www.metabunk.org/threads/deb...nd-mh370.3558/

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

You can be as condescending as you want, doesn't change the fact that not one bit of evidence has been found by your experts.

Or the ones on here

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Or the ones on here

Touché

[Romulus]

It's remarkable not one item of flotsam of MH370 has shown up. Statements from the government saying all debris would have sunk is incorrect. If the aircraft crashed at sea there would be floating debris. It either has to wash up on the coast of WA or the coast of east Africa.

Maybe the SAR is in the wrong area.

[nstg8a]

One thing it's made abundantly clear is just how much crap is floating in our oceans.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by F6 Concorde

It's remarkable not one item of flotsam of MH370 has shown up. Statements from the government saying all debris would have sunk is incorrect. If the aircraft crashed at sea there would be floating debris. It either has to wash up on the coast of WA or the coast of east Africa.

Maybe the SAR is in the wrong area.

Considering the SAR is largely based on doppler effect calculations, supposedly performed by a bunch of lads from the UK, I wonder what would happen if one of these lads used a -ve integer value instead of +ve? It wouldn't be the first or last time for a calculation to go wrong.

As for the now defunct "pings" which miraculous got detected within 48 hours of the black box battery being exhausted, that is a little too convenient and suspicious don't ya all think?

[ltd]

Some data based on actual radar returns and how we ended up looking in the Indian Ocean.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

You can be as condescending as you want, doesn't change the fact that not one bit of evidence has been found by your experts.

That we've been told about...

[Romulus]

Was the flight tracked west of Sumatra?

[bungarra]

It was taken by Aliens who then gave it to the Israeli's who then landed it in Afghanistan. The aliens left false pingers in the southern Indian Ocean for their amusement.

Just remember how long it took them to find the black box on the AF flight that blew up mid air and they knew where that went down.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by ltd

Some data based on actual radar returns and how we ended up looking in the Indian Ocean.

I was under the impression that after it left Malaysian airspace that no actual radar tracked the flight path. Those final paths and SAR grids are based on theorised ACARS trajectories.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by bungarra

Just remember how long it took them to find the black box on the AF flight that blew up mid air and they knew where that went down.

If you are referring to AF 447 that went down in the Atlantic between South America and Africa (on its way to Europe), then the general consensus is that the aircraft did not blow up, rather the aircraft stalled after it lost altitude information due to blocked pitot tubes and the less experienced second officer (who was partially the pilot in command at the time) kept the nose up, causing the aircraft to remain in the stall and losing height until such time as it impacted the ocean.

But you are right: it took approximately 2 years for investigators to locate the CDRs and that was with a relatively well known last position (but not fully known). I think you'll find the search area was still rather large, but no where near as large as for MH370.

Craig H

[ltd]

Originally Posted by cheap

I was under the impression that after it left Malaysian airspace that no actual radar tracked the flight path. Those final paths and SAR grids are based on theorised ACARS trajectories.

Yes and no.
There is little acars data logged by the manufacturer of both the airframe and the engines. It is specific to function and not focused on location like the actual airline specified acars.
The possible locations are triangulated from various satellite data as to potential routes taken.
As for the radar responses, they are unidentified returns on various radars which they've plotted to coincide with the limited manufacturers data.

What it says is, you can expect the aircraft to be in the vicinity of where they are looking - but these things take time.
The pictures in an earlier post of a whole airframe with engines are very unlikely; simply put whilst it is very doubtful the airframe landed at night on the water and didn't break up, there is no way the engines would have stayed on the wings. Once they hit the water they would have torn off the wing, as they are much lower than the underside of the fuselage, and would act as parachutes. This is way beyond the design limits for the mounts, which are designed to break off after exceeding a certain load specifically to prevent wing damage.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by ltd

Yes and no.
.
The pictures in an earlier post of a whole airframe with engines are very unlikely; simply put whilst it is very doubtful the airframe landed at night on the water and didn't break up, there is no way the engines would have stayed on the wings. Once they hit the water they would have torn off the wing, as they are much lower than the underside of the fuselage, and would act as parachutes. This is way beyond the design limits for the mounts, which are designed to break off after exceeding a certain load specifically to prevent wing damage.

Didn't the wings stay on the US Airways Flight 1549 that landed in the Hudson?

[nstg8a]

Hudson was calm, and flown in so gently it's not funny lol.

If, and it's a big if, it went down in the Indian Ocean it could well have slammed into 10m swells. Practically no chance of a graceful ditching there.

[wozman]

If they find the black boxes I bet there is nothing usfull on them

[Gaz]

Originally Posted by ltd

Some data based on actual radar returns and how we ended up looking in the Indian Ocean.

Based on those locations, and a post from earlier in the thread I wonder if JORN may have tracked anything??

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by bungarra

Didn't the wings stay on the US Airways Flight 1549 that landed in the Hudson?

Day time into the Hudson River and night time into the Indian Ocean, huge difference there

[futura]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Day time into the Hudson River and night time into the Indian Ocean, huge difference there

Maybe, but this might explain why the plane was flying for hours, maybe to find calm seas to land plane in one piece??

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Day time into the Hudson River and night time into the Indian Ocean, huge difference there

plane was still flying at 08:19am so it would've been daylight when it crashed.

[xxx000]

Apologies my mistake

[Peter B - CV8]

Here's one for the conspiracy theorists. The plane landed in Afghanistan & has now been buried in a CIA controlled mudslide.....

[TRAU BLAU]

Looks like Tony Abbot has given up too.To save on the Big Budget!

[cheap]

I think the cost of the SAR is being met by Australia, Malaysia and Chna.

Also the SAR is being scaled back and run out of Canberra - I think the mystery will slowly but surely slip out of the news and be forgotten about, all so very convenient.

[XBROO]

What are you guys talking about? What plane?

[Franco Cozzo]

Easter egg hunt off the coast of WA, looking for the easter bunny.

[steve.zissou]

Originally Posted by XWGT

Stolen nuclear materials...........Of Diego Russia.......on a domestic airliner......via domestic security..........that has gone from Russia........south to Malaysia.....and then back north to China..........

Sure makes perfect sense...no holes in that logic

Yeah, but I find law and order episodes to easy - I think I must be gifted or something because I can solve them in the first two minutes (re runs are even easier). This mystery is a bit trickier and I like the challenge.
At the moment I am researching the radar capabilities Of Diego Garcia, for some reason I think they might have noticed a large plane flying in their vicinity (being a top secret base with nothing else close by)

[cheap]

Originally Posted by steve.zissou

Yeah, but I find law and order episodes to easy - I think I must be gifted or something because I can solve them in the first two minutes (re runs are even easier). This mystery is a bit trickier and I like the challenge.
At the moment I am researching the radar capabilities Of Diego Garcia, for some reason I think they might have noticed a large plane flying in their vicinity (being a top secret base with nothing else close by)

Land based radar range (not over the horizon) is in the order of 200-250nm. If the US or Australia had a airborne radar (AWACS) in the air then the range is about 500nm. Given Diego is literally in the middle of nowhere and with no immediate threats it would be unusual for an AWACS to be in the air, but if there was it would be there for a reason...

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by steve.zissou

....snip... Diego Garcia...snip...(being a top secret base ...snip...

I'd hardly call Diego Garcia a "top secret" base. Just because people hadn't heard of it at all before MH370 doesn't make it a top secret location.

Even wikipedia has info on it and you can plainly see it on google maps.......

Craig H

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

I'd hardly call Diego Garcia a "top secret" base. Just because people hadn't heard of it at all before MH370 doesn't make it a top secret location.

Even wikipedia has info on it and you can plainly see it on google maps.......

Craig H

And probably has dozens of stationary satellite's watching it 24/7