Covid 19 -

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Hammer down and don't look back.

i think the correct term is "hunker down"
its not hammer time mate

[b0son]

Originally Posted by xahh

I can't find any information regarding what I need to do driving back to Adelaide from the NT next week. SAPOL and other government websites are not very helpful at all. All I want to know is whether I can travel all the way home to self isolate or if I'm required to stop at the first roadhouse with accommodation or town and spend my 14 days?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...pread/12085676

"Police officers will be approaching vehicles as they come through the checkpoint and speaking to the occupants of the vehicle, obtaining their details and providing them with a notification in relation to their obligations," he said.
"[They're required to] go straight to an address they nominate where they can self-quarantine for 14 days. No other person is able to enter that residence unless they live there or for emergency reasons.
"They'll have to rely on friends, family or other support if they rely on goods or services during that quarantine."

[CJR09]

Originally Posted by five 7

Your Govt might want to take a look at how we are getting through this in NZ, Total lock down of all the country from midnight tomorrow for a month, all employees qualify for $585 per week x12, issued in one lump plus a six month mortgage/interest freeze if you require. They are also talking about offering business loans over three years to keep them afloat, not a fan of Jacinda and co but they seem to be handling this well.

I cant even begin to try and explain the psychological effect this had on myself and family

Relief, Faith idk, a certain reassurance?

With the measures that have been put in place by the nz govco we should hopefully peak in 14-17 days time at about 2500 infected and with a bit of luck taper away from there

We have 500 respirators available in nz currently, i think the govco has essentially reverse engineered the situation to ensure the health system cannot be overwhelmed so kudos to them if that is indeed the case - only time will tell

Plenty of my clients have laid off or made redundant up to 80% of their work forces with so much business reliant on tourism

For the greater good we all hope to hit it running in a couple months time - those same clients however have also said it will be up to 2 yrs before they get back to any sort of normality due to a lack of confidence

[.:4:.]

Well today my work asked a 3rd person to take leave as things have slowed down. Im probably the next as i have the most leave accrued. The project managers wife got laid off after 20 years service with the same company as a sales person. My apprentices mum got laid off, and so did my mate who rents a place off me. Its all getting too real too fast with how the economy has been hit.

[cheap]

Clearly the cops from SA, NSW, and Qld will need to manage this critical border crossing point.

[BENT_8]

Got talking to the head of the section of the school that I work out of this afternoon and she said straight out that attendances are at 50% and falling.
I told her about my position and intentions and she said she doubts they'll go on after Friday anyway. Said she would prefer it closed and wants her own children out of school but apparently the high school they go to have no programs for stay at home learning at this stage.
Teachers don't want to be there.

During my drop off a number of parents asked me not to come from now on, keeping them home. Minimum is 4 to keep going, had 7 today.

Contacted our kids school today to signal our intentions to pull them out from Friday, told the 16yo can have work sent through online but nothing available for the 8yr old.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Well today my work asked a 3rd person to take leave as things have slowed down. Im probably the next as i have the most leave accrued. The project managers wife got laid off after 20 years service with the same company as a sales person. My apprentices mum got laid off, and so did my mate who rents a place off me. Its all getting too real too fast with how the economy has been hit.

The other thing I hope your works looks at is age and health issues of who it lays off. Some of the older folks here put their hands up, totally reasonable . Any smokers might be not the best either given the respiratory risks.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by XByoot

The other thing I hope your works looks at is age and health issues of who it lays off. Some of the older folks here put their hands up, totally reasonable . Any smokers might be not the best either given the respiratory risks.

Nobody has been laid off at my work yet. One bloke decided to take leave as work has slowed down, then said yes to taking another week when work asked. One bloke took a couple of days to attend a wedding of overseas people and doesnt qualify for the test, so work said unless there is a negative test report, 2 weeks for you, and you need to meet a criteria to get tested. The other bloke has no work as he works in, and only works in, 1 building thats been shut down due to 9 confirmed cases. Its still a dicey situation for me. I pay a mortgage and bills. Regardless of payment freezes, i still need a job. Anything centrelink is rubbish compared to getting paid. Its one of those things i try not to stress about. But it plays in the back of my mind. Espesially as there are now so many people equally as able to do my job, out of work, willing to get back into the workforce for less then what i get paid. I have my long service up my sleeve, i may use that as a threat as i dunno how pretty the amount in payroll is at the moment.

[XC-351]

Whats the governments plan?

Do we really have a plan/strategy in place? When you think about how much of a balls up this has been so far...

If we are put into a full lockdown now we could possibly recover, full lockdown, 2 weeks isolation, those who currently carry the virus take care and hopefully recover, those more serious end up in hospital while there are beds available.
Those who currently show no symptoms find out over the next 2 weeks and hopefully recover those more serious end up in hospital while there are still beds available, the virus can be tracked, those in Lockdown with someone who has shown sings of the Virus continue lockdown those who have been fine and healthy for the 2-4 weeks end there Lockdown, eventually lives go back to semi normal. The earlier this happens the shorter the Lockdown...

If we wait to long the numbers go up and then Lockdown goes on till when? Hospitals can't keep up, Vaccinations are unavailable for at least 12 Months +, At the current rate its believed we will run out of ICU Beds by 10th April.

Listening to our Medical Experts we have no clear indication of what we will do... while other countries are using apps and technology to ensure people are quarantining correctly Australia is using the trust system.

Although now we have closed our borders we had minimal testing and screening at airports, which is where the influx of the Virus came through.

On top of all this we couldn't even learn from the Diamond Princess which was significantly covered by the media and we just let the passengers of the Ruby Princess stroll there way through Sydney and interstate airports... And then you still have the deniers who think this is media hype!

We were being the ball with advertising, behind the ball with cruise ships, behind the ball with testing in airports and closing the border, behind the ball with closing state borders and we will behind the ball with a full Lockdown...

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by XC-351

Whats the governments plan?

There is no plan...

They are just making it up as they go.

And put out so many contradictory statements it leaves people confused and angry.

They have offered all this wonderful stimulus - that is impossible to get.

They have said that you can claim part of your super - but not till half way through April.

They said that the MyGov site crashed due to hackers - then finally admitted it was just overwhelmed.

They said Kids should go to school - but should also stay home.

They said that you can do everything online for Centrelink - but can only get your CRN by calling a number that will cut you off after asking for an operator.

They said they are doing all they can - but are happy to make any financial help near impossible to get so that you are 1 foot in the grave before you get your help.

They said that they will extend Centrelink hours - yet the area I tried to call said the office was closed at 5:15 and to call back tomorrow.

When stuff like this happens to the masses it puts the Government on show as to how inefficient and backwards their systems are.

Where are the preparations for mass treatment when needed? Oh, that's right they will wait till there are people on stretchers in the hospital car parks before doing that.

Where is the call for ex-centrelink workers to return?

Bloody joke....

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

There is no plan...

They are just making it up as they go.

And put out so many contradictory statements it leaves people confused and angry.

They have offered all this wonderful stimulus - that is impossible to get.

They have said that you can claim part of your super - but not till half way through April.

They said that the MyGov site crashed due to hackers - then finally admitted it was just overwhelmed.

They said Kids should go to school - but should also stay home.

They said that you can do everything online for Centrelink - but can only get your CRN by calling a number that will cut you off after asking for an operator.

They said they are doing all they can - but are happy to make any financial help near impossible to get so that you are 1 foot in the grave before you get your help.

They said that they will extend Centrelink hours - yet the area I tried to call said the office was closed at 5:15 and to call back tomorrow.

When stuff like this happens to the masses it puts the Government on show as to how inefficient and backwards their systems are.

Where are the preparations for mass treatment when needed? Oh, that's right they will wait till there are people on stretchers in the hospital car parks before doing that.

Where is the call for ex-centrelink workers to return?

Bloody joke....

All accurate.

Scomo is too busy trying to reassure his future position by vote buying to look at what should be done, throwing the offer of money at people in the hope that some of them will repay the favour, all smoke and mirrors.

That might explain why pensioners aren't getting any extra, lower chance of a return on investment...

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

All accurate.

Scomo is too busy trying to reassure his future position by vote .....

did you hear his Winston Churchill speech yesterday.
i didn,t know weather to sit or stand.

but i,m glad we don,t have bill running the joint.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

did you hear his Winston Churchill speech yesterday.
i didn,t know weather to sit or stand.

but i,m glad we don,t have bill running the joint.

Couldn't really do a JFK and ask not what your country could do for you whilst throwing billions of dollars at the voting public.

[snap0964]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

did you hear his Winston Churchill speech yesterday. i didn,t know weather to sit or stand.
but i,m glad we don,t have bill running the joint.

Each way Albo would be a disaster too.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

There is no plan...

They are just making it up as they go.

And put out so many contradictory statements it leaves people confused and angry.

They have offered all this wonderful stimulus - that is impossible to get.

They have said that you can claim part of your super - but not till half way through April.

They said that the MyGov site crashed due to hackers - then finally admitted it was just overwhelmed.

They said Kids should go to school - but should also stay home.

They said that you can do everything online for Centrelink - but can only get your CRN by calling a number that will cut you off after asking for an operator.

They said they are doing all they can - but are happy to make any financial help near impossible to get so that you are 1 foot in the grave before you get your help.

They said that they will extend Centrelink hours - yet the area I tried to call said the office was closed at 5:15 and to call back tomorrow.

When stuff like this happens to the masses it puts the Government on show as to how inefficient and backwards their systems are.

Where are the preparations for mass treatment when needed? Oh, that's right they will wait till there are people on stretchers in the hospital car parks before doing that.

Where is the call for ex-centrelink workers to return?

Bloody joke....

And you forgot the “best” bit...

They’ve had 6-8 weeks with literally unlimited resources available to plan a sensible soft landing ... and instead it is a total cluster.

A half hearted lockdown.
An extra 1-2 million people without work.
Probably a trillion dollar deficit.
Unintended businesses closing down.
State governments in revolt.
Share market carnage.

And the virus is still out of control with no forecast end date.. FMS!

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by cheap

And you forgot the “best” bit...

They’ve had 6-8 weeks with literally unlimited resources available to plan a sensible soft landing ... and instead it is a total cluster.

A half hearted lockdown.
An extra 1-2 million people without work.
Probably a trillion dollar deficit.
Unintended businesses closing down.
State governments in revolt.
Share market carnage.

And the virus is still out of control with no forecast end date.. FMS!

People need to back the f up. Id love to see anyone else do anything different in this situation. Half the things people are getting outraged about would harm another result, this is a no win situation. Lets see.....

A half hearted lockdown.- according to who?
An extra 1-2 million people without work. - was always going to happen, would you rather 10 million?
Probably a trillion dollar deficit. - not within govs control
Unintended businesses closing down. - was always going to happen, remember you want a 100% lock down?
State governments in revolt. - our fault, years of political f'ing nonsense and in a action from both sides, swapping parties with the wind, what did we expect?
Share market carnage. - out of govs control

The cruise ship scenario is embarrassing and the silliness with the hairdressers I concede is a joke. Just shut all but non essentials and be done with it. You cannot simply stop all people from working unless you have bulk candles.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Polyal

People need to back the f up. Id love to see anyone else do anything different in this situation. Half the things people are getting outraged about would harm another result, this is a no win situation. Lets see.....

A half hearted lockdown.- according to who?
An extra 1-2 million people without work. - was always going to happen, would you rather 10 million?
Probably a trillion dollar deficit. - not within govs control
Unintended businesses closing down. - was always going to happen, remember you want a 100% lock down?
State governments in revolt. - our fault, years of political f'ing nonsense and in a action from both sides, swapping parties with the wind, what did we expect?
Share market carnage. - out of govs control

The cruise ship scenario is embarrassing and the silliness with the hairdressers I concede is a joke. Just shut all but non essentials and be done with it. You cannot simply stop all people from working unless you have bulk candles.

Go back and read previous posts in this thread to understand essential services - I have made it very clear!

Also, I've been managing complex things for over 30 years, involved in life/death and literally at the forefront of the shutdown of major facilities. I can see a cluster when I see one. Your experience is ???

[XC-351]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

There is no plan...

They are just making it up as they go.

And put out so many contradictory statements it leaves people confused and angry.

They have offered all this wonderful stimulus - that is impossible to get.

They have said that you can claim part of your super - but not till half way through April.

They said that the MyGov site crashed due to hackers - then finally admitted it was just overwhelmed.

They said Kids should go to school - but should also stay home.

They said that you can do everything online for Centrelink - but can only get your CRN by calling a number that will cut you off after asking for an operator.

They said they are doing all they can - but are happy to make any financial help near impossible to get so that you are 1 foot in the grave before you get your help.

They said that they will extend Centrelink hours - yet the area I tried to call said the office was closed at 5:15 and to call back tomorrow.

When stuff like this happens to the masses it puts the Government on show as to how inefficient and backwards their systems are.

Where are the preparations for mass treatment when needed? Oh, that's right they will wait till there are people on stretchers in the hospital car parks before doing that.

Where is the call for ex-centrelink workers to return?

Bloody joke....

While i complete understand you point and can appreciate what your saying, what good is money when we are sick.

Stimulus Packages, Double Benefit Payments, etc all good and well (once your actually able to receive them... but what plan is that, its a plan to keep the economy alive before keeping humans alive

[five 7]

Yep your Govt (pollies) are dropping the ball big time, ours were a bit slow to start but sacked up and made some real hard decisions, what they have done makes the future not so bleak, this is a time critical problem. Wife has family in UK, they have said its starting to get pretty grim there. They are looking at 12 week lockdown.

[CJR09]

Originally Posted by five 7

Yep your Govt (pollies) are dropping the ball big time, ours were a bit slow to start but sacked up and made some real hard decisions, what they have done makes the future not so bleak, this is a time critical problem. Wife has family in UK, they have said its starting to get pretty grim there. They are looking at 12 week lockdown.

Ditto - i am very thankful for my wife and her knowledge and position in local govco as strategy and policy manager - we have been prepared for almost a month now and thankfully were able to convey the message to her parents in Britain who as over 70yr olds have been self isolating as a preventative measure for the last couple of weeks and are well prepared

Stay safe and healthy!!


Just as a by the by - prior to the anouncements yesterday nz was statistically tracking worse than italy for the same amount of time after 1st case, Australia for whatever reason possibly seasonal temp related has fared a little better - if i can find a link to the graph i will post cheers


See graph half way down:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...land-and-otago

[arronm]

What about if you have NO friends.

[XByoot]

Plane with 5 passengers on board, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel, The Pope and a ten year old school boy. The plane is about to crash and there are only 4 parachutes.
Trump said I need one. I’m the smartest man in the USA and am needed to sort out the problems of the World!’, takes one and jumps.
Boris said ‘I’m needed to sort out Britain’. He takes one and jumps.
The Pope said ‘I need one as the world needs the Catholic Church.’ He takes one and jumps.
Angela said to the ten year old: "You can have the last parachute. I've lived my life, yours is only just starting."
The 10 year old replied: "Don’t worry, there are 2 parachutes left, the smartest man in the USA took my school bag."

[Cav]

Originally Posted by arronm

What about if you have NO friends.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by arronm

What about if you have NO friends.

It's amazing how even people with a whole bunch of 'friends' are left to fend for themselves.

My elderly uncle and aunt are members of a large church group, community groups, social groups etc.

Have so many pictures on FB of people visiting all the time, them going places in big busses with these groups etc.

My uncle isn't all that mobile, and needs dialysis 3 days a week, my aunt is his full time carer and lives week by week. She also can't go out and spend half a day buying stuff like I'm happy to do.

I have been delivering a box of essentials every 3 days... if I didn't they would be starving and wiping their rears with their dirty laundry..

I guess you can't beat family to bail you out when you need help (trust me I know) and when it comes to friends it's always quality over quantity.

[MITCHAY]

More restrictions coming right now.

[MITCHAY]

A lot more people lining up for Centrelink tomorrow.

[Pis-ton broke]

how about the cruse ship ruby princess, and all the passengers unboarding in Sydney, what an absolute balls up. one lady has died off it all really.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

how about the cruse ship ruby princess, and all the passengers unboarding in Sydney, what an absolute balls up. one lady has died off it all really.

Someone in government should be swinging from the rafters due to the cruise ship balls up.

More people lining up at Centrelink tomorrow. Maybe by the end of the week the army will be deployed to disperse the folk who will lose their jobs tomorrow.

What a cluster eff this has become. The government is taking advice from the CMO who's going against the advice offered by others.

[cheap]

Well that clears things up. I’m having this weeks BBQ on Skype.

[MITCHAY]

Presser went for about an hour and most of it waffle. Clear and concise please FFS