Covid 19 -

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

So why do I keep seeing Tassy registered campervans and caravans driving north up the Hume from Melbourne. ? Usually around the same driving time which coincidences with the ferry arrival in Port Melbourne.

Opening our borders to others not stopping Tasmanians from leaving I'd assume.

But honestly I don't know, just passing on what the Premier said.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Fed

Tasmanians moving to Australia to escape the virus.

Not a problem here at all.

That could change anytime like NZ though so who knows.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

So why do I keep seeing Tassy registered campervans and caravans driving north up the Hume from Melbourne. ? Usually around the same driving time which coincidences with the ferry arrival in Port Melbourne.

Probably because there are no restrictions on leaving Tassie.The borders are only closed to the disease carriers from the big island. When Tasmanians return they have to go into quarantine for 2 weeks

[prydey]

i think if you are caught out and about showing symptoms of COVID, then you should be forced to be tested, and if the results come back positive, then a massive fine for not being in some sort of isolation.

this might help those who are struggling with the simple concept that other states seem to be having no issue with.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

i think if you are caught out and about showing symptoms of COVID, then you should be forced to be tested, and if the results come back positive, then a massive fine for not being in some sort of isolation.

this might help those who are struggling with the simple concept that other states seem to be having no issue with.

I'm interested in the legalities around trying to force testing on people - VIC Government is currently seeking legal advice over this as there's circa 30% of quarantines refusing testing.

[Citroënbender]

You can either volunteer for a swab test, or they hand you to the vets for temperature checking?

[Sprintey]

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coron...4-4e2e7abd1d29

from Franco's link

My eldest traveled all through southern Europe in their summer in 2019, and got nailed by a flu while there. Crazy to read this.

Spanish Flu 2? Pity, I liked the Batlady memes

[Franco Cozzo]

Here's an interesting scenario, we've got two sides of the fence in this discussion.

If you were the grand poobah of the government and country - how would you handle COVID-19 outbreak in Australia?

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Here's an interesting scenario, we've got two sides of the fence in this discussion.

If you were the grand poobah of the government and country - how would you handle COVID-19 outbreak in Australia?

Free cheeseburgers for everyone!!!

Ask Trump if we can borrow all their aircraft carriers to tow Tasmania to Antarctica, then sink it.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Here's an interesting scenario, we've got two sides of the fence in this discussion.

If you were the grand poobah of the government and country - how would you handle COVID-19 outbreak in Australia?

I would lock you b@stards up for 2-4 weeks, Xi style. Troops at every road in and out of every state. Would have eliminated the virus. Should be easy to do with a population of only 27m. Then open everything and get back to normal. Pretty simple formula really. Maybe I can replace Dr Murphy.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Probably because there are no restrictions on leaving Tassie.The borders are only closed to the disease carriers from the big island. When Tasmanians return they have to go into quarantine for 2 weeks

Sounds pretty stupid to me. Uh, they are passing through Melbourne Aust biggest hotspot with the potential to pass this on throughout Vic, NSW and the ACT.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Free cheeseburgers for everyone!!!

Ask Trump if we can borrow all their aircraft carriers to tow Tasmania to Antarctica, then sink it.

Yeah if you did that C.K at least the country would be even with the virus in every state rather than have a little, clean, unaffected island hanging off the bottom

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I'm interested in the legalities around trying to force testing on people - VIC Government is currently seeking legal advice over this as there's circa 30% of quarantines refusing testing.

Franco if they can write your car off the road for a offensive window sticker to them, i'm sure a little forced nasal probing is not out of the question.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Yeah if you did that C.K at least the country would be even with the virus in every state rather than have a little, clean, unaffected island hanging off the bottom

With the informal reputation of the LGH, I can understand vulnerable people wanting to get sick somewhere else.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

With the informal reputation of the LGH, I can understand vulnerable people wanting to get sick somewhere else.

Probably best that you don’t believe everything the facebook experts post!!

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Sounds pretty stupid to me. Uh, they are passing through Melbourne Aust biggest hotspot with the potential to pass this on throughout Vic, NSW and the ACT.

That's correct it is stupid, but it's the problem of the NSW, VIC & ACT Govco because they haven't closed their borders to entry (between states/territories), anyone can wander in because no state or Territory has prevented anyone from actually leaving them, the difference is QLD, WA, SA, Tas and the NT have closed borders to all but essential arrivals….

I’m heading back to Darwin on the 6th July and leaving QLD is no problem at all, I don’t need any paperwork, don’t need to do a thing….getting in to the NT is another thing entirely though including self-isolating for 14 days before leaving and filling out a whole bunch of forms, checklist’s and declarations. When i arrive i will spend the night in a hotel and will have to remain there, the next morning I with the rest of the joining crew will be transported to the ship where we will have to remain for the duration of our swing, no nipping up the road when back in for port calls.....

Hopefully when crew change next comes around the border restrictions between NT & QLD have been relaxed

[Franco Cozzo]

Flinders Street Station staff are testing positive to COVID-19

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...28-p556wq.html

This is Melbourne's major metro rail terminal

The cleaner was immediately sent home after feeling ill and later tested positive for coronavirus. Metro Trains did not tell its workers at the station for more than a week.

Lol

[blueoval]

Something tells me the situation in the Melbourne suburbs is a lot worse than whats being reported.

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Here's an interesting scenario, we've got two sides of the fence in this discussion.

If you were the grand poobah of the government and country - how would you handle COVID-19 outbreak in Australia?

When it first happened I'd have shut the boarders to international arrivals, locked everyone down for 6 weeks, any returning citizens would get a gaol like 2+ week isolation, properly enforced.

That should have hit it on the head.

Then reopen everything with ALL international arrivals getting a mandatory quarantine at THEIR expense, including citizens after a certain date.

In hindsight that may have been overkill but with the information at the time that is what I would have done. 6 week hardcore shutdown then hard boarder policing. No self isolation. No exceptions.

[blueoval]

Isn't that what NZ did with their complete lockdown?

[Franco Cozzo]

Pappa Andrews

- refusing testing in quarantine extends the stay by a further 10 days making a total of 24 days.

- can involve a fine if they refuse testing also

- results for hotspot suburbs expected on Tuesday

- today's numbers are 49 new cases in VIC and only 4 from outbreaks, additional case from reffo family get together.

- Coles Keilor Downs staff member infected, total of 4 cases from that outbreak.

[russellw]

46 new cases for Australia (41 in Victoria) and no deaths so CMR drops to 1.361% and active cases rise to 558 (7.3%).

2 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.445% and active cases rise to 16.

The UK had 890 new cases and 100 deaths so the CMR is down to 14.025%.

Just over 48k new cases in the USA yesterday and 860 deaths sees CMR down to 5.0% and active cases up 53.1% and the raw numbers are rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The global case numbers pass 10M and deaths pass 500k;
North America passes 3M cases;
The UK completes 9M tests;
India passes 0.5M total cases;
North America had another day with more than 50k new cases;
Asiarecorded its highest daily new cases with 46,592;
Africa recorded its highest daily new cases with 11,954;

Liberia (45), El Salvador (210), Palestine (258), Kenya (278), Kyrgyzstan (309), Kazakhstan (569), Israel (621), Nigeria (779), Indonesia (1,385), Colombia (4,149), South Africa (7,2120), India (20,131) and the USA (48,008) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Cav]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Pappa Andrews

- refusing testing in quarantine extends the stay by a further 10 days making a total of 24 days.

- can involve a fine if they refuse testing also

- results for hotspot suburbs expected on Tuesday

- today's numbers are 49 new cases in VIC and only 4 from outbreaks, additional case from reffo family get together.

- Coles Keilor Downs staff member infected, total of 4 cases from that outbreak.

What's this refusing testing ****?

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Cav

What's this refusing testing ****?

Third of returned Aussie travellers refusing COVID-19 testing in Victorian hotspots

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...0-f24e63b31fdb

Almost a third of returned travellers in hotel quarantine in Victoria have been refusing to be tested for coronavirus.

Deputy Chief Health Officer Annaliese van Diemen confirmed yesterday about 30 per cent of international travellers, approximately 5,000 people, were refusing to be tested despite multiple offers during their 14-day stay.

Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy said people in hotel quarantine need to be tested for the virus at the start and end of their stay.

"That 30 per cent is quite a high rate, other states haven't seen the same rate of refusal," he said in Canberra on Friday.
"But states have the powers ... to say to someone, 'Well, we won't let you out of quarantine until you've been tested and had a clear test'.
"We will ... make sure that people understand before they come that this is a requirement. I think most people will co-operate with that arrangement."

Victoria has ramped up testing, conducting 20,000 since Thursday, bringing the total tests in the state to more than 736,000.
The state is concentrating its testing efforts on 10 suburbs with high community transmission: Keilor Downs, Broadmeadows, Maidstone, Albanvale, Sunshine West, Hallam, Brunswick West, Fawkner, Reservoir and Pakenham.
Public health officials are doorknocking the streets of the six local government areas identified as COVID-19 hot spots to ensure residents are doing the right thing.

These areas are the Melbourne municipalities of Brimbank, Cardinia, Casey, Darebin, Hume and Moreland.
As the state's cases climb, up to 200 specialist medical and support personnel from the Australian Defence Force will be called in to help with the testing blitz from Saturday.
The number was revised down from the 1000 the government earlier requested.
More than 1700 people have recovered from the virus in Victoria while 20 have died.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Cav

What's this refusing testing ****?

Their right ?

5G ?

Micro chips in their heads ?

[russellw]

It's been awhile since I've looked at the USA in detail but the worst hit states in terms of total cases remain relatively unchanged with New York, New Jersey, California (+1), Illinois (-1) and Massachusetts making up the worst five as well as 43% of the total cases in the USA. Indeed, New York has 18.2% of all the USA cases and 25.9% of the deaths while only having 5.87% of the population.

Cases per 100k of population is obviously led by New York with 2,090 and New Jersey with 1,909 but Rhode Island (1,535) jumps into 3rd ahead of Massachusetts (1,521) and DC with 1,365. In terms of sub-groups, the US military actually fares worst overall with 6,500 cases per 100k followed by Federal prison inmates with 4,780.

It's a different story for CMR with Connecticut (9.29%), Michigan (9.08%), New York (7.64%), Pennsylvania (7.57%) and New Jersey (7.56%) making up the worst five. Only Utah remains under 1% CMR.

In terms of deaths per 100k of population, New York (159.7) and New Jersey (144.2) are way out in front of Connecticut (118.4), Massachusetts (105.7) and Rhode Island (82.9). Hawaii (1.2), Alaska (1.6), Montana (1.8), Puerto Rico (2.9) and Guam (3.02) have the best numbers.

[Franco Cozzo]

'Dishonest': COVIDSafe app has not detected a case despite 6 million downloads

The federal government's COVIDSafe app has not identified any close contacts of a person infected with coronavirus who had not already been found through manual contact tracing, despite being downloaded by more than 6 million Australians in two months.

As the number of infections soars in Victoria, Centre Alliance senator Rex Patrick said the government was being dishonest about the effectiveness of the app, which Prime Minister Scott Morrison touted as "sunscreen" against major outbreaks and as the key to lifting restrictions.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...27-p556s7.html

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

That's correct it is stupid, but it's the problem of the NSW, VIC & ACT Govco because they haven't closed their borders to entry (between states/territories), anyone can wander in because no state or Territory has prevented anyone from actually leaving them, the difference is QLD, WA, SA, Tas and the NT have closed borders to all but essential arrivals….

I’m heading back to Darwin on the 6th July and leaving QLD is no problem at all, I don’t need any paperwork, don’t need to do a thing….getting in to the NT is another thing entirely though including self-isolating for 14 days before leaving and filling out a whole bunch of forms, checklist’s and declarations. When i arrive i will spend the night in a hotel and will have to remain there, the next morning I with the rest of the joining crew will be transported to the ship where we will have to remain for the duration of our swing, no nipping up the road when back in for port calls.....

Hopefully when crew change next comes around the border restrictions between NT & QLD have been relaxed

Due to this stupid move, I reckon QLD will not reopen its border with NSW for a while, maybe even spring.
Imagine all the southern state grey nomads amassing on the southern side of the Tweed, waiting to flood QLD if it opens while it still winter.

Just this weekend we have had an influx of Melbourne refugees hanging around the North East and not abiding by the rules.
They were advised not to leave Melbourne to go on holidays but here they are the stupid f***ers.

DJR stay safe.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Due to this stupid move, I reckon QLD will not reopen its border with NSW for a while, maybe even spring.
Imagine all the southern state grey nomads amassing on the southern side of the Tweed, waiting to flood QLD if it opens while it still winter.

Just this weekend we have had an influx of Melbourne refugees hanging around the North East and not abiding by the rules.
They were advised not to leave Melbourne to go on holidays but here they are the stupid f***ers.

DJR stay safe.

I went to visit my sister in Castlemaine a few weeks ago and it was absolutely packed with people coming up on day trips hanging about town, so much so you couldn't get car parking and the bloody fancy cafe run outta Souvlaki!

I've never seen Castlemaine so busy.

5 people maximum in the cafe which was enforced, but everyone was hanging about shoulder to shoulder outside in a huge group.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I went to visit my sister in Castlemaine a few weeks ago and it was absolutely packed with people coming up on day trips hanging about town, so much so you couldn't get car parking and the bloody fancy cafe run outta Souvlaki!

I've never seen Castlemaine so busy.

5 people maximum in the cafe which was enforced, but everyone was hanging about shoulder to shoulder outside in a huge group.

Thanks Franco, definitely won't be going anywhere near those quarries there now for a while.