Covid 19 -

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

what are some of you going to do if the inquiry finds that Andrews played no role in the Hotel Quarantine fiasco, if it all happened without his knowledge?

That ****ant O'Brien will wet himself if it does go that way

If that was the case then Dan Andrews failed miserly as a Premier of Victoria and should resign!
Remember Dan said he is ultimately responsible being Premier.

[Trevor 57]

they can't be charged with OHS manslaughter and good luck bringing charges against the Crimes Act for manslaughter - it just won't happen so people need to stop dreaming

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by cheap

Wait for the findings from the inquiry, IMO one of two things will happen:

a) Andrews/others significantly involved/responsible. gross mismanagement, manslaughter, professional misconduct?

b) Andrews/others are incompetent F-wits, slap on the wrist

Given that +800 people died, and if no one goes to jail, the Fed's will call for a royal commission.

there will be no manslaughter charges

the Government can't be sacked

so stop dreaming

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT November 12th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

13 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.274% while active cases rise to 1,328. NSW recorded 5, WA & Queensland 3 each and SA recorded 1 case. Victoria reported no new cases for the last 24 hours for the 13th consecutive day.

3 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.256% and active cases rise to 53.

The UK had a new record 34,270 cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 563 deaths.

Just over 144k new cases (a new record) in the USA yesterday and 1,479 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.310% and active cases rise to 35.6% with the raw numbers rising and now over 3.8M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 53M with the last 1M taking 1 day;
Global cases set a new daily high of 632,966, ~10k above the previous;
Europe passes 13M cases;
North America sets a new daily high of 157,900 (11/11);
The USA completes 163M, India 121M, Russia 66M, Italy 18M and Denmark 6M tests.

Latvia (533);
Norway (717);
Algeria (851) - the previous high on July 24th;
Belarus (1,098);
Moldova (1,331);
Croatia (3,082);
Georgia (3,120);
Greece (3,316) - 14% above the previous high;
Canada (5,516) - 19% above the previous high;
Morocco (6,195);
Austria (9,262) - 12% above the previous high;
Ukraine (11,057);
Germany (23,462);
United Kingdom (34,270) - 27% above the previous high;
the USA (144,289) on 11/11;

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[Polyal]

It is even staggering to think the systems are set up to find 140k people a day. Big country I get it but still pretty mind blowing.

[Bossxr8]

It's simply mind blowing that the Andrews government screw ups resulted in over 800 people dying. Yet lap dogs still claim it's got nothing to do with him.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's simply mind blowing that the Andrews government screw ups resulted in over 800 people dying. Yet lap dogs still claim it's got nothing to do with him.

where was that said?

In one breath your are talking about Andrews Government then you talk about 'him', either talk about one or the other, Andrews Government is made up of hundreds of people

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's simply mind blowing that the Andrews government screw ups resulted in over 800 people dying. Yet lap dogs still claim it's got nothing to do with him.

... while the other side of the political divide call for a lynching just like the old days. I though only America had red-necks but clearly we have some too.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by russellw

... while the other side of the political divide call for a lynching just like the old days. I though only America had red-necks but clearly we have some too.

ours are called 'bogan's



As a side note, the origins of the term 'red-neck' is not quite what people think it is

[Citroënbender]

In Africa; rooinek meant an English colonial, as opposed to Boers and Boetjies. In the eyes of Afrikaners and the like, an outsider.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's simply mind blowing that the Andrews government screw ups resulted in over 800 people dying. Yet lap dogs still claim it's got nothing to do with him.

It could be worse. Imagine if Trump was the Victorian premier!!!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by cs123

It could be worse. Imagine if Trump was the Victorian premier!!!

At least he wouldn't sell out to the chinese. Would love to know andrew's intentions by signing that belt and road agreement

[wodahs]

donno on that one , recon its possible trump would if it suited his cause so still unsure if he is/isnt
now if it were the russians he'd do it in a hart beat for his mate Vlad , even the russians are surprised at trumps loss , after all their help n all

[T3rminator]

Going by the latest Morgan poll and the comments on this thread, it would seem we have a pretty good representation of the Vic population on this forum.


Victorian ALP (58.5%) streaks ahead of L-NP (41.5%). Premier Daniel Andrews approval jumps 12% to 71%
November 12 2020

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8...0-202011111454

The similarities in comments are not far off either.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Going by the latest Morgan poll and the comments on this thread, it would seem we have a pretty good representation of the Vic population on this forum.


Victorian ALP (58.5%) streaks ahead of L-NP (41.5%). Premier Daniel Andrews approval jumps 12% to 71%
November 12 2020

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8...0-202011111454

The similarities in comments are not far off either.

Nah mate, the labour supporters are just the loud ones

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

At least he wouldn't sell out to the chinese. Would love to know andrew's intentions by signing that belt and road agreement

There'd be no one left to care about any selling out.....

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

At least he wouldn't sell out to the chinese. Would love to know andrew's intentions by signing that belt and road agreement

I would love to know ScoMo & Co's intentions in leasing the Darwin Port to the Chinese

I would love to know why ScoMo & Co borrowed Chinese money for JobKeeper and JobSeeker payments during COVID-19

I would love to know why ScoMo & Co paid $30 million for a plot of land in Western Sydney that is valued at $3million


I could go on, but you get the point, plus I am not sure what this has to do with COVID-19

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

At least he wouldn't sell out to the chinese.

no, all the people in aged care would be dead, the hospitals would have no space left with all the beds and ICU's filled up with COVID patients, no room for heart attack victims, road accident victims etc, but you get my point

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Nah mate, the labour supporters are just the loud ones

some on here need to go and do a bit of hard labour for a while to get a grip on reality

[Trevor 57]

earlier this was talk of Andrews being charged with Manslaughter, well I might take the opportunity here to combine the USA Election thread and COVID-19 thread.

If Andrews should be charged with manslaughter then Trump should be charged with genocide - 240,000 dead Americans

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

As for quoting Victoria's new WORKPLACE manslaughter legislation (section 39A to 39G of the OHS Act 2004), if you read the legislation (and I have as I teach this stuff most days)

You are teaching it poorly then.

FROM WORKSAFE VIC

Officers
Officers of body corporates, partnerships, and unincorporated bodies or associations may also be charged with the offence of workplace manslaughter if their organisation holds specified duties under the OHS Act.

Officers are individuals at the highest level of an organisation, who have the power and resources to improve safety, including:

a director or secretary of a corporation

So, I know that this law will not apply to the Premier, I was just making the comparison as it is relevant. To help you out so that you do not lead whoever your students are astray, as that is worse than doing it to the people on here:

You cannot contract your way out of your duties of care.
An officer does not have to directly witness a failure, they are at the highest levels and so as such are expected to be looking at any agreement that may put people at risk.

Anyway, I know I am wasting my time. I hope that those that receive your 1 sided view get some form of balance in their education, whatever it may be for.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Going by the latest Morgan poll and the comments on this thread, it would seem we have a pretty good representation of the Vic population on this forum.


Victorian ALP (58.5%) streaks ahead of L-NP (41.5%). Premier Daniel Andrews approval jumps 12% to 71%
November 12 2020

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8...0-202011111454

The similarities in comments are not far off either.

I am not surprised. The quality of Victorian Liberals is at an all time low. 2 Elections in a row I could not look at them, and there is nothing on the horizon leader wise.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

earlier this was talk of Andrews being charged with Manslaughter, well I might take the opportunity here to combine the USA Election thread and COVID-19 thread.

If Andrews should be charged with manslaughter then Trump should be charged with genocide - 240,000 dead Americans

Please don't...

[Trevor 57]

Mate, it applies workplaces they own, manage or have operational control over, just read the first line, the non highlighted one you posted. They need to be directors, owners etc of the business where the WORKPLACE related deaths occured.

WORKPLACE RELATED DEATHS

Jesus, do you really want to do this?

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I am not surprised. The quality of Victorian Liberals is at an all time low. 2 Elections in a row I could not look at them, and there is nothing on the horizon leader wise.

What's wrong with this guy? Posted 12th Oct.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Mate, it applies workplaces they own, manage or have operational control over, just read the first line, the non highlighted one you posted. They need to be directors, owners etc of the business where the WORKPLACE related deaths occured.

WORKPLACE RELATED DEATHS

Jesus, do you really want to do this?

Yeah I do because you are so wrong. If you were right, our legal counsel wouldn't be spending half his time ensuring our processes are correct. We wouldn't be instructed by workcover that we have a responsibility to personally inspect our clients facilities and do risk assessments.

I don't know where you think it says it has to be their own premises, it says "A workplace". Not theirs....A ..... Chain of Responsibility.........your idea of only being responsible for your own workplace - that finished in the 90's

They contracted work out to be performed, at that point, it was legally their workplace, they had a duty of care to ensure that it was contracted out safely, and with oversight, especially due to the high risk that was so evident.

You can carry on all you want, you are wrong.

(Apart from the fact we know that these laws will not apply in a government situation, If it was private enterprise, it would absolutely on, and rightly so.)

[Itsme]

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[Work Horse]

Perhaps we need a new thread for those interested in discussing the nuances of work place law...

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by russellw

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT November 12th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

13 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.274% while active cases rise to 1,328. NSW recorded 5, WA & Queensland 3 each and SA recorded 1 case. Victoria reported no new cases for the last 24 hours for the 13th consecutive day.

3 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.256% and active cases rise to 53.

The UK had a new record 34,270 cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 563 deaths.

Just over 144k new cases (a new record) in the USA yesterday and 1,479 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.310% and active cases rise to 35.6% with the raw numbers rising and now over 3.8M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 53M with the last 1M taking 1 day;
Global cases set a new daily high of 632,966, ~10k above the previous;
Europe passes 13M cases;
North America sets a new daily high of 157,900 (11/11);
The USA completes 163M, India 121M, Russia 66M, Italy 18M and Denmark 6M tests.

Latvia (533);
Norway (717);
Algeria (851) - the previous high on July 24th;
Belarus (1,098);
Moldova (1,331);
Croatia (3,082);
Georgia (3,120);
Greece (3,316) - 14% above the previous high;
Canada (5,516) - 19% above the previous high;
Morocco (6,195);
Austria (9,262) - 12% above the previous high;
Ukraine (11,057);
Germany (23,462);
United Kingdom (34,270) - 27% above the previous high;
the USA (144,289) on 11/11;

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

Hang on a minute; Biden said today that there were two hundred and twenty million thousand cases in the US of A...

[MITCHAY]

There was a presser earlier today saying that while the UQ vaccine is looking good, don't expect it to pass the phase 3 trials and be approved before the back end of next year.

The good thing is that the government has diversified between many different vaccines to the tune of 100+m doses so we are in a good position.

If one is successful it would be a huge achievement when it comes to coronaviruses.