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But, they are advantageous to a lot more of the population than people give them credit for too.
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If they were to be manufactured here you could compare the beloved Falcons and Terri's. but subsidizing the richest man in the world - why?
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That caveat aside, good point that if they do setup in Australia, we could subsidise them. At the moment, fuel is subsidised. If they can put those subsidies towards cars, have people get the benefit of much cheap fuel instead of the jihad juice we've come to love so much, isn't that a good thing? Without any of the environmental benefits brought into the equation.
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perfect for those without any car passion
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We'll throw money at it, but we own what we throw in, no more funneling tax payer money back to corporate HQ overseas and pulling out on us. Or we could fund our own car manufacturer and try compete on a global scale, try actually innovate rather than rely on some foreign global entity starting up an Australian subsidiary which only leads to the above. All EV's do is shift the burden over to the regions where our power infrastructure is, you know, the place that burns brown coal in VIC and last time I checked recycling lithium ion batteries is a problem. I've got no problems with EVs, I have a problem with shifting the burden and pretending that its an actual benefit rather than just 'on paper' reductions. |
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every car manufacturer is subsidized by their relevant country..
ICE cars are taxed on operating cost, as for farmers getting subbied.. "all businesses get tax return on fuel" should EV's pay a 50% surcharge for electricity... a separate meter perhaps??
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I still like driving my cars but that is a dying breed too.
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And if they have solar?
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Be nice if we had our own manufacturing but I doubt that will happen. No...ummm... incentives. Recycling Lithium Ion batteries aren't as big a problem and as been discussed Ad nauseam, they can be repurposed for a lot longer before they need to be recycled. Could you tell me how we recycle Petrol or diesel once they are used? No one seems to ask this question even though they ask it about batteries all time. Another thing we're just used to like the subsidies for the ICE industry. Even if we shift the burden, again, as discussed over and over, even on pure Coal, they emit much less emissions than ICE. Heck, a diesel genset to fuel a EV uses less diesel than it being used to propel the car!
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If I lived in an apartment and worked in the CBD then I'd not drive and I'd probably only use my car on the weekends, or this new working from home thing thats all the rage at the moment but thats frowned upon in my industry. One of my mates lived and worked in Southbank and his car just sat around for months on end not being used. |
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So it's been overcast all day today in Sydney. Rain all say.
My system has generated 20.1 kWh today. That's over 140 kms worth of energy. When it's sunny, my system will generate more than my battery could hold if charged from empty in a day comfortably. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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if you run an inverter (solar) then the car convert back to DC expect 35%+ losses from the two conversion.
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Fixed it
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Losses are not 35%. From my own testing, I'm looking at 10-15% losses. Either way, drop it by 40kms. I get enough for 100kms on an overcast cloudy day. And given I live in Sydney, we have a LOT more sunny days. Point is, I don't have to park up for a week and don't need a tax on my energy consumption. I've pumped back into the grid a LOT more than I've used to charge my cars.
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With the right policy in place I don't see why they wouldn't be to the greater public, able to replace a petrol vehicle. Commercial/industry is another situation but that is not the topic of discussion.
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You certainly don't need to have solar to charge anyway. Its cheap enough off the grid. 6.73 cents for EVs with my power company. CHEAP! I'd have bought a $150,000 car anyway. And I'd have got Solar anyway. EVs let you have your cake and eat it too! But the cheapy one is only $63k now. Price of a Sprint 6.
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The fuel excise is essentially that though, even if it's tied to fuel use. How else do we fund the road network? Especially once we all go EV? Ditch all excises and just slug it via rego, and tie it to contribution toward road maintenance based on propensity for road damage?
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ICE should not be used to subsidies EV!
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And we aren't even talking about all the other benefits of EVs here. The reduction in pollution, the better air quality, health benefits, no dependency on overseas fuel supplies, national security, the list goes on. I'm happy for an end to end price put on ICE and EVs and see which ones come out ahead.
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