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Hey guys,
Firstly, thanks to everyone for their input. In my mind, there is no right or wrong answer; we just need to find the right vehicle for us. Secondly, apologies for the late responses. My laptop crapped out at home, and whilst I have been lurking here at work, I didn't have the opportunity to respond. So, I'll try and address the major responses: Quote:
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A bit more pondering to do (but not too long, as if we do decide on another Tez, we'll need to think about locking that in sooner rather than later). It would be kind of nice to have two examples of the last Australian-built Henry's sitting in the garage. Anyway, thanks again for all of your thoughts. Of course, if anyone has anything else they'd like to add, please post away ![]() Craig
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What about one of these, has the same 4x4 technology as per a big Range/Land Rover so very capable and very similar ground clearance as a Territory (I have a Territory as well) and the price starts at where your looking.
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Craig, I'd be looking closely at Pajeros if I were you (or your wife). They are great vehicles, and if you do want to explore off the beaten path they are totally up to the job. When it comes to people trading their old vehicle for a new one, Pajero tops the list when it comes to like-for-like - more people swap from an old Paj to a new one than for any other vehicle out there. Some people are on their third Pajero. Even Mercedes doesn't come close to that. So Mitsubishi is doing something right. They are the most car-like of the serious 4wds so the missus will like that.
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it is not often that any manufacturer get a "hole in one" on their first go..
it would have been interesting to have seen what would have been. now the problem begins with ..what next? In our experience the only "complaint" has been not quite enough ground clearance. but just like one of the other posters ,my wife has short legs and even with 'the next size up in profile tyres and 'same height less droop "springs she finds it jussst a stretch to get in. (sigh) for us, its keep the territory since I am dual trade mechanic /panel beater we can keep it going for YEARS ![]() ![]()
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Yup i am also stuck on this, and have been for a few years now cause mine is a turbo territory. I want 1. Falcon/territory width rear seat (most euro's are 5 to 10cm narrow), as it makes a major difference to the amount of fights and carry on with 3 kids on long road trips 2. Interesting/ exciting performance (sub 6 seconds and closer to 5) 3. 7 seats 4. approx 60K The territory turbo ended up really nailing the requirements but has never been repeated ![]() Grand Cherro SRT seems to be the next closest but no 7 seat and above budget |
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1.4k for a service?! What are they doing, getting gold plated oil filters?
![]() JGC's are a bit of a lucky dip it seems. I haven't met anyone first hand who's had any issues with Jeeps. In fact they all praise the car. Mind you its nz, so all the Jeeps I know of are petrol. Maybe its the diesels that are a bit wonky.
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'I'll use this to address all fo the JGC suggestions. We've (or more accurately, I) essentially ruled this out. A few colleagues at work own them (mostly diesels) and the cost of servicing is a real turn off. The guys have been paying somewhere between $1200 - $1400 a service which, compared to my ~$300 servicing cost for the Tez, is a LOT of money. Again, I'm tight'
Psychobimbo, that seems to be an exorbitant amount of money for a service, tight or not. That alone would cause me to look elsewhere... |
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And then there was a colleague who was prepping his JGC for sale (it was the one we thought about buying). He needed to replace one of the bulbs in the headlights, as it had blown. Went to an auto elec to find that it was some special sort (I don't know details) and the auto elec couldn't get one for him. So he went to the local Jeep dealer. It was going to cost him a fortune (can't remember exact price but I'm sure it was upwards of $100) and there was something like a 1 month delivery time ![]() Don't get me wrong, the guys loved their JGCs, but after the ease and relatively low cost of maintaining the Tez, I just couldn't stomach something like that..... PS This is not a JGC ****ing session for those who have them and are happy with them. I'm just describing as to why I have crossed them off my list of considerations.
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But the drift I get is that SUV buyers aren't really interested in handling and dynamics and are prepared to accept the compromise. That's probably one reason the Territory didn't do as well as it could have. Car enthusiasts are only the minority of the market. As for Jeep, I notice that the local dealer who had his yard packed full for the previous few years now has a half empty yard for ages and I bet it isn't because they're selling them all or can't get supplies.
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Jeep GC service cost are not cheap for the 4x4 diesel models, but they are not too much more than any other diesel 4x4 such as a Prado. All Jeep service prices are available online now as part of their fixed price servicing.
If you like the Jeep GC and dont need 4x4 than look at the 4x2 model. Appart from a 4x2 Territory this is the only other SUV rwd I am pretty sure. The Kuga is a lot smaller compared to Territory, great car if you dont need the extra room. Not sure if anyone has suggested the new Kia Sorento? Lots of kit for the money and versatility of 7 seats. Plus 7 year ncw.
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BMW X3 Land Rover Discovery Sport If only there was a petrol AWD SZ Territory
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I would take a look at the BMW X1 if you are considering Evoque. The BMW is a lot roomier than the '1' being in its name suggests.
Also echo the Ford Everest recommendations, gets rave reviews. |
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New X1 gone FWD and power to front wheels until slip detected? (Haldex)
Old X1, RWD/AWD like Territory, AWD with BMW inline 6 mmmm
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Probably worth looking at station wagons like Commodore, BMW 3 series or A4 Quattro. SUVs won't touch a well sorted wagon for driving dynamics.
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True. Holden have done particularly well with the VF and VF2 Calais wagons. But family wishes AWD, and likes a bit of ride height - Audi A4 allroad, Passat Allroad maybe.
Back to Evoque, it has a Ford Ecoboost petrol motor (for now), and ZF, like the Territory (6sp initially, 9sp now)... hmm the plot thickens
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My dad was the same and he hated cars that he had to bend his knees to get into with a passion. He used to say to me, why cant you and your sister get proper cars. LOL, he had a Patrol. |
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Secondhand Lexus RX is another suggestion.
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Hi Sprintly, havening had a Territory since 2004 (one of the first year models) and the Evoque since 2013 (6 speed, SD4 Dynamic) its great to drive. With the turbo diesel its fast off at the lights, sprightly around corners, and very comfortable on long drives.
Longest trip I have done so far is Canberra to Lightning Ridge and Bourke and it went like a charm. I drive about 50 km a day on the Hume and in Canberra traffic, and really it a struggle to go slowly. I don't have the adaptive suspension, seems very few get them on our side of the world. Ordinary service are around $400 and only required annual servicing but at the last one I had the brake pads replaced and it cost the lease company $1,400. |
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Thanks Mark I appreciate that. Sounds like a great car. I wasn't fussed at all by them on release, but the look has really grown on me. With kids getting their own cars soon, the coupe could be an indulgent snow beast for the Mrs and I, (still young and uninjured!) with enough space for 2 and their snowboards...
Maybe there should be a thread "What will go classic from the SUV era?" (if any) - Evoke, AWD BMW 1 series 3.0 inline 6, original Territory, Range Rover Sport, original X5, Audi allroad. These are the 'XY Fairmont station wagons' of our kids' youth...
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But unfortunately with limited funding and the life that its been given, the nameplate wasnt able to grow with the technology and the good stuff found in other cars in the segment. The Sorento has all the things you have described there - barring driving dynamics. it good, but not as good as the territory. But as you said - the missus aint going to be racing around corners. Kia make quite the compelling case with the features, price and 7 year warranty on top. Thats why its won Drives best SUV under $60K and Carsguide car of the year 2015...its also in the running for Australia's Best Car in 2 categories. Yes the new Sorento is of the same underpinings of the Carnival. The Old MY14 Sorento shares the same platform as the current Sante Fe (Hyundai have done a great job keeping the Sante Fe fresh). The new Sante Fe (due in the distant future) will be the same platform as this current Sorento If you are in for a small SUV, CX5 would be your pick. Pretty awesome car - strongest in the field. But since you are looking at kias and 7 year warranty being a big deal, dont go past the new Sportage. Ride and handling were benched marked with CX5, Tiguan and Q5 during development. |
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BMW and Porsche. But yeah otherwise Territory is right up there.
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The RWD drives better and uses less fuel. and if you plan on keeping it long term has less to go wrong. Unlike Falcon its pretty sure footed, I think due to the extra weight keeping traction. regardless DSC looks after that. even the Jeep uses RWD, AWD only kicks in when required
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No. JGC is permanent 4WD
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Not all JGC's are 4WD (yes, those that are, are permanent 4WD), it's also available as a 2WD (RWD only).
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