Hyundai is outselling Holden in 2015

[prydey]

Originally Posted by csv8

At least GM is taking the Commodore out in style...Ford has done nothing with the Falcon..its so sad..Ford should hang their head in shame...

seriously??

you truly believe Ford have done nothing with falcon? I think given the budget constraints, what Ford has achieved with the final falcon is actually quite brilliant. It will go out as easily the best falcon ever, and the workers can hold their heads high.

Ford also have a history of standing on their own 2 feet to get through financial difficulties, not just borrowing endlessly from taxpayers and govt's.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product...
I love my fords but how long can you flog a dead horse for,its not giving up on ford,they gave up on us long ago... their sub standard product doesn't fool the general public anymore so its the end of an era.
I think it sucks.

I’d rather have a vehicle that doesn’t see the dealer so often and comes with a 3 year warranty over one that is at the dealer more then it’s on the road and comes with a 5 year warranty, just because it has a longer warranty doesn’t mean its built better.

Oh and those extra years of warranty are only applicable if you get your vehicle serviced through a national dealer.

I’ve had Ford’s and never had any issues that have needed a longer period of warranty, something to think about.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product....

So I guess BMW, Mercedes, Mazda, Ferrari etc all have lack of confidence in the quality of their product?? Seriously?

My Ford will be 4 years old soon and it's still going. I must be lucky although I still see some EB's on the road, they must be lucky too.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

As are (most??) Hyundais.

What is the schedule like for a turbo I6, same as the regular I6?

A quick google search reveals that the servicing schedule is exactly the same as the non turbo. But it's just dearer.

In Subaru land they want all Impreza's to be serviced every 6 months or 15K. Whether it's a WRX or not. For a non turbo Impreza the first service costs almost $300! So if you do 15K a year in an Impreza, it will cost you $600 but in a Falcon it will be only $270. Big diff.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by superfly

A quick google search reveals that the servicing schedule is exactly the same as the non turbo. But it's just dearer.

In Subaru land they want all Impreza's to be serviced every 6 months or 15K. Whether it's a WRX or not. For a non turbo Impreza the first service costs almost $300! So if you do 15K a year in an Impreza, it will cost you $600 but in a Falcon it will be only $270. Big diff.

Hyundai turbo service intervals are actually half that of the others; 6 months or 7500kms whichever comes first.

My FG is 5 years old next month and never needed the factory warranty at any time. For the last couple of years I've had the freedom of going elsewhere than the dealer for a service. If the manufacturer builds a quality car, you don't need the extra warranty duration. Just a ploy by the manufacturers really to make buyers feel good about their new purchase (and the extra business that the dealer gets servicing the car). Reason being the probability of a problem significantly diminishes between 3 and 5 years.

Apart from turbos, there are still manufacturers like Toyota and Mazda that stipulate a maximum calendar time of 6 or 9 months for services of naturally aspirated cars, regardless of kms travelled. In my opinion that is totally ridiculous as oil does not deteriorate appreciably when the car is sitting in the garage. Maybe it could be a consideration if the car is subject to very short trips so the engine never warms up properly, but mandating it on all cars with lower kms is purely exploiting the customer.

[STINKY NINJA]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I’d rather have a vehicle that doesn’t see the dealer so often and comes with a 3 year warranty over one that is at the dealer more then it’s on the road and comes with a 5 year warranty, just because it has a longer warranty doesn’t mean its built better.

Oh and those extra years of warranty are only applicable if you get your vehicle serviced through a national dealer.

I’ve had Ford’s and never had any issues that have needed a longer period of warranty, something to think about.

I bought a brand new 2012 turbo ute that spent more time at the dealer with warranty issues than almost any other ive heard of, maybe have a think about that,we all know ba/bf/fg/fgx are lumbered with common problems that have existed for over 10 years,of course some get lucky but most have a lot of warranty issues,think about that.
You sound like a loyalist with his eyes wide shut like many others,im a realist and say it like it is,the truth hurts and I expect comments like yours from a ford forum,its the nature of the beast.
I expect people like you to still be sticking up for the falcon when they are long gone,no matter how crappy and unreliable they were...
You were one of a few lucky falcon owners,i am one of the many unlucky ones,just read through the forum if you can open your eyes long enough...

[STINKY NINJA]

Originally Posted by superfly

So I guess BMW, Mercedes, Mazda, Ferrari etc all have lack of confidence in the quality of their product?? Seriously?

My Ford will be 4 years old soon and it's still going. I must be lucky although I still see some EB's on the road, they must be lucky too.

Like I said to the other guy,you are one of the lucky few,i am in the more common warranty experienced falcon owners,its well documented on this forum and you dreamers still going on about how good falcons were,they are stopping making falcons for a reason,because the bad cars outweighed the good by a fair margin and sales fully died,any person with half a brain can see that lol
Only reason eb falcons are still going is because they have had cash spent on them to make it that way,trust me ive owned one for 10 years.
When will you dreamers open your eyes,i realise its a ford forum but does that mean I have to lie to myself bahahaha

[STINKY NINJA]

Come on guys seriously lol
They aren't stopping making the falcon because its an awesome reliable car that never has warranty/reliability/qc/inherent problems ford refused to fix to save a few bucks, are they?
Haha
I think ive made my point,if I tell any more truths ill be in the *****.
Good day gentlemen and ladies.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I’d rather have a vehicle that doesn’t see the dealer so often and comes with a 3 year warranty over one that is at the dealer more then it’s on the road and comes with a 5 year warranty, just because it has a longer warranty doesn’t mean its built better.

Oh and those extra years of warranty are only applicable if you get your vehicle serviced through a national dealer.

I’ve had Ford’s and never had any issues that have needed a longer period of warranty, something to think about.

Our Hyundai has an 8 year warranty if you service it with them. The 5 year is just the standard warranty.

I can't comment to much on it's long term reliability because it's very new, but surely they have some faith in the product if they are willing to give a warranty like that.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

You were one of a few lucky falcon owners,i am one of the many unlucky ones,just read through the forum if you can open your eyes long enough...

just like any review site on any product you care to think of, negative reviews will be over represented due mainly to the fact that people basically only take the time to review a product if it is giving them grief. those that aren't having issues generally don't complain or leave reviews. its no different on a car forum. problems seem a lot worse than the reality due to the over representation of those kinds of topics.

an individuals sample size of any particular model is very very small, and its impossible to come to any accurate conclusion based on a forum and your circle of friends/aquaintences.

even FGX is selling at around 3-600 units every month. how many of those are on a forum talking about their car? 1%?? multiply that by FG, FG2 and FGX and you soon realise how small the sample size a forum actually provides.

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

Come on guys seriously lol
They aren't stopping making the falcon because its an awesome reliable car that never has warranty/reliability/qc/inherent problems ford refused to fix to save a few bucks, are they?
Haha
I think ive made my point,if I tell any more truths ill be in the *****.
Good day gentlemen and ladies.

do you know the reason?

do you think it could possibly be due to the high labour costs here, and the fact we are a little island out in the middle of the pacific building an orphan car. car manufacturing plants need volume. ford australia was always going to close manufacturing at some point.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Ben73

but surely they have some faith in the product if they are willing to give a warranty like that.

Ozito tools have a much better warranty than most top end tools. doesn't mean they are better. or even close.

[Spammy]

My ford needed more warranty work than the dealer would agree to, even after ford customer rang service him and told him to fix the problems the dealer did everything he could to stuff me around. Needless to say I will never buy another ford.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

I bought a brand new 2012 turbo ute that spent more time at the dealer with warranty issues than almost any other ive heard of, maybe have a think about that,we all know ba/bf/fg/fgx are lumbered with common problems that have existed for over 10 years,of course some get lucky but most have a lot of warranty issues,think about that.
You sound like a loyalist with his eyes wide shut like many others,im a realist and say it like it is,the truth hurts and I expect comments like yours from a ford forum,its the nature of the beast.
I expect people like you to still be sticking up for the falcon when they are long gone,no matter how crappy and unreliable they were...
You were one of a few lucky falcon owners,i am one of the many unlucky ones,just read through the forum if you can open your eyes long enough...

I think your the one with the slanted eyes mate if you believe that dribble that you wrote, where are all these lumbered vehicles that evidently are prone to problems that are ever so common ?.

Of course there are drama’s but if you are basing your fact’s on the concern’s of other’s from this forum and other’s alone then it clearly show’s how single minded of an individual you are, here’s a little piece of knowledge for you, all makes and manufacturer’s have their troubles and the only time you hear about them is in forums like this, but ask yourself how many actual vehicles on the road are plaque’d with those same issues, not all and certaintly not the majority of them, have a think about that. Do you see Falcon’s left right and centre on the side of the road day in day out do you ?.

You’ve had drama’s, I haven’t, you’ve so called heard about other’s having drama’s (probably from your uncle who heard it from someone in the dr’s room what ever blah blah..) They are a very small minority.

Maybe you should visit a site like whirlpool as they speak and believe the dribble that you come up with.

I’m a realist and clearly you’re far from that.

[Sprintey]

On topic, agree with OP that Holden and Ford will be bit players once domestic manufacturing is gone. For Ford, they actually have decent imported product (like new Focus with torque converter auto) - perplexing why sales of this are crashing off lows. Ford Australia 2005-15 will make a fascinating study case for marketing and business majors in years to come I am sure.

For Holden after Commodore, uuuummmm, yeah. Good on them for the effort they put into the VF, but if they want their imports to make a mark and be respected they should ditch the entire lineup then get a new one full of cool GM vehicles to fall out of the sky in fireballs with explosions and Optimus Prime and turn into giant robots and

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

Come on guys seriously lol
They aren't stopping making the falcon because its an awesome reliable car that never has warranty/reliability/qc/inherent problems ford refused to fix to save a few bucks, are they?
Haha
I think ive made my point,if I tell any more truths ill be in the *****.
Good day gentlemen and ladies.

There is a big difference between perception of truth and truth.

I'm not saying that your perception of the truth is not the truth, but given there appears to be differing perceptions of the truth, only one of them can be the actual truth.

How do we know which one that is

Having said that, your experiences are no less relevant than mine, or anyone else's, but that doesn't necessarily make it the real 'truth'.

Anyway, I'll stop putting my point of view forward, as I really am a bit of a fence sitter. I don't think Ford are as good as some people make them out to be, but nor do I think they are as bad as some others make them out to be.

I also believe that to be the case with other manufacturers.

[Bossxr8]

Ford have basically bailed on the low profit fleet sales, except for Ranger. Hence the drop in sales numbers. They want to sell to higher profit public sales. The sales numbers reflect this. Not sure if it is a good idea or not but that is the reality.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Our Hyundai has an 8 year warranty if you service it with them. The 5 year is just the standard warranty.

I can't comment to much on it's long term reliability because it's very new, but surely they have some faith in the product if they are willing to give a warranty like that.

I’m not doubting you but Hyundai Aus only offer the following,

SIXTY MONTHS (UNLIMITED KILOMETRE) WARRANTY is offered by Hyundai Motor Company Australia Pty Ltd. (herein known as “Hyundai”) for vehicles first registered on or after 1st October, 2011.

So is your 8 year warranty done via your dealer ? if so you may need to read the fine print to see what is actually covered past the 5 year cut of.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Ford have basically bailed on the low profit fleet sales, except for Ranger. Hence the drop in sales numbers. They want to sell to higher profit public sales. The sales numbers reflect this. Not sure if it is a good idea or not but that is the reality.

This has been reported a bit lately and the deletion of the base model Ambiente from the updated Focus and no RWD low priced Everest supports this. The price leading Ranger petrol single cab chassis has also been deleted.

When you look at it, Hyundai are going flat chat with discounting, incentives and massive advertising. The sales numbers are up for them, but at what cost? The money they burn in chasing bulk sales, is it giving them the profit?

[csv8]

My i20 has a 5 year Hyundai warranty and 3 year dealer warranty covers basic parts.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

When you look at it, Hyundai are going flat chat with discounting, incentives and massive advertising. The sales numbers are up for them, but at what cost? The money they burn in chasing bulk sales, is it giving them the profit?

Hyundai is a monstrosity of a company. Cars is one of many branches.

They are selling a ton of cars and have built a respectable following.

They rely on bulk sales and also sell most of ther models in God knows how many countries.

I see their advertising and sponsorship everywhere. We could learn SO MUCH from them as they are a proven success. You want to head up to Korea some day (I'm back there in 2 weeks), no word of a lie 95% of ALL VEHICLES are home grown. Talk about brand loyalty.

Don't assume low unit cost means low profit either. Take a look at how Domino's pizza is doing financially and you may be very surprised, even though their bread and butter sellers are $5 or $6 a pop.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by prydey

seriously??

you truly believe Ford have done nothing with falcon? I think given the budget constraints, what Ford has achieved with the final falcon is actually quite brilliant. It will go out as easily the best falcon ever, and the workers can hold their heads high.

Ford also have a history of standing on their own 2 feet to get through financial difficulties, not just borrowing endlessly from taxpayers and govt's.

Ford has taken gov money also.

[Syndrome]

I've owned six Falcons and only one was a POS - my manual BA XT 3V V8.

[ebv8]

just wait until Hyundai bring out their mid size dual cab ute. look out toyota

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

I bought a brand new 2012 turbo ute that spent more time at the dealer with warranty issues than almost any other ive heard of, maybe have a think about that,we all know ba/bf/fg/fgx are lumbered with common problems that have existed for over 10 years,of course some get lucky but most have a lot of warranty issues,think about that.

Funny enough I have a 2012 FGII ute. 1 warranty claim early on from then its just serviced and driven. Been a good car. My old BFII is still going strong at my folks place, few fixes required but went to QLD and back no problems last Christmas. Drove it recently and no dramas with the car.

But its funny two women at my work one owns a Hyundai Santa Fei and the other owns a KIA SUV and both of them have had the same transmission problem where you put it in drive and the car doesn't go. The KIA has done work on the transmission while Hyundai can't get it to happen (as the problem is intermittent) so it does it from time to time. So from your logic I should assume all KIA and Hyundai SUV's are garbage and never to consider one.

Originally Posted by ebv8

just wait until Hyundai bring out their mid size dual cab ute. look out toyota

For commercial vehicles I don't think Hyundai would be a success quickly. Hilux's sell very well and they are quite mediocre.

[Ford17]

It will be interesting to see new car sales figures if the Aussie dollar hits US 60 cents and below, as has been predicted.

Suddenly imports will start to cost more, a lot more than what we've previously been used to.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Ford17

It will be interesting to see new car sales figures if the Aussie dollar hits US 60 cents and below, as has been predicted.

Suddenly imports will start to cost more, a lot more than what we've previously been used to.

When our $ was parity with the USD I didn't see much drop in car prices for imports.
Especially the high end cars, an M3 was and still is a 150k car.
I'd be intrigued to see if it does change.

[The Snout]

30 years of hard work is being rewarded with Hyundai sales figures. I remember their 'Say hi to Hyundai' ads from the 80s. To go from that to this is hard work, nothing more. Well done.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

Hyundai turbo service intervals are actually half that of the others; 6 months or 7500kms whichever comes first.

Yeah I know that (it was already mentioned earlier in the thread), the question I was answering was about the XR6 Turbo engine. Not the Hyundai turbo engine.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

Like I said to the other guy,you are one of the lucky few,i am in the more common warranty experienced falcon owners,its well documented on this forum and you dreamers still going on about how good falcons were,they are stopping making falcons for a reason,because the bad cars outweighed the good by a fair margin and sales fully died,any person with half a brain can see that lol
Only reason eb falcons are still going is because they have had cash spent on them to make it that way,trust me ive owned one for 10 years.
When will you dreamers open your eyes,i realise its a ford forum but does that mean I have to lie to myself bahahaha

I'm not 1 eyed Ford. This is my first Ford I've ever owned. Got my license in 1987. The Hyundai's and Subaru's I've owned prior to this Ford all had warranty claims done on them. So has my Ford. But just cause the warranty is finished, doesn't necessarily mean the car will break. That's all I'm saying. Unfortunately there are hard luck stories on every manufacturer.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I’m not doubting you but Hyundai Aus only offer the following,

SIXTY MONTHS (UNLIMITED KILOMETRE) WARRANTY is offered by Hyundai Motor Company Australia Pty Ltd. (herein known as “Hyundai”) for vehicles first registered on or after 1st October, 2011.

So is your 8 year warranty done via your dealer ? if so you may need to read the fine print to see what is actually covered past the 5 year cut of.

Yeah extra 3 years is dealer, obviously not as in depth as the regular warranty, but still better than a kick in the teeth. My close family and I have had 5 brand new cars over the past 10 years and only the hyundai has had a warranty over 3 years.
Still I don't think I could by a Hyundai for myself to drive everyday, well maybe a Genisis, But Hyundai are pretty well built cars these days.