Ford Announces New Engine Direction - Page 13

VeloXR6 · 19-07-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

That sets me apart from you....

to me it is the end of the world ... and the end of my financial relationship with ford....

Sorry - I should elaborate ....

BMW 335i .......

VeloXR6 · 19-07-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Perana XR8

Yes I agree as well. I don't think the release was handled that well. Ch10 News are reporting that FoA are "axing" 600 jobs, when that is clearly not the case when you take into account retraining etc. Typical Media i guess..

And that is your choice.. but no offense to you but you are in the minority in the buying public. Most people do not know what the difference between an I6 and a V6 is, in fact of those that know a small amount most will think that a V6 is superior because that's what everyone uses. It is only enthusiasts who really know much about what actually drives our cars and what the on-paper advantages of certain configurations are over others.

Well, it is quite obvious that those of us who know and care for the difference mean nothing .... so we should move on..

VeloXR6 · 19-07-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

Sorry - I should elaborate ....

BMW 335i .......

M3 ??? Who ?

MRJUCY · 19-07-2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

M3 ??? Who ?

New M3 is a V8.

Perana · 19-07-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

Well, it is quite obvious that those of us who know and care for the difference mean nothing .... so we should move on..

As unfortunate as that is it is absolutely correct. The buying public will never care what the engine in their car is as long as it is economical and has enough power for them, and the Duratec will do this for Ford, while enabling FoA to keep operating. It's just the way the industry is.

335 is a fantastic car.. way ahead of what the falcon is and could be.. but then it has the price-tag to match!

madmelon · 19-07-2007, 01:04 AM

popinfresh- I'm glad you're willing to point out stuff like that...obviously one of the few who understand the dynamics of a global organisation.
A few more points to add too:

People should stop with the stupid "I want a torquey I6" comments and learn what makes a torquey engine. Do people honestly think that Ford Aus won't get any say on setup with this engine? That'd be completely stupid and make for a pretty $hitty Falcon- something they're trying to avoid if we're to believe their global expansion aspirations.

All comes down to what you want to lose- the engine or the company. Half the people on here sound like they've never heard the word "compromise" before.

VeloXR6 · 19-07-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MRJUCY

New M3 is a V8.

umm... Duh...

Van D · 19-07-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

Sorry - I should elaborate ....

BMW 335i .......

So for the people saying it's bad new for Australian industry that we lose one part of a plant, instead of getting a falcon anyway, which still has majority made in Aus, you'll go for a all European car?

VeloXR6 · 19-07-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Perana XR8

As unfortunate as that is it is absolutely correct. The buying public will never care what the engine in their car is as long as it is economical and has enough power for them, and the Duratec will do this for Ford, while enabling FoA to keep operating. It's just the way the industry is.

335 is a fantastic car.. way ahead of what the falcon is and could be.. but then it has the price-tag to match!

Pretty much the point, personally - other than something better than Skaife and Kelly to Barack for in the V8 supercars, I feel that Ford is now Irrelevant in Australia, so they should just F off....

MRJUCY · 19-07-2007, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

umm... Duh...

Think about it.

VeloXR6 · 19-07-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by popinfresh

So for the people saying it's bad new for Australian industry that we lose one part of a plant, instead of getting a falcon anyway, which still has majority made in Aus, you'll go for a all European car?

Well yeah ... If I liked lacklustre performance and inferior fitout I would be a holden man....

I used to give my $$ to ford becuase of performance .. now anyone is fair game.

VeloXR6 · 19-07-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MRJUCY

Think about it.

Do your research ... 335i is an I6

Perana · 19-07-2007, 01:13 AM

To me the TwinForce version of the Duratec 35 should have plenty of performance!

321kw and 560Nm!

Perana · 19-07-2007, 01:19 AM

You do realise that a 335i isn't made here either..

You would be surprised to know how much of the Falcon is imported.. even major parts of the I6 are imported... Crank (UK) and Heads (Mexico) just to name 2..

#Russ#Es# · 19-07-2007, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Perana XR8

To me the TwinForce version of the Duratec 35 should have plenty of performance!

321kw and 560Nm!

I think the Duratec could put out 400rwkw and 700nM (and have the economy of a stock BF XR6T) and some people here would still say it's crap...all because its a V6

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The new engine is coming no matter how much people want to winge about it.

rodderz · 19-07-2007, 01:20 AM

Guys, we know you are passionate, nothing wrong with that, but there's no need to resort to breaking site rules for the sake of getting your point across. Be civil in your comments and tolerant of other's views.

There have been a few warnings already, we have been tolerant but there wont be further warning before posts removed or the thread is closed.

steamin63 · 19-07-2007, 01:24 AM

in reply to barraxr8 i worked at bryan byrt ford in brisbane so i know first hand some of the crap ford australia has released to the public.never make the mistake that any big car maker actually cares what it sells to it's customers just as long as it sells.the designers and the engineers are the heart and soul of ford [but even they get it wrong sometimes] but they don't run the company, the suits and the bean counters do.if you really want to know how good a car is talk to a service tech or someone in P&D [preparation and delivery] .don't get me wrong the falcon is a very good car as was the laser and the festiva wasn't to bad either but ford [the company]is a business and they have made some very strange decisions over the last 20 odd years.

VeloXR6 · 19-07-2007, 01:27 AM

Rodderz - I cannot think what was in my message that you deleted that would be offensive - please send back to me so I can review.....

But really - this site must be getting as fruity as ford and those supporting the demise of the I6

RIP I6....

Falc'man · 19-07-2007, 01:27 AM

Sorry to see the potential loss of livelihood/jobs for so many. I hope they end up staying with the company one way or another. And secondly, sad to see the loss of an old mate... the good old straight six.

Huntsman · 19-07-2007, 01:32 AM

"What was Mcalary doing today?"

Believe me mate, she and the rest of the communications team have earned their money in the past week.

Can anyone seriously believe this was planned a-la Secrets Revealed was with the drip feed of Barra?

Ford was duck-shoved into this announcement after the media got wind of a story and ran with it. From there it developed a life of its own, with the unions turning it into an election issue and the communications team would have been left trying to hold onto the tiger's tail.

No matter how hard you try to massage the story, the fact is they would have been dealing not with the automotive journalists they have good relationships with, but industrial relations writers and finance reporters, some of whom quite frankly no very little about the industry but are drawn like sharks to the feeding frenzy that comes with shutdowns.

No doubt the story they would have liked to have been picked up - and quite frankly I'm disappointed no auto journalist has noticed yet - is that while today's news about an imported V6 engine from 2010 onwards was bad for Geelong and the engine plant workers, it also indicates that there will continue to be new Falcons coming off the line at Broadmeadows.

rodderz · 19-07-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

Rodderz - I cannot think what was in my message that you deleted that would be offensive - please send back to me so I can review.....

But really - this site must be getting as fruity as ford and those supporting the demise of the I6

RIP I6....

It wasnt your message, it was getting around the swear filter. As I said, nothing wrong with passion but no need to bend rules to display it.

Van D · 19-07-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

But really - this site must be getting as fruity as ford and those supporting the demise of the I6

So i'm "fruity" because I want to be driving a Ford in 20 years time? Honestly I think i'm the one with my head screwed on right. Duratech has more performance figures, better economy and i'll get to drive a blue oval in future, sounds good to me.

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Guys, we know you are passionate, nothing wrong with that, but there's no need to resort to breaking site rules for the sake of getting your point across. Be civil in your comments and tolerant of other's views.

There have been a few warnings already, we have been tolerant but there wont be further warning before posts removed or the thread is closed.

Sorry rodderz if i'm in there, i'm pretty much done anyway!

rodderz · 19-07-2007, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntsman

No doubt the story they would have liked to have been picked up - and quite frankly I'm disappointed no auto journalist has noticed yet - is that while today's news about an imported V6 engine from 2010 onwards was bad for Geelong and the engine plant workers, it also indicates that there will continue to be new Falcons coming off the line at Broadmeadows.

The last bit is the clincher- this decision has contributed to the survival of Fords to be made here for a long while yet, which ensures that everyone's job at Ford isnt lost.

kpcart · 19-07-2007, 01:43 AM

who cares if its not a straight six. people cant see what engine is from outside the car. if my ford had a 4turbo, a straight six, v6 or v8 under the hood, i wouldnt care as long as the car performs the way it should. some people talk about power at the wheels, then why make a fuss that its not i6 if it makes that same dyno numbers at the wheels. and as for sound, theres not much diff between v6 and i6. v6 is more modern, more compact, better centre of gravity... etc. From what i have read, all the newest i6 from ford has over the 10 or so available new cars in australia that have v6 is torque, and that is only really because at 4 litres it is still basically the biggest six cylinder available here, the v6s are 3-3.8litre. a mazda 2.3L 4 cylinder turbo has 380nm.

Falc'man · 19-07-2007, 01:44 AM

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The last bit is the clincher- this decision has contributed to the survival of Fords to be made here for a long while yet, which ensures that everyone's job at Ford isnt lost.

+1

Thats the main thing, the Falc will remain. Well said Huntsman. And welcome to the Forums.

AWD Chaser · 19-07-2007, 08:09 AM

I think it will just slot in without anyone even noticing. Not alot of people relise that there is even a thing as a straight 6. They just see it as a 6 cylinder car.

The new duratec isn't that much different, power wise...

In the Ford Edge, it's the 3.5L DOHC (24V) V6 - 197Kw (6250rpm), 338Nm (4500), Full cast block aluminium (alloy I suppose)... could make the falcon alot lighter...? Well wait and see...

MITCHAY · 19-07-2007, 08:28 AM

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I think it will just slot in without anyone even noticing. Not alot of people relise that there is even a thing as a straight 6. They just see it as a 6 cylinder car.

The new duratec isn't that much different, power wise...

In the Ford Edge, it's the 3.5L DOHC (24V) V6 - 197Kw (6250rpm), 338Nm (4500), Full cast block aluminium (alloy I suppose)... could make the falcon alot lighter...? Well wait and see...

Doesn't sound bad at all to me.

I didn't even know the Falcon was an I6 till I joined this site

: And another point to make out and forgive me if it has been made is car makers especially Ford and Holden are mass producers and the enthusiast part is the minority.

Surely 200 odd kw is enough for most people? You can't buy a base model and expect it to be a Typhoon.

That is what FPV is for and well they have TTV6 in the pipeline for that

Average Joe couldn't care what configuration their engine is and I'm sure they have many more things they place more importance on.

Falcon Freak · 19-07-2007, 08:53 AM

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BRING BACK GEOFF POLITIES

Geoff understood the Australian market. The problem is that this decision was not decided by Tom Gorman. He is just a stooge acting on behalf of his US task masters.

I suggest a ceremonial burning of Ford flags in front of the Geelong engine plant be organised. Mine is ready.

FF

MITCHAY · 19-07-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Geoff understood the Australian market. The problem is that this decision was not decided by Tom Gorman. He is just a stooge acting on behalf of his US task masters.

I suggest a ceremonial burning of Ford flags in front of the Geelong engine plant be organised. Mine is ready.

FF

But they want to play in the GLOBAL MARKET now. The I6 doesn't fit in with those plans.

MRJUCY · 19-07-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VeloXR6

Do your research ... 335i is an I6

As you would say DUH interesting to note the performance model has a V motor tho isn't it?