VF Holden

[brydie76]

I actually don't mind it, tail lights remind me of an Eos though (not necessarily a bad thing). You can tell Holden wants to capture some of the "Euro" sales, be it actual Euro eg VW or the "Euro-look" like it (Hyundai etc).

And as far as test driving cars, I went to look at 3 new cars on the weekend and didn't test drive one. 2 of them features alone would make me very happy with the car if I bought it (as long as there isn't something dreadfully wrong with the car). I will test drive only when i am pretty much so committed to the purchase and happy with a price- imagine most people would be the same nowadays.
(And yup, the 2 with the best features were Hyundais. That and their warranty can't be beat nowadays. Think a lot of manufacturers- Ford and Holden included- will need to look at that over the next few years)

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by AG3

True, this is more obvious in the interior styling, they really look a decade apart.

http://www.carshowroom.com.au/carpho...4171126002.jpg

http://photo.netcarshow.com/Holden-V...3_photo_0a.jpg

They do look a decade apart, but I still thinks the FG interior is better. Having said that, I still think the interior on my AU is best interior in a falcon yet. The ride, comfort and handling is better too.

[T3ts50]

I will hold judgement until I see one in the flesh, as at the moment I really don't like it. There's something about the interior I really dont like (apart from the seats). Then again, I haven't really liked the look of any commodore at any release stage.

[The Snout]

""Yeah it's difficult but if you make world-class stuff ... you can sell it in San Francisco, Sydney, Boston to Brisbane and it is world class, you cannot do that if it's not world class."

Falcon will have to spend a year not offering class leading features while competing against a car that is clearly superior in it's offerings on those same features. Base Commodore and Falcon aren't in the same league anymore. Saving grace may be if it's not in the same league on price either.

[Stagg]

I can see the value of the VE commodore dropping overnight when the VF comes out, and I can also already smell the burning rubber of the miners who destroy the rear tyres on their brand new SS commodore

In my eyes any new Commodore to cashed up bogans is exactly like a new iPhone model to hipsters everywhere, when it it released, they **** their pants... twice

[cool65]

Haven't read all the previous posts but looks more like the chrysler 200

https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=...mg.wZYTPsPM1fk

What future bogan is going to want to do up a grandpa car - you would laugh if it pulled up next to you at the lights with a doof doof coming out of it.

[Bobman]

Electronic handbrakes seem like a good idea. Something Ford should look at with the Falcon as they've had a very shady history of dodgy handbrakes in the past few models.

Originally Posted by cool65

What future bogan is going to want to do up a grandpa car - you would laugh if it pulled up next to you at the lights with a doof doof coming out of it.

The same future bogans who do the same with the G6ET? Seriously, that's a silly comment.

[turbodewd]

Well the weight reduction and HUD and light colored leather for the interior are BIG selling points with me. If there was no Falcon tomoro Id buy the VF commodore - Im always supporting AU or NZ industry. Wanted to buy a Fisher n Paykel dish washer recently but this is the Mrs' field so I had to relent and let her have her Bosch.

[Rico 110s]

Seriously now surely anyone can see that the dashboard is no more than a mixture 2008 lancer and Cruze, Holden are truly the masters of spin if they get away with this one.

[GQ_Smooth]

Apart from the front grill, I think it's great. The tech at this stage is perfect. Would stay well clear of buying one for the first 12months (give them a chance to work the bugs out), if the build quality and pricing is competative a SSV or Calais V would suite our needs perfectly when it's time to upgrage the BF2 Ghia. So far, good work Holden.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Apart from the front grill, I think it's great. The tech at this stage is perfect. Would stay well clear of buying one for the first 12months (give them a chance to work the bugs out), if the build quality and pricing is competative a SSV or Calais V would suite our needs perfectly when it's time to upgrage the BF2 Ghia. So far, good work Holden.

This is going to be an important thing. VE was very poor in this regard especially with electronics and with the amount of tech in the new model it has the potential to be disastrous. Lets hope they have done a fair bit of testing this time.

[cool65]

First photos of racecar from GRM
http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/showr...rc-v8-supercar

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by cool65

First photos of racecar from GRM
http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/showr...rc-v8-supercar

Not the nicest looking race car.. It might look better with different liveries?

[dimka100]

The interior and exterior makeovers are definitely A LOT more than everyone was previously speculating, hell I can still remember the Dribble (Drive) articles how the VF will just have slightly updated plastic bumpers LOL … well I guess Holden has proved them wrong after all, again.

It also amazes me how many people are voicing their critical and to some extent negative opinions about the VF yet barely any details have been published yet! Do people realise that this only is the Calais model? Yes it’s NOT the SS … yet people make such remarks as “it’s not aggressive enough”. Then we have the typical drivetrain/driveline comments, yet Holden has not actually released any information on the changes at all!

And lastly I love all the comments made by people who never actually go and buy a new car, they are priceless. In all seriousness unless you are in the market for a new car nobody cares! Yes wether its Ford/Holden or any other maker, unless you are ready to fork out cash on a new car, they just don’t care!

[PridenJoy]

BJR's livery

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/02/11/...-vf-commodore/

[blk6t]

I also like it, it's a great upgrade for the Commodore...the Calais looks great in my opinion and never really been a fan of the "Calais" in the VE, looked lost.

My only gripe is no release of the SS, which is a big mistake in my opinion, the SSV really wowed the crowds during the release of the VE.

Either way as previously stated, Holden VS Ford is DEAD...gotta stop comparing this to the FG, the VF is more advanced and designed for a broader global market with GM support...it is the Aussies vs the imports and the VF is the first modern Aussie car that can genuinely compete in my opinion.

The only downside to the commodore package now is it's size, it's still a big car...

Anyway for the sake of Aussie car manufacturing I hope the Commodore goes gang busters overseas and exports pick up, plus I hope to see the Commodore rise again in our sales charts which I think will happen as most have been patiently waiting...Holden's biggest task is to maintain that sales run after the hype wears off...

[mik]

Originally Posted by blk6t

I also like it, it's a great upgrade for the Commodore...the Calais looks great in my opinion and never really been a fan of the "Calais" in the VE, looked lost.

My only gripe is no release of the SS, which is a big mistake in my opinion, the SSV really wowed the crowds during the release of the VE.

Either way as previously stated, Holden VS Ford is DEAD...gotta stop comparing this to the FG, the VF is more advanced and designed for a broader global market with GM support...it is the Aussies vs the imports and the VF is the first modern Aussie car that can genuinely compete in my opinion.

The only downside to the commodore package now is it's size, it's still a big car...

Anyway for the sake of Aussie car manufacturing I hope the Commodore goes gang busters overseas and exports pick up, plus I hope to see the Commodore rise again in our sales charts which I think will happen as most have been patiently waiting...Holden's biggest task is to maintain that sales run after the hype wears off...

the only downer i see is the bright interior in that bright airey looking cabin, on a bright sunny day it might have reflection and glare problems, time will tell though, as for BIG CARS......................
big = more sheet metal between you and the other car, big = roomier/airier , big usually rides tracks better than smaller short wheelbase, big usually more suitable for towing, ask the wife ..........size matters

[kaniSS]

Where's the handbrake?

Looks like they copied some features out of the FG interior to be honest. Look at the auto gear knob, the cup holders and the middle handrest. It says FG to me.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by kaniSS

Where's the handbrake?

Looks like they copied some features out of the FG interior to be honest. Look at the auto gear knob, the cup holders and the middle handrest. It says FG to me.

It has an electronic handbrake like the euros, that little button where the old ugly handbrake use to sit.

[buggo]

Originally Posted by kaniSS

Where's the handbrake?

It has an electric button activated hand brake.
That'll be a deal breaker in 10 years years time.

[mik]

i wonder how well the electronic hand brake works doing a hill hand brake start? if you get a flat battery with the hand brake on is there a manual release if you have to roll/tow the car the car? i`m in two minds about the e hand brake.

[kaniSS]

Electronic you say. Interesting.

[AG3]

Originally Posted by kaniSS

Electronic you say. Interesting.

Many euro cars, mostly premium models, use them.
The next Mondeo/2013 Fusion also uses an electronic parking brake

[adz193]

Originally Posted by AG3

Many euro cars, mostly premium models, use them.
The next Mondeo/2013 Fusion also uses an electronic parking brake
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Now that is a nice interior! Credit to Holden where it's due but that just flows much better then VF Calais imo...

[GQ_Smooth]

Welcome to the 21st centry, electric handbrakes are here to stay. I wouldn't be suprised if they don't make it an auto release unit as is in alot of volkswagen group cars (Passat, A6 Audi).

[Bucknaked]

The 10 spoke GTE rims are quite similar to the new Calais rims.

[chopstar87]

Having a Quick look at that "SS" interior, there is only 2 buttons to the bottom left of the transmission, where on the Calais there is 3 buttons (for traction control and 2 park assist buttons) wonder why its missing one of the park assist buttons?? maybe the SS wont have Park assist after all?? maybe only parking sensors? for the SS?

Which is not what Holden was saying the other day about all cars been able to part themselves... maybe only the luxury models will be able to??

[Smoke Pursuit]

I would say the extra park assist button is the traffic button, possibly only the V models have that.

[PapaSkidz]

looks cheap on the inside compared to the Kia and Hyundai's, Trying to go Euro they have gone chinese. new chassis would be from the Insigna ithink.

[turbodewd]

Originally Posted by PapaSkidz

looks cheap on the inside compared to the Kia and Hyundai's, Trying to go Euro they have gone chinese. new chassis would be from the Insigna ithink.

Pls educate me, how does it look cheap? It looks like its the same as, say, the interior of the Hyundai i45. The speedo and tacho look like they could be from a Camry, i.e theyre contemporary.

Your comment is subjective, ergo immeasurable, ergo...meh!

I think the interiors look modern, appropriate, contemporary.