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Comparing HSV and FPV makes sense, since they both aim at the same demographic (appeal to the same market of people with similar income and similar tastes and requirements). Doing so gives a good idea of how well they are doing. GW is aimed at a completely different demographic so its not really relevant, and neither is your post.
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FPV owners have 2.7 times the amount of sex compared to HSV owners*.
* Any figures shown may be fictional.
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In terms of sheer number of cars sold, FPV are that much behind HSV (say 300 against 900) as HSV is behind Great Wall (say 900 against 2700). Basically 3 times the no. of sales. He just put it in his predictable sarcastic humour style...
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my 2c. FPV'S now have a reverse trend that went to HSV some years ago .
FPV's are now faster in every increment . aside from that , not much . |
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A sticker that states rwkw, not fwkw?
FYI just in case fwkw = fly wheel kilowatts.
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Why compare HSV sales to FPV, aren't HSV's in the same league as the euro's
![]() For me it's the badge and that amazing donk.
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![]() HSV has it all over FPV in the tupperware department, if thats not important then the GT is what you want.
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Which drives the value of an object. Lets say, instead of building 10,000 cars - FPV build 1000. Well, that makes said vehicle a lot more desirable now doesn't it. And with those numbers, you could probably put an extra $20,000 on the RRP.
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Do you suggest they make 1000 cars of one particular model and then create a new model with similar characteristics but a new name, to protect the exclusivity?
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They are good cars but for a load of complex reasons they just don't have the brand value that HSV has established. |
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If they stayed with the Tickford name, they'd have a similar brand value to HSV.
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On another note ...... can't understand why all the bitterness about FPV. Remember reading so many threads a couple of years ago pre S/C, people wanting a ball tearer, to wipe the smile of HSV. They got one, and now there are so many whinges. Most have no intentions of buying one and would hazzard a guess that many haven't even sat in one, let alone been a passenger, let alone driven one. It is a Ford forum after all and find some of the comments misguided, naive, boarding on insulting to those that have bought, enjoying and love their cars ..... after all .... that's why we are here on a FORD FORUM discussing what we enjoy. Not listening the absolute ramblings of those that would be more comfortable playing in the LS1 Forums where they can whinge and complain to their little hearts desire. Say these things on their Forums about HSV and see how far you get. I wouldn't for one as I respect what other people have bought and also their passion to a brand. We have been more than patient here letting people have their opinion ..... no matter how much of it is tripe or insulting. Some people on these Forums need to remind themselves where they are and who they are talking to before bagging out ....... everyone is entitled to an opinion but more care needs to taken where and how this opinion is stated. Have owned every model since the 70's and going from an AU to BA to FG they just keep improving and I for one wouldn't expect to go from BA to AMGC63 over night on a company that is running (profitably mind you) with minimal resources in a very minimal local market. Price wise ...... have no problems with the GT .... power wise .... no probs .... no heated seats ..... no probs ..... suspension .... no probs ..... interior ..... no probs ..... bang for buck .... absolutely no probs. Could they improve a few things? Of course but as far as the beloved HSV go? I do not like (Ford Forum, can say that) they are slower, do not like the seats nor interior, are slower, look way to Autobarn spec, are slower and generally am not impressed by the brand ......... HENCE why I parted with my money for one, HENCE why I am on a bloody a FORD Forum. To enjoy what I have and discuss accordingly. NOT to come here everyday and read rubbish from those that have absolutely no interest in anything Ford. Branding yourself an "Auto enthusiast" doesn't give anyone the right to then crap on what others enjoy and neither does starting a sentence with IMHO. Take your gripes and whinges else where cos I and many others here are absolutey sick of it ![]()
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Well I'll direct this firstly at Ausland..
My question was more based on a WIDE variety of things, but it has mainly come down to the engine specs. But was very interesting, for my life which definitely hasn't been as long and eventful as yours I had a Dad that was for Holden and two brothers that were for Ford, so following suit with the role models I went Ford, but I was looking at some Holden specs and Ford and just can't see why Ford doesn't keep up in every department, I asked the question to see if anyone had experience, I've only ever owned the one car and driven the one car for more then a day. But basically I can see that most here don't like the looks of HSV, but I'm sort of on the fence, I don't mind the looks of some of the newer HSV's, I've always said, I'd own a HSV, if it was given to me, but I'd never buy one. But to put it into a comparative, I'll take what I think to be one of FPV's TOP models in terms of money spent on it and major thought and work put into it. FG F6 And the Holdens TOP (I think) E3 Clubsport R8 They both have the same sort of stuff, but FPV is at the moment providing better speed, better torque. But there is so much in a HSV that can easily draw you to one as a person who isn't say an enthusiast or knows all that much about an engine, It may be technology wise through the whole car or the layout, but I dunno something tells me FPV has gone POWER, while HSV has gone for a BALANCE, it'd be nice that FPV now balances their already quick cars with the rest of the the accessories.
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I wanted the GS, but in the end for similar money i got a slightly used fully loaded series II Holden CapriceV... Whilst i would have been happy with the GS, the wife preferred the Caprice. To be honest, after driving the Caprice, i started to lean towards it too. Packed with features from the factory, it had everything on the GS, apart from the power. I understand that the Caprice and GS are completely different types of cars, but this is an example of how a non enthusiast (the wife), perceives cars and how a non enthusiasts judgement can be swayed. Infact, even though i was dead set keen on the GS, i've totally fell in love with the Caprice. I never thought i would say it, but i guess outright power isn't as important to me as it used to be. I also have a soft spot for LWB cars. I guess a change is as good as a holiday, i'd been in a modified XR6T, modified turbo terry, and a BF Fairlane G8 since 2004 till now. In two years time when this lease is up, i'll see what the new GT brings to the table. |
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Nothing like a good story to back my theory.
I just sometimes think FPV and Ford is run by a bunch of monkeys who only appeal to the very minimum population, and the future isn't too bright for them either... Anyone can modify their car to go faster, but these other things, they cost a LOT to put in your car, if you go aftermarket, it requires more work to modify the current body/interior. Personally I'll be going over seas for my cars, looking at the Corvette's and GT-R R35's, the cars that are around the same amount new, but are offering everything these won't, maybe even a Lexus..
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it's obvious that the vehicles you want to see developed are not in that price range, so not relevant to this topic. |
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the majority of experts around here.. have not sat in.. driven.. or never afford the product they love bagging so much.....
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All I know is everytime I sit in my GT.. and the rear gets a bit squirrily even with very modest amounts of throttle input.. I wear a huge! grin from ear to ear.. worth every penny I paid for my GT!
I like the sedate look of the GT.. not some riced* up commodore with lots of bolt ons..
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It's a ford ...that's all I need , no fn way will there ever be a holdenin my driveway .no I'm not stupid but yes I'm brand bias ! I wouldn't even look at holden its the whole image thing that bores me to tears .friend with maloo in driveway yesterday ..I just can't rate em . And have you forgotten this is a ford forum with ford bias ....hope you enjoy your holden ...but I just don't care sorry
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And just one other thing to finish. Both HSV & FPV DO appeal and market to the smaller population. People need to get a grip on reality!
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FPV sell no where near the HSV numbers.
The two are direct competitors, not euro both Aussie performance cars. So for me HSV has good looks ( well E1 all models and E3 senator only after that. ) Interior; HSV is above and beyond the FPV. Wheels = hsv suspension= hsv But I do like the clean lines of the current FPV range and as I always chase power.........A new GT wins for me currently. |
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Sure I haven't driven the latest Corvette, but have driven an older one to like the feel of the car. I have bought Ford, and likely continue to buy Ford, I simply stated that I may have to buy elsewhere if Ford doesn't take their finger out, the topic was to get peoples views, general public, GT owners, GTS owners, Maloo owners, and everyone in between, not this "Ford Brand is the best, why say otherwise" or visa versa with Holden, being unbiased is perfectly fine, some people seem to be incapable though. Those who want to perceive this topic as anything else are fine to do so, but stabbing me for what you thought this topic was is ignorant.
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Don't care why you started this thread but only letting it Continue because it is entertaining in a weird sort of way
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And in twenty years time, we will all get excited when we see the current FPVs or HSVs on display at some classic car show, and think "Hell yeah, those were the days / they don't make'em like that anymore"
Then we will drive home in some 0.8L hybrid electric bio-diesel 3 wheel scooter avoiding the carbon tolls where we can........
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