Covid 19 -

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Given your (and your families) circumstances, would it be worthwhile going into self-isolation, Bent? I know that's a painful process, but it certainly seems like you have all the symptoms, and the risks associated with you having it are pretty high, by the sounds of it.

Your only other choice is to get tested again, but that also exposes other people and potentially spreads it further whilst doing so, especially at one of the mobile testing sites which seem well patronised atm.

Agreed, not painful though really as we we're proactive the first time around back in March where we isolated for a month voluntarily.
Iv'e been off work this week and just heard that all our bookings have been cancelled so nothing to go back to anyway.
You're right with regards to the testing situation, from what i saw on Monday im actually surprised there hasn't been more cases.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Didn't the inventor of the pcr test say its not the appropriate test for CV19?

So much fake news being thrown around these days it's hard to know what to believe.

Not sure about that but from what i'd heard the swabs are meant to be taken from way back in throat and nose and this is what i was expecting on Monday so i was surprised when the nasal swab barely went in. I went in with my Son so not only did i experience it myself i watched it done on him and didnt think his nasal swab was inserted far at all either.

I dont know what ive got but its unlike anything ive had before, one minute i think im feeling better and the next im feeling crap but the cough, sore throat and headache is constant.

[Trevor 57]

My wife tells me that Vic are testing on the S.A. border as people come into Vict, given the low numbers so far, probably a good thing instead of shutting the borders. I am not sure what sort of testing, full swab or just temperature

[peaterj]

I live pretty close to the Hollywood Plaza hot zone, although i haven't been there for over a month .I don't have any symptoms so i'm not bothering to get tested even though i'm in the older age category.
Had to take cancer dog to the vet this morning for a check up , they had chairs spaced around the carpark all the staff were wearing masks only one person at a time was allowed in.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT November 17th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

10 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.267% while active cases rise to 1,349. NSW recorded 4 cases while Queensland recorded 1 and SA recorded 5 cases.

4 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.247% and active cases rise to 61.

The UK had a lower 20,051 cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 598 deaths.

Just over 162.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 767 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.190% and active cases rise to 37% with the raw numbers rising and now over 4.2M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global deaths set a new daily record of 10,230;
Africa passes 2M cases;
Oceania passes 1,000 deaths;
The USA completes 171M, India 126M, UK 39M and Portugal 4M tests.

Albania (694);
Algeria (1,002);
Palestine (1,068) - 20% above the previous high;
Bulgaria (4,828);
Serbia (4,994) - 32% above the previous high;
Jordan (6,454); and
Iran (13,352)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[BENT_8]

SA press conference live now, going hard on shutdowns.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by prydey

Really?

Nurses and doctors have managed to get it even wearing full ppe kit. It's just one of those things that you can't protect against 100%.

Yes really,

Exactly even more reason for them to take control and isolate them on Christmas Island or the NT quarantine station they converted.
At least out there they can not go home, they can not visit their friends, they can not go to the shops, they can not go out the front of the building and share cigarettes and best of all they can not spread it around a local community if its miles from anywhere.

They chose not to come back when they were told to do so early in March, they should expect the conquences.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

My wife tells me that Vic are testing on the S.A. border as people come into Vict, given the low numbers so far, probably a good thing instead of shutting the borders. I am not sure what sort of testing, full swab or just temperature

Yeah but what about the ones who came here earlier ?? from what I heard they were only testing airport arrivals or from now on at the border.
They are expecting people to self isolate but we all know how well that works.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

My wife tells me that Vic are testing on the S.A. border as people come into Vict, given the low numbers so far, probably a good thing instead of shutting the borders. I am not sure what sort of testing, full swab or just temperature

That's not what this article is reporting, Trev:

Truck drivers entering Victoria from its western border will be requested to undergo testing from Thursday when the first checkpoint opens in Nhill, Victorian Health Minister Martin Foley announced.

But Mr Foley has conceded there was "absolutely nothing" stopping SA drivers from entering Victoria without health screening, despite those checks being mandatory for all air arrivals.

"Not at the moment because the risk criteria says that that's not necessary," Mr Foley told radio station 3AW on Wednesday morning. "These things are a lot more manageable at airports."

"We are very much relying on South Australia's good will."

[prydey]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

They chose not to come back when they were told to do so early in March, they should expect the conquences.

This is a bit short sighted. Yes, some maybe chose not to but many didn't have a choice.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

SA press conference live now, going hard on shutdowns.

Yep, SA into a Vic style lockdown for 6 days from midnight tonight.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/coron...38895e7a400dcf

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by prydey

This is a bit short sighted. Yes, some maybe chose not to but many didn't have a choice.

Yes harsh, in your opinion.

March was a long time ago now.
I put this on par with Jan/Feb this year, tourists were repeatedly told NOT to travel to high risk fire regions along the Victorian, Gippsland coast but did anyone listen, nope they had to evaquate around 5000 people who were not supposed to be there.

[ford71V8]

OK so its officially crazy out there.
Cars everywhere, including my side of the road, lines of people outside every shop and bottle-o.

Listening to the radio people are buying up supplies like its the last chance to ever eat again

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

That's not what this article is reporting, Trev:

ooohhhhh, ****, here we go again

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

OK so its officially crazy out there.
Cars everywhere, including my side of the road, lines of people outside every shop and bottle-o.

Listening to the radio people are buying up supplies like its the last chance to ever eat again

I have heard dunny paper is goooooonnneee

[LG17]

This SA outbreak is a different strain again.
Supposedly you catch it much faster than the other strains around.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

ooohhhhh, ****, here we go again

Only fair given the number of dirty vics we've had to deal with

Probably a Victorian that started this outbreak.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I have heard dunny paper is goooooonnneee

Saw evidence of that a couple of days ago

[Tickford.]

SA goes into lockdown from midnight. Nothing stopping SA's entering VIC via road.
What could possibly happen at the border I wonder?


But tennis players might not be allowed into VIC next month for the lead up tournaments to the Aus Open?? Hmmm...

Mr Andrews, don't f**k this up. Close the border to SA NOW!

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

SA goes into lockdown from midnight. Nothing stopping SA's entering VIC via road.
What could possibly happen at the border I wonder? image


But tennis players might not be allowed into VIC next month for the lead up tournaments to the Aus Open?? Hmmm...

Mr Andrews, don't f**k this up. Close the border to SA NOW!

Do I get a hint of no confidence in you towards your beloved leader Daniel Andrews by leaving the border open.

[Mulva]

Without stockpiling I just happen to already have all my prescriptions recently filled, plenty of grog and enough food in the fridge for a couple of days - and supermarkets will remain open - so what to do from here?

Do I just place on online order for Wollies to deliver something Friday to get me through?

Or do I claim I have sovereign citizen rights as a traveler under maritime law, and I am not a corporation that has entered into a legal contract of obligation with the SA government, and therefore **** is just like Barley's and rules 'n stuff don't apply to me?

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Do I get a hint of no confidence in you towards your beloved leader Daniel Andrews by leaving the border open.

No, wrong. I have no confidence in those dirty South Australians doing as they've been asked and staying put.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Do I get a hint of no confidence in you towards your beloved leader Daniel Andrews by leaving the border open.

Mark McGowan's presser this morning was a beauty!! Held back nothing. I'm trying to find the video but it doesn't seem to have been posted anywhere.

He said NSW strategy is to let the virus in then track and trace. WA strategy is to keep the virus out. MM believes WA strategy is much better than NSW strategy

Also smashed the federal MPs and opposition for their treatment of Dan.

Said he has faith the SA premier will follow medical and expert advice, rather than federal MPs

The decision to keep Vic open could be linked to national logistics. I'm hearing a lot of supplies, including food, pass through Victoria. For what reasons I don't know. That could be a reason why there is hesitation to close the borders.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The decision to keep Vic open could be linked to national logistics. I'm hearing a lot of supplies, including food, pass through Victoria. For what reasons I don't know. That could be a reason why there is hesitation to close the borders.

Most East-West transport usually pass through the top end of Vic between Renmark and Mildura.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by LG17

This SA outbreak is a different strain again.
Supposedly you catch it much faster than the other strains around.

they been trying to tell the rest of us that for years
that they are different better faster , them SA'ers

[FairmontGS]

I stayed at that peppers hotel about 10 times last year on business. Nice place apart from the zombies...

SA’s test and trace is obviously as weak as Victoria’s was if they have to shut down so drastically.


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[MITCHAY]

While there is some good news on the efficacy of the vaccines, it is probably at least 1-2 years away until we can rely on that.

In the meantime I don't think it is wise to do this whole shutdown/open up thing regularly either. So where do we balance it out?

I know we have a national cabinet where we do have consensus on how to deal with generally but it appears the test, trace and quarantine procedures differ between states and territories and for me they should be consistent.

In my thinking that makes borders less an issue if it is consistent but am I wrong or over simplifying it?

Thank **** we live here though where there has at least been attempts in good faith to get on the same page despite some bickering in contrast to the US.

Like them we are a federation and while their situation is indeed complicated by 50 states in comparison there seems to be no real attempt made at all.

1m cases a week at the moment which with a CMR between 2-4% = 20-40k could die for every week that trend continues.

Whatever is going on here pales in comparison

[Tickford.]

LOL at SA. VIC had the toughest restrictions in Australia. SA as usual, got all jelly and said no no we can't have that. WE want the record of having the toughest restrictions in Australia.

Poor SA. They try so hard.

[Citroënbender]

I went to Woolies tonight, partly to see if the SA panic buying had rubbed off in NSW at all. Patronage slightly up but more notable was an elevated amount of online order filling.

[Tickford.]

The latest Murdoch media (Herald Sun) vs VIC government story doing the rounds is a photo of Brett Sutton (VIC CHO), at Bright, on a picnic rug, but get this... he is apparently breaking his own rules by not wearing a mask!!



FMD! Could these cockroaches for journalists get any worse?