Covid 19 -

[Citroënbender]

On a visit to the stupormarket yesterday evening, I wondered if the Victorian experience was reshaping NSW shopper behaviour a bit. Not many face masks but notably less dithering. No overt haste or aggression but more sense of a purposeful mission - not a time filling family outing.

This latter point meant heaps of unsold cinnamon donuts, now marked down to $1.29/doz.

[russellw]

If we want to be silly about it, the root cause of all death is living.

In terms of what should be counted for statistical purposes, I'm of the view that the cause should always be whatever it is that caused the premature end of a life so it doesn't matter what might have been going to kill you, the one that counts is the one that does kill you.

Thus a terminal cancer patient who dies earlier than they otherwise would have from COVID-19 is a VOCID-19 related death.

[LG17]

Surprise, surprise the BLM rallies have been linked to the latest outbreaks in Melbourne...

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by LG17

Surprise, surprise the BLM rallies have been linked to the latest outbreaks in Melbourne...

And how many cases have been linked to mundane even more unnecessary things like going to the pub?

JP

[cheap]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

And how many cases have been linked to mundane even more unnecessary things like going to the pub?

JP

Tracing the major outbreaks:

International travelers - root cause hopeless Victorian state government control
Cedar Meats - a bit of a secret, probably another Victorian state government failure
Street Marches - no firm numbers yet, but root cause Victorian state government complacency/messaging

Other sources:

242 cases are residents of various public housing towers in North Melbourne and Flemington.
32 cases are residents of various public housing towers in Carlton.
147 cases have been linked to Al-Taqwa College
28 cases have been linked to Menarock Life Aged Care Facility in Essendon
14 cases have been linked to Somerville Retail Services in Tottenham
14 cases have been linked to Brunswick Private Hospital
13 cases linked to Estia Health aged care facility in Ardeer
12 cases linked to Goodman Fielder site in West Footscray
11 cases have been linked to LaManna Supermarket Essendon
9 cases have been linked to Cenvic Construction Riverina Apartments in Footscray

Going to the pub, well in NSW The Crossroads Hotel has had an outbreak, traced back to C19 patrons from Victoria

[DJR-351]

Radio in Darwin here saying NT Gov have decided to class NSW the same as Victoria, we (at work) are fast running out of places to get crew again...

[LG17]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

And how many cases have been linked to mundane even more unnecessary things like going to the pub?

JP

I don't know either.
Maybe ask the stupid individuals who have done both...

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by LG17

Surprise, surprise the BLM rallies have been linked to the latest outbreaks in Melbourne...

Don't forget Ramadan; don’t let the Muslims off the hook!

[russellw]

207 new cases for Australia and even though we know there were two deaths in Victoria they aren't on the report yet so CMR drops to 1.054% and active cases rise to 2,307 (22.5%). WA recorded 1 while NSW recorded 13 and the balance were in Victoria. Australia also passed the 10k case mark.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.426% and active cases remain at 25.

The UK recorded 1,240 new cases and 138 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.433%.

Just under 65.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 465 deaths sees CMR down to 3.973% and active cases at 51.4% but the raw numbers are rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Irancompletes 2M, Italy 6M, India 12M and the USA 43M tests;

El Salvador (325), Kenya (497), Algeria (527) and Panama (1,540) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Don't forget Ramadan; don’t let the Muslims off the hook!

All public gatherings, but yes, everyone needs to be vigilant and complacency seems to have no race, colour or creed boundaries. Interesting developments and debate.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...ports/12454846

[LG17]

Ramadan wasn't mentioned in the article I read, just the BLM rallies...

[Franco Cozzo]

Reffos

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by LG17

Ramadan wasn't mentioned in the article I read, just the BLM rallies...

Sorry mate my comment was tongue in cheek

There is no link to BLM rallies or Ramadan. But the continuing speculation there might be will not go away for some.

The authorities go to much trouble contact tracing to try and keep tabs on this virus. They determined a person attending the BLM rally in Melbourne subsequently tested positive to Covid 19. They believe they already had the virus before attending the rally and did not pass it on at the rally. The infected person worked at H&M Northland. They infected other staff at H&M Northland which started a cluster called "the North Melbourne family cluster".

The authorities have been quite clear they can not link any outbreak to the BLM protest. It is interesting because it would seem the infection risk is not nearly as great outside as it is indoors.

If the article you are referring to is in The Australian today, "Coronavirus: Black Lives Matter protest linked to tower cluster." That article does not provide evidence for the headline. Indeed it quotes the authorities as saying,” It is not clear which direction the virus was transmitted in. In many cases, we will never know for sure how large clusters began and the order in which the virus spread”.

[Citroënbender]

Wiz and Mechan1k are probably familiar with the Australia Ave/Underwood Rd intersection; chaotic at the best of time.

Today there was a pop-up screening clinic in the park adjacent - utter traffic mayhem! Lost count of the near misses. No traffic control at all.

[PHANTMXR6]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Radio in Darwin here saying NT Gov have decided to class NSW the same as Victoria, we (at work) are fast running out of places to get crew again...

Not quite, just closed to Victoria and Sydney. 9News Darwin faceplant page update a few hours ago.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by PHANTMXR6

Not quite, just closed to Victoria and Sydney. 9News Darwin faceplant page update a few hours ago.

Yep, radio just came back with an apology to NSW, apparently their switchboard lit up with the earlier announcement

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...eee95620#close

"Melbourne is out of control and that makes it harder for the rest of the state to stay in control and that is not a risk… we are prepared to take."

And while New South Wales closed its border to the state, the Chief Minister put residents there on notice, warning if a spike in cases is seen in the region, he will also look at declaring the country's most populist state a hotspot.

"Because of their porous border and the fact, they have only just closed they are a risk now."

"What worried me was the vision of people travelling across the border and we have always been very worried about seeding and spreading."

"We've got plenty of time to be able to get that information and make that decision."

"I thought it was fair today to put NSW on the radar."

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by LG17

Surprise, surprise the BLM rallies have been linked to the latest outbreaks in Melbourne...

Surprise, surprise another ill informed post, with an obvious agenda. Did the article mention who the "Victorian health authorities" were that confirmed the link? Do they not have a name?

If you bothered to read past the headline, you would've read the paragraph that stated:

"DHHS says it has still not established the source of any of the interlinked clusters, with Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton on the record expressing scepticism that the protesters caught the virus at the rally".

But, you probably didn't get past reading the headline.

Here's more of what the DHSS said today:

The Department of Health and Human Services (15/07/2020):

“We are aware of six confirmed cases who attended the Black Lives Matter protest. Currently there is no evidence to suggest they acquired the virus from the protest.

“None of these cases are known to reside at a major public housing complex.

“Currently no known nor suspected episodes of transmission occurred at the protest itself.”

A spicy story in the media will always make headlines. Just to please the masses. Even if it's fake news.

But don't let that stop you - and the members who thanked you for your 'fake news' post from spreading the 'real virus'.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by LG17

Surprise, surprise the BLM rallies have been linked to the latest outbreaks in Melbourne...

Obviously whitey lives don't matter as much as blackies lives...

Pity you can't put all the BLM protesters in a tower and wait and watch....
oops...oh wait...LOL

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

But don't let that stop you - and the members who thanked you for your 'fake news' post from spreading the 'real virus'.

Might just bite you on the bum there mate...just saying...the plot thickens every minute...

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

A spicy story in the media will always make headlines. Just to please the masses. Even if it's fake news.

But don't let that stop you - and the members who thanked you for your 'fake news' post from spreading the 'real virus'.

Semantics really. It was only pure luck that the gathering didn’t generate mega clusters everywhere. The people involved had good intentions no doubt but were totally irresponsible ignoramuses. Time and place for everything. It wasn’t the right time or the right place taking into consideration the educated risks involved. They could easily have used social media tech to “spread” the word..... not sure why it’s so hard for some people to think outside their own agendas for once. Self entitled.. much.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

And how many cases have been linked to mundane even more unnecessary things like going to the pub?

JP

When you go to the pub you have to write down your name and number and the time you arrived, so I'd say it's probably easier to trace that than random people hanging out in random streets protesting.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Whitey-AMG

It was only pure luck that the gathering didn’t generate mega clusters everywhere. The people involved had good intentions no doubt but were totally irresponsible ignoramuses. It wasn’t the right time or the right place taking into consideration the educated risks involved.

Agree with these sentiments 100%.

But my point was how the media are choosing a fake version of a story to cause outrage with the masses. Selective reporting even.

Where was the outrage in May when these ignoramuses protested all around the country?? During much stricter restriction conditions than the BLM protests? Where was all the media "hype"??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Australia.html

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Agree with these sentiments 100%.

But my point was how the media are choosing a fake version of a story to cause outrage with the masses. Selective reporting even.

Where was the outrage in May when these ignoramuses protested all around the country?? During much stricter restriction conditions than the BLM protests? Where was all the media "hype"??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Australia.html

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Not an Alpha male to be seen.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

If the article you are referring to is in The Australian today, "Coronavirus: Black Lives Matter protest linked to tower cluster." That article does not provide evidence for the headline. Indeed it quotes the authorities as saying,” It is not clear which direction the virus was transmitted in. In many cases, we will never know for sure how large clusters began and the order in which the virus spread”.

Thank you. I have been waiting all day for someone to point it out as I didn't want to be the whipping boy again

Herald Sun
"Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton previously said it was unlikely the protesters caught the virus at the rally in Melbourne’s CBD which was attended by 10,000 people on June 6."
"The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state’s largest cluster to date."

Alarm bells start to go off when the "story" is only covered by the Murdoch outlet. Sky, Australian, Herald Sun, News.com.au. There seems to be an obsession to want to link the BLM protest to Melbourne outbreaks. Why is that? It just spreads uncertainty, resentment and hate, at a time when we should be working together.

[CoupeKing]

Submissive people wear the mask.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

There seems to be an obsession to want to link the BLM protest to Melbourne outbreaks. Why is that? It just spreads uncertainty, resentment and hate, at a time when we should be working together.

Well said. They, the media - just want the "real virus" that keeps popping it's ugly head from time to time to spread faster than COVID, so that it makes them more money.

The sensationalised reporting of the USA riots was a HUGE money maker for them. Why not try and replicate the same here. Plant the seeds of hate and watch the money tree grow.

[Work Horse]

People who politicise wearing a mask are; funny, sad and bewildering all at once.

Don't get them started on hand washing....

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Surprise, surprise another ill informed post, with an obvious agenda. Did the article mention who the "Victorian health authorities" were that confirmed the link? Do they not have a name?

If you bothered to read past the headline, you would've read the paragraph that stated:


But, you probably didn't get past reading the headline.

Here's more of what the DHSS said today:


A spicy story in the media will always make headlines. Just to please the masses. Even if it's fake news.

But don't let that stop you - and the members who thanked you for your 'fake news' post from spreading the 'real virus'.

What an assumption... ;)


The reported information wasn't in the headline.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Submissive people wear the mask.

... and I'd have to ban myself if I expressed my real view on the stupidity of that comment.

We are both in our 60's and wear them when out in the few public places we go to (pharmacy and supermarket) given that my wife is recovering from major surgery earlier this year and is thus in a high-risk group with a compromised immune system.

I call it common sense - something that seems to be sadly lacking.

[EgoFG]

It is funny, in USA mask wearers are characterised as being politically 'left', barefaced people are considered to be politically 'right'.
My observation is that such stereotypes only work in the extreme.
I live in Atlanta - largely left but lets assume 50/50 - and at the local shops very few wear masks.


I have seen, only in the media, extreme righwing people vocalising their opinion to not wear a mask.
I have seen, only in the media, extreme leftwing people wearing masks while they (violently) protest