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Couple of questions...
Does the diesel in Australia have a DMF, being an automatic? I kind of think probably not, most automatics don't really have any flywheel at all... although it IS a DCT... But if it does, has anyone had to replace theirs? How many km can one be expected to last? |
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The MD Mondeo Diesel when fitted with the MPS6/6DCT450 transmission (and perhaps other transmissions as well) does have a DMF. In terms of their life expectancy, it can be anything from 160-300k and sometimes more and the DMF alone is likely to set you back $700+.
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Thanks, although not what I was hoping to hear!
With their water pumps, thermostat housings, EGR housings, rear shock absorbers, electric handbrakes, electric steering racks and now this, it seems the MD is just loaded with expensive time bombs! Starting to wonder if it's worth keeping it. We have a really nice MC... |
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Mine was making some awful sounds recently but magically cleared up the next day. ~170,000km https://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11499506 |
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On a bit more research, (and correct me if I'm wrong, information seems to be very thin on the ground) it seems that the MD has a DMF to replace the function of the damper springs in the DCT450.
The MD transmission is designated DCT451, and doesn't have the damper springs and plastic retainers that cause all the problems with the DCT450.. So eventually there will be a DMF to replace, but hopefully you avoid many of the transmission problems. This might even be a positive trade-off! |
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Hi Guys,
I'm new here - this is my first post (even though I joined a while back, but haven't had to ask much so far). Looks like that's gonna change... I have a 2011 TDCi DCT Wagon, 259,000k's. Has had the dreaded (#1) clutch judder problem for a long time, but been living with it. Love the car despite this, and just bought a neglected 2013 Titanium TDCi DCT Hatchback cheap. It needs TLC, but the clutches & gearbox seem okay - what I focussed on when testing it... Noticed that it (the whole car) vibrated a bit, but put it down to the RH engine mount being completely toast - "popped", cap half off, spitting oil everywhere, so didn't worry too much. Later found that the vibrations varied a lot, depending on what side of bed it got out on. The next day, it vibrated like Hell! For a while I thought it might be a DMF issue but changing the mount fixed that. Before I got hold of a used mount, did some research on the DMF question and found a heap of confusion out there, hence my question here. I got the new mount from a "Pull-it-yourself" wreckers yard, so got to see a lot more than just the Parts Counter. Found another 2013 (Auto of some sort), the engine was out, the trans gone, so got a good look at the flywheel. Definitely not a DMF, but quite thin to what I'd expect for a diesel. Have photo if anyone can tell me the best way to post it. It has an 8-position "dog" at the centre, that the DCT clutch pack (or Torque Converter?) obviously mates with, and this eliminated a lot of my concerns. Thought others would be interested to see it. Anyway, my question - I can't figure out the MA, MB, MC etc marques. Nor can I figure out the engine designations but I'll ask that separately if necessary. Can anyone tell me what the Mx designations mean, and when they change? My research seems to say year and/or body style, but if someone could clarify for me, that would be great. The Titanium seems to be a BA7 (if you believe our MV Registry data, a lot of which is wrong), and this just adds to my confusion. All further comments welcome. Cheers, Al Last edited by AlCan; 15-06-2024 at 12:03 PM. Reason: Paragraph spacing... Spelling, missing word |
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Hi Al, welcome to the forums
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I've had a look at the "flywheel" fitted to DCT450 equipped cars too. Just pulled out the transmission on a Kuga. (Avoid THAT job if you can!)
Yeah, there's really no flywheel, similarly to normal automatic transmissions except the torque converter doesn't bolt on, it just dogs in. Makes at least that part of the job easier, I'm hoping putting the box back in isn't a problem. I guess the damper springs replaces the damping function of the flywheel. From talking to an expert on these transmissions, the shuddering is likely a symptom of the damper springs' plastic retainers breaking up, which eventually sees plastic fragments finding their way into the valve body. I'm not sure how they get through the internal filter, but they definitely do. If you're keen and have a spare day, you can pull the valve body out and clean out the plastic bits. It might fix the shuddering for a while. The Kuga I'm working on had a bit jammed in a small plastic orifice inside the valve body, and another piece in one of the clutch pressure control valves. It was giving a fairly violent clutch engagement moving off in first. Anyway good luck with the cars, they are nice to drive. Attached a photo of the blocked orifice. It's about 0.5mm. Last edited by AlanM; 27-06-2024 at 04:51 PM. |
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Hi Mondaveo, AlanM,
Thanks to you both for your replies. You guys are Awesome! Yes, Mondaveo, that info is very helpful, thanks. Yours too AlanM. I'll take up that question re plastic bits later. This is only a quick reply as it's getting late here, but both Mondeos have had to take a backseat for the time being. I will have to do some work re posting photos, but I have a bunch of them now that I imagine people would like to see - taken during my trip to the wreckers yard. I always wondered where the oil pressure switch was, likewise the thermostat - but I gather there might be two??? Unfortunately, they take the plates and VINs off cars being wrecked, so it's hard to identify what exactly they are, but the one I photographed was reportedly a 2013. I only went for the engine mount but it expanded into a photo session. Just didn't get as far as checking to see if the shift lever was still in place or if it was a Powershift, but I think it had to be. I don't know if they sold any manual trans models here in NZ, but I have yet to see one. Anyway, time's up. You know... Later Guys, Al Last edited by AlCan; 27-06-2024 at 08:58 PM. Reason: Anyone know why I get double line paragraph spacing? |
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You get double line para spacing in Firefox unless you add a mod to the config to stop it happening. Google the issue and you'll find a fix for whatever FF version you are running.
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Thanks again russellw!You clearly have a phenomenal memory. We are very blessed to have you as Chairman.
I have now seen lots of Results on this but the best-looking one didn't fix it. (So often the way!) At least, now I know what to look for. Last edited by russellw; Today at 10:55 AM. |
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Doing some reading, I see there is now a fix I can implement at this end so I've implemented that this morning and we can see what happens.
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