VFacts November

[Adamz Ghia]

How is Ford going everywhere else in the world? From what I've read they seem to be doing ok, I could well be wrong. I doubt our struggling division will be a catalyst to abandon One Ford.

Why can't we at least throw on our own bumpers and design our own front ends, keeping the rest of the car the same?

[csv8]

Adamz Ghia "New Models Drive Ford Europe Sales Up 10% in First Three Quarters of 2015; No. 1 Commercial Vehicle Brand

Ford’s total vehicle sales* grew 8 percent in September and 10 percent year-to-date
Total vehicle market share at 8.9 percent in September, and 8.1 percent year-to-date
Ford No. 2 in total vehicle and passenger car sales; No.1 for commercial vehicles
Ford increased market share in 12 of its 20 traditional European markets, including Germany, Spain, France, Italy and others; share also up in Turkey; leads UK market
Ford sales in higher value retail and fleet segments accounted for 73 percent of its passenger car sales in both periods – 1 and 3 percentage points better than industry
Mondeo sales up 45 percent in September; EcoSport compact SUV sales doubled; Ranger sales rose 17 percent; Mustang orders at almost 10,000 in Europe
Commercial vehicle sales up 12 percent in September and 26 percent year-to-date
One of four cars ordered with Ford EcoBoost direct injection petrol engine; One of five with award-winning 1.0-litre EcoBoost"
https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...e-quarter.html

[csv8]

and in America.." Top 20 Vehicles
GO TO: Overview Charts | What's Hot Off the Lots | The U.S. Market | Sales and Share of Total Market by Manufacturer
Tuesday, December 01, 2015
Top 20 vehicles, current month's sales
Nov 2015 % Chg from
Nov '14 YTD 2015 % Chg from
YTD 2014
Ford F - Series PU 65,192 10.4 695,143 2.3
Chevrolet Silverado PU 45,001 5.1 537,552 13.9
Dodge Ram PU 36,407 1.5 407,981 3.1
Toyota Camry 30,945 7.3 392,056 -1.2
Toyota Corolla / Matrix 24,194 -5.5 330,887 7.0
Honda Accord 25,566 1.2 320,501 -10.2
Honda CR-V 25,931 -19.9 314,462 3.9
Nissan Altima 20,564 -9.9 303,936 0.2
Honda Civic 25,050 8.6 302,588 0.6
Toyota RAV4 27,368 29.7 283,546 15.9
Ford Escape 20,807 -18.5 278,538 -0.7
Ford Fusion 19,451 -4.0 274,594 -3.2
Nissan Rogue 22,565 49.8 260,711 41.4
Chevrolet Equinox 19,634 5.9 255,762 15.8
Ford Explorer 16,690 1.9 227,584 18.8
Hyundai Elantra 17,634 25.9 227,464 12.0
Chevrolet Cruze 16,073 -29.7 209,753 -17.8
GMC Sierra PU 16,527 -26.7 196,701 4.4
Jeep Cherokee 17,426 2.8 196,211 22.0
Ford Focus 11,186 -24.7 191,473 -6.5
Source: www.motorintelligence.com

[russellw]

The November graphical stats are now uploaded into the Tech portal.

Regards
Russ

[csv8]

Originally Posted by russellw

The November graphical stats are now uploaded into the Tech portal.

Regards
Russ

No comments allowed ??? post locked??

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by tempted

I think One Ford was the biggest mistake ever. It was probably great for cutting Ford's costs but terrible for the car buyer. The Yanks are too self centered and arrogant to realise that just because something suits them, it won't necessarily suit the rest of the world.
The downward spiral in sales and shift away from Ford products by customers in Australia is proof of this.
I think it really started to turn pear shaped when Ford began putting that horrible looking whale mouth on the front of all their cars, which is a product of One Ford. Many non car people I talk to have commented on how ugly this is. Focus and Fiesta for instance used to sell 4 figures each month, now they are lucky to sell a few hundred. Food for thought....

Most defiantly, One Ford was the correct move and it will most definitely continue. Look at all other manufacturers products such as Toyota, same products worldwide.

As for the yanks being arrogant and self centred with one Ford, very wrong. Ask yourself where the vast majority of One Ford products where designed...Mullaly in fact successfully fought that arrogance within Ford.

As for one Ford being the blame for the whale mouth, Again wrong. Ford have ALWAYS had corporate identity across their models.

[Express]

There is nothing wrong with the Ford product, in fact it’s model range is as strong as it has ever been, it’s just a bit on the nose locally and it takes more than good product alone to turn that around.

Winning numerous accolades like that in the new Drive Awards it an impressive achievement but Ford now has to find a way of getting that message to the consumer.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by csv8

and in America.." Top 20 Vehicles
GO TO: Overview Charts | What's Hot Off the Lots | The U.S. Market | Sales and Share of Total Market by Manufacturer
Tuesday, December 01, 2015
Top 20 vehicles, current month's sales
Nov 2015 % Chg from
Nov '14 YTD 2015 % Chg from
YTD 2014
Ford F - Series PU 65,192 10.4 695,143 2.3
Chevrolet Silverado PU 45,001 5.1 537,552 13.9
Dodge Ram PU 36,407 1.5 407,981 3.1
Toyota Camry 30,945 7.3 392,056 -1.2
Toyota Corolla / Matrix 24,194 -5.5 330,887 7.0
Honda Accord 25,566 1.2 320,501 -10.2
Honda CR-V 25,931 -19.9 314,462 3.9
Nissan Altima 20,564 -9.9 303,936 0.2
Honda Civic 25,050 8.6 302,588 0.6
Toyota RAV4 27,368 29.7 283,546 15.9
Ford Escape 20,807 -18.5 278,538 -0.7
Ford Fusion 19,451 -4.0 274,594 -3.2
Nissan Rogue 22,565 49.8 260,711 41.4
Chevrolet Equinox 19,634 5.9 255,762 15.8
Ford Explorer 16,690 1.9 227,584 18.8
Hyundai Elantra 17,634 25.9 227,464 12.0
Chevrolet Cruze 16,073 -29.7 209,753 -17.8
GMC Sierra PU 16,527 -26.7 196,701 4.4
Jeep Cherokee 17,426 2.8 196,211 22.0
Ford Focus 11,186 -24.7 191,473 -6.5
Source: www.motorintelligence.com

I love the fact the F Truck is the #1 selling vehicle in the US.

Our love of SUV's makes us gay. I blame Toyota.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Romulus

I love the fact the F Truck is the #1 selling vehicle in the US.

Our love of SUV's makes us gay. I blame Toyota.

[Windsor220]

Considering some of our best selling cars are the Ranger and Hilux that's a bizarre comment.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by tempted

I will never get my head around how Hyundai manages to con so many Australians into buying their horrible nasty vehicles.
I was reading a thread on whirlpool where someone was looking to replace their their 3 month old i30 with a Focus because it was a gutless pos and horrible to drive.
Another person described a Daytona USA machine as having a better steering feel than their i30.
Yet month after month people open their wallets and throw their money away on these awful vehicles. I just cannot make any sense of it.

For a car to get you from A to B they're not too bad. Personally I enjoy driving so I wouldn't get one, but not everyone feels the same.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Considering some of our best selling cars are the Ranger and Hilux that's a bizarre comment.

The Ranger is a wannabe F Truck, the chick in the Ford ads refers to the Ranger as a truck. It's no F series love!

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The Ranger is a wannabe F Truck, the chick in the Ford ads refers to the Ranger as a truck. It's no F series love!

So is a Mondeo a wannabe Falcon? A Focus ST a wannabe XR6 Turbo?

[Romulus]

No.

Neither as advertised as the other, the Ranger "Truck" is. The F Series is a truck, not the Ranger.

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The Ranger is a wannabe F Truck, the chick in the Ford ads refers to the Ranger as a truck. It's no F series love!

Research says American buyers want the Ranger,
Ford US won't allow it in, because it'll hurt F series sales.

[Windsor220]

If the F-series was selling here for 30k it would probably be the best seller too.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Romulus

No.

Neither as advertised as the other, the Ranger "Truck" is. The F Series is a truck, not the Ranger.

Meanwhile the bloke driving a Kenworth is laughing at the truck tag being applied to an F Series.

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Meanwhile the bloke driving a Kenworth is laughing at the truck tag being applied to an F Series.

Logically then, the bloke driving a Cat 797 is ****ing himself laughing at the truck tag applied to the Kennie?

OR

Could it be that the truck tag is correctly applied to many forms of vehicles designed to transport goods?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Logically then, the bloke driving a Cat 797 is ****ing himself laughing at the truck tag applied to the Kennie?

OR

Could it be that the truck tag is correctly applied to many forms of vehicles designed to transport goods?

can you drive an F series on a car licence?

if you don't need a H or M category licence then its not a truck in my view, but thats just my opinion.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

I'm with you on that one. One Ford was a great rationalisation at the time, and Mullally securing cheap financing before the GFC hit was, in retrospect, genius. The new product is good product, but something is going very wrong in the bread and butter models here in Oz, which is a unique market.

One other point from the VFACTS was that the premium medium segment is growing at 26% while lesser-priced medium is falling away. I think I've found why:

"They have much in common. Each costs about $70,000 before on-road costs; each has a 2.0-litre turbo-petrol engine; each is rear-wheel drive..."

From: http://www.caradvice.com.au/400693/b...arison-review/

RWD is becoming a differentiation of prestige.

Ford is doing extremely well around the world. They are struggling here because Ford's sales and marketing teams are an absolute basket case.

Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Research says American buyers want the Ranger,
Ford US won't allow it in, because it'll hurt F series sales.

They will now, it's being built in the US from 2018 apparently. The UAW agreement showed it being listed for production at a US plant, and that plant is about to be re-tooled. The success of the GM Colorado has twisted Ford's arm.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Meanwhile the bloke driving a Kenworth is laughing at the truck tag being applied to an F Series.

Meanwhile the bloke driving a Scania lorry in the UK is laughing at the Kenworth driver in Australia calling his vehicle a "truck".

[prydey]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Meanwhile the bloke driving a Scania lorry in the UK is laughing at the Kenworth driver in Australia calling his vehicle a "truck".

you are actually supporting the argument.

we are not in the UK, or the USA. we are in Australia, where the term 'truck' is used widely to denote the likes of kenworth, mack, freightliner, volvo, scania, etc etc.

soon we'll have people calling their suzuki mighty boy a truck.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by tempted

I think One Ford was the biggest mistake ever. It was probably great for cutting Ford's costs but terrible for the car buyer. The Yanks are too self centered and arrogant to realise that just because something suits them, it won't necessarily suit the rest of the world.
The downward spiral in sales and shift away from Ford products by customers in Australia is proof of this.

You know how one Ford works? Or you just spouting garbage again?


Toyota have been doing 'one ford' for a long time. Guess who sells better?

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by prydey

soon we'll have people callIng their suzuki mighty boy a truck.

The Suzuki Mighty Boy is unique in the automotive world.

It is the only vehicle with its glovebox behind the driver.

Dr Terry

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by tempted

Toyota is Toyota. They could put their badge on a steaming **** and it would still sell in large numbers.
I have seen no evidence of any improvement One Ford has made in Australia. Sales here have actually gone backwards.

One Ford is not just about sales, it is the change in the whole company from engineering, design, assembly, sales, etc.
It is designed from the experiences of global offices, bring together models from all over the world and to cut the costs of doing so.
I have seen a major shift of Ford in the last 2 - 3 years from the basket case it was 10 -15 yrs ago.

Mustang in RHD is example of One Ford.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

The Suzuki Mighty Boy is unique in the automotive world.

Hey!! Without the mighty boy Suzuki's sales would dry up and the company would be in tatters. It needs these unique vehicles to survive.

Originally Posted by tempted

Toyota is Toyota. They could put their badge on a steaming **** and it would still sell in large numbers.
I have seen no evidence of any improvement One Ford has made in Australia. Sales here have actually gone backwards.

Sell twice as much and let it cost you 4 times the amount that it would.

Again sook as much as you want. But One Ford actually doesn't mean the same car to every country. Even if they might look the same.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by tempted

I'm talking solely about Ford Australia. I could not give a rats behind about how Ford is performing in other parts of the world.
Ford Australia was going gangbusters with Falcon and Territory 10-15 years ago. Hardly a basket case.
They only became a basket case once Ford NA started sticking their bibs in dictating directions and decision making.
Not too long ago Ford Australia had a fantastic good looking range which I would have been happy spend my money on. Ever since One Ford was implemented the range has turned into a collection of ugly, generic whale mouthed things which I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Mustang is too little too late.

Ford AU is nothing, a puddle compared to global. If you think Ford AU did anything without Ford NA knowing about it you've a lot to learn. Sure Ford AU did some projects here and there on their own but they money still came from Ford Global and management here had to justify it. There is no Ford AU without the global group.

Ford Global was a basket case 10 - 15 yrs ago and here locally they weren't much better, relying on two - three products and even when the sales slides began did nothing to bolster their stocks nor capitalise on the successes they had, more about just sitting on their hands and letting it be another "she'll be right" scenario.

One Ford is a strategy not a design. I'd suggest you do some research on the differences before commenting further. I'd argue Ford have some of the best range on offer right now, better than ever before.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by tempted

Well I guess the Australian public disagrees with you, because I cannot think of a time when Ford's sales figures have ever been lower in this country.

The numbers don't mean it isn't a good range.
If you want to look at the numbers then the top selling car each month sells less than it did 10 years ago.
The numbers show that we have a large market of various makes and models, that people are willing to go and try another brand and not stick to one.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by tempted

I'm talking solely about Ford Australia. I could not give a rats behind about how Ford is performing in other parts of the world.

No ford globally means no Ford.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by tempted

Well as far as I am concerned there is no Ford after 7/10/16.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out