Covid 19 -

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Portrait/vertical video in 2020 needs to be punished by death

Maybe, but at least he doesn't set fire to police cars, sucker-punch people, destroy small businesses...or read The Australian.

[Franco Cozzo]

AFL CEO flying to Brisbane without quarantine may be a 'key moment of 2020'

Sky News host Paul Murray says Australia is about to hit a key moment in 2020 when the “brass from the AFL” head over to Brisbane for the AFL Grand Final announcement and likely won’t be required to enter quarantine.

On Wednesday it is expected to be announced that the AFL Grand final will be taking place in Brisbane as opposed to Melbourne where it is traditionally held, given Melbourne is the COVID-19 hotspot of the nation.

A photo has been released of the AFL Chief Executive Gillon McLachlan at Melbourne airport on Tuesday night en route to Brisbane, where he will appear in front of the media, seemingly without having to quarantine for 14 days.

Many have criticized Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk for her tough implementation of border restrictions, turning around many people such as an ACT woman who had been denied access into Queensland to attend her father’s funeral.

“While I understand why the Premier is excited that the AFL Grand Final is going to be taking place in Queensland … could somebody please explain to me why the boss of the AFL is allowed to go from Melbourne to Brisbane in a day with his family with no quarantine whatsoever,” Mr Murray said.

“But somebody who wanted to go to a funeral is told no … talk about one rule for them and one rule for us.

“Just as the black lives matter exposed the hypocrisy in the first wave, I think the brass of the AFL being able to cross into Queensland and freely walk around without the fourteen day quarantine period is going to be the next version of this.

“There are hundreds of people, I would say thousands who haven’t been able to cross in Queensland.

“Gillon McLachlan has literally flown from the COVID hotspot of Australia to Brisbane, I don’t assume he was isolating for fourteen days, if he was I’ll apologise, but I doubt it.”

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6186585586001

Doesn't apply to the elites

[Polyal]

I heard 200-300 AFL staff going over there? Didnt realise it took that many people to run a footy match in a pandemic? Makes a complete mockery of the whole situation.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I heard 200-300 AFL staff going over there? Didnt realise it took that many people to run a footy match in a pandemic? Makes a complete mockery of the whole situation.

Add in all the breaches by the players for the 'hub' that they're supposedly in as well and really what an absolute joke.

I already hate the virtue signalling AFL as it is but this stinks of the rules don't apply to us - what does a CEO need to be there for and also his family? Can't he work from home and use Zoom/Microsoft Teams like the rest of us?

The optics on this one are terrible.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Add in all the breaches by the players for the 'hub' that they're supposedly in as well and really what an absolute joke.

I already hate the virtue signalling AFL as it is but this stinks of the rules don't apply to us - what does a CEO need to be there for and also his family? Can't he work from home and use Zoom/Microsoft Teams like the rest of us?

The optics on this one are terrible.

A joke is the right word.

They could play in VIC and have no crowds etc just like they have so far, quarantine the children and then let them run around the park.

[Citroënbender]

Which touches on an idea I’ve been pondering. Why can’t there be “quarantine farms” rather than putting everyone in medium security?

Not surprised at the emergent double standards. It was going to happen. And when the Premier of Victoria praised the police for doing a good job and included in his praised activities “fining people” (sic) it shows how detached the privileged are rapidly becoming.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Which touches on an idea I’ve been pondering. Why can’t there be “quarantine farms” rather than putting everyone in medium security?

Not surprised at the emergent double standards. It was going to happen. And when the Premier of Victoria praised the police for doing a good job and included in his praised activities “fining people” (sic) it shows how detached the privileged are rapidly becoming.

Victoria this morning barely scraped through on a vote to enable quarantine at all........what chance would there be of a quarantine "farm"? Human rights. Costs. etc etc.

[T3rminator]

Interesting to see how people will react to this one.

Nurses, CEOs to be given border exemptions under skilled workers plan
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...01-p55r93.html

"Most of the 17 jobs on the new list of workers that businesses will be able to sponsor from overseas relate to the medical industry, including registered nurses, general practitioners, psychiatrists and midwives, but chief executives, construction project managers, mechanical engineers and software engineers also make the list."

Key part of the recovery strategy is going to be migration. I wonder which countries they envisage will be the key players.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Victoria this morning barely scraped through on a vote to enable quarantine at all........what chance would there be of a quarantine "farm"? Human rights. Costs. etc etc.

I can’t see how it is significantly harder or more costly overall to implement.

[PhilT2]

John Campbell has a new video up on the effectiveness of masks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DANEqOPcDwc&t=354s
tl;dr masks work

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I can’t see how it is significantly harder or more costly overall to implement.

I was thinking you'd have to build the "farm" to begin with. Then set up all the catering. Then add transporting people to and from "the farm". And depending on how it was set up, maybe added security. You'd have to keep the people away from each other, so it'd have to be a pretty big area, assuming its flat rather than multi storey buildings.

Do you mean just international arrival quarantine, or do you mean isolation facilities for the sick? I had thought about it...keep the sick away from the healthy. A bit like those zombie movies.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I was thinking you'd have to build the "farm" to begin with. Then set up all the catering. Then add transporting people to and from "the farm". And depending on how it was set up, maybe added security. You'd have to keep the people away from each other, so it'd have to be a pretty big area, assuming its flat rather than multi storey buildings.

Do you mean just international arrival quarantine, or do you mean isolation facilities for the sick? I had thought about it...keep the sick away from the healthy. A bit like those zombie movies.

Isn't that called a Concentration camp?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by prydey

Isn't that called a Concentration camp?

Hindsight, but, all travelers into Australia should have been out on islands and cleared before having access to the mainland unless there was an exception given (medical etc).

Not sustainable for the long term, but during the start it would have made a huge difference and the cost in retrospec really not that bad.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by prydey

Isn't that called a Concentration camp?

Quarantine has defined time, usually 14 days, a concentration camp not usually
Also, no gas chambers. But real security guards.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by prydey

Isn't that called a Concentration camp?

Well...if you define the hotels as concentration camps. Only difference is they are dispersed as oppose to centralised.

Was just highlighting the cost differences as someone suggested a "quarantine farm".

You could argue manus and christmas island fall into similar boats, just a different kind of quarantine.

Originally Posted by Polyal

Hindsight, but, all travelers into Australia should have been out on islands and cleared before having access to the mainland unless there was an exception given (medical etc).

Not sustainable for the long term, but during the start it would have made a huge difference and the cost in retrospec really not that bad.

They did do that at the start. I think only for the first plane load.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Hindsight, but, all travelers into Australia should have been out on islands and cleared before having access to the mainland unless there was an exception given (medical etc).

Not sustainable for the long term, but during the start it would have made a huge difference and the cost in retrospec really not that bad.

To be fair, how much of what has happened/is happening in melbourne is due to returned travellers?

[russellw]

73 new cases for Australia and 5 deaths sees the CMR rise to 2.545% while active drop to 3,659. NSW recorded 13 cases, Queensland recorded 2 cases with the balance in Victoria.

1 4new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.256% and active cases rise to 132.

The UK had 1,295 new cases and as we know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines we are going to ignore those figures.

Just over 42k new cases in the USA yesterday and 512 deaths sees CMR drop to 3.020% and active cases drop to 41.4% with the raw numbers still rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA drops below 25% of global cases while Brazil passes 15%;
The USA completes 83M, India 43M, France 7M, Saudi Arabia 5M & Portugal 2M tests;
Sweden reduces total case numbers by 3,700 after bad test kits produce false positives between May and mid August;
Russia passes 1M cases;
Asia passes 7M cases;

Czechia (499) and Libya (658) are the only countries to record a new daily high; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[russellw]

The chart for today compares case percentages and mortality percentages with the population percentages for the seven continents.




Our region is doing OK with 0.49% of the global population but only 0.11% of total cases and 0.08% of total deaths. We also have the lowest case rate per 100k of population with 74.8 and the lowest number of deaths per 100k of population at 1.79.

The worst performing continent is almost hard to call between North & South America. The former has 7.4% of the global population but 28.6% of all cases and 31.7% of all deaths while the latter has 5.4% of the global population but 24.7% of all cases and 23.8% of all deaths. They also have the worst death rates per 100k of population with 47.1 (NA) and 48.4 (SA) as well as the highest case rates per 100k of population at 1,279 and 1,511 respectively.

Europe is also faring poorly with 9.5% of the global population but 13.95% of all cases and 24.2% of all deaths and the 448 cases / 100k and 488 deaths / 100k are the 3rd worst overall.

Africa appears to be doing OK but there is probably a reasonable level of under-reporting and Asia is performing better than the population size would suggest.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by prydey

To be fair, how much of what has happened/is happening in melbourne is due to returned travellers?

It depends on how you look at it. Almost all of the cases (>95%) in this second Victorian wave have been traced back to a small group of returned travellers (3 at the start of one cluster and 2 in another) but if the quarantine had actually been a quarantine rather than whatever it ended up being then they wouldn't have mattered.

You could equally blame the security guards or hotel staff that then took the infection back out into the wider community and were thus responsible for all but those 5 cases.

[GO FURTHER]

Australia’s first recession in 30 years confirmed as economy plunges due to virus.

The Australian economy has officially entered into a recession with the latest national accounts figures confirming the worst contraction since the Second World War.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/au...013323083.html

Time to put those investment properties up for sale, people. The trough is running dry

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by leesa

Time to put those investment properties up for sale, people. The trough is running dry

Dont know whether to pop the champagne or cry. Ill sip my beer instead.

Reset well overdue, but not this hard.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by leesa

Time to put those investment properties up for sale, people. The trough is running dry

Not the experience where I live. Houses, at all sorts of price ranges (from say $200k to circa $1M) are selling like hot cakes. Not sure whether it is in an influx of green-changers or the very low vacancy rate for rental properties in this area that is driving this, but most reasonable priced places are selling (under offer) within a week of being listed.

Makes it hard when you're in the market for a new place.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Australia’s first recession in 30 years confirmed as economy plunges due to virus.

The Australian economy has officially entered into a recession with the latest national accounts figures confirming the worst contraction since the Second World War.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/au...013323083.html

*Rubs hands together*

This is where the corporates start cutting inventory and availability goes out the window - perfect opportunity to grab market share from corporate overlords who'll start slashing costs everywhere and **** off their customers.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by leesa

Time to put those investment properties up for sale, people. The trough is running dry

and so will the welfare handouts and other knock off effects/supports if so - your special eh.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

*Rubs hands together*

This is where the corporates start cutting inventory and availability goes out the window - perfect opportunity to grab market share from corporate overlords who'll start slashing costs everywhere and **** off their customers.

So long as demand continues at the same rate, as consumer discretionary spending falls with the recession.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by russellw

It depends on how you look at it. Almost all of the cases (>95%) in this second Victorian wave have been traced back to a small group of returned travellers (3 at the start of one cluster and 2 in another) but if the quarantine had actually been a quarantine rather than whatever it ended up being then they wouldn't have mattered.

You could equally blame the security guards or hotel staff that then took the infection back out into the wider community and were thus responsible for all but those 5 cases.

I realise Melbourne receive the bulk of international travellers returning but other states do receive international flights and have repatriated many people over the last 6 months without the virus explosion, so it tends to suggest it's what happened after they arrived rather than the fact they came from overseas.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Australia’s first recession in 30 years confirmed as economy plunges due to virus.

The Australian economy has officially entered into a recession with the latest national accounts figures confirming the worst contraction since the Second World War.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/au...013323083.html

Party like it's 1992!

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

*Rubs hands together*

This is where the corporates start cutting inventory and availability goes out the window - perfect opportunity to grab market share from corporate overlords who'll start slashing costs everywhere and **** off their customers.

Totally, Franco. Recessions are awesome times to control outgoings and develop businesses, ideas; develop the products that will be hot items in the next boom.

In some ways its a relief that it's been declared, compared to the constant crush loaded squeeze of the last decade. Even though work and career were horrible in the early 90s, especially when you were just starting out in the workforce, I have many fond memories of what our friend group got up to, the travel, music, waves etc. Prices of everything were cheap and that can't be overemphasised - rent at $70 a week, flats cost $40K (coastal WA - my young one just heard that and said "400K now!") vs $15/hr kicking sheet, etc etc. If prices are allowed to reset, it could be a good time and the astute can position before it ends for the next inflationary boom. If prices aren't allowed to reset, it's going to be painful, especially painful if it all bounces back hard rather than drags on for years.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

*Rubs hands together*

This is where the corporates start cutting inventory and availability goes out the window - perfect opportunity to grab market share from corporate overlords who'll start slashing costs everywhere and **** off their customers.

Good time to cut all the deadwood they couldn't get rid of due to unfair dismissal laws too.