Covid 19 -

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If you want to stay in the Northern suburbs close to the airport check out Hyatt Place in Essendon Fields, it's pretty reasonably priced, the facilities are good too as it's new, there's a restaurant attached to it and it's a short walk from the 59 tram on Matthews Avenue if you want to go into the city and Keilor Road Niddre restaurant strip is around the corner.

Alternatively Atlantis Hotel on Spencer Street in Melbourne CBD is a cheap 4 star hotel about 200m away from Southern Cross station if you want public transport access.

They'll both be around $200 per night across weekends but sometimes you can get the Atlantis for $90-$130 per night during the week.

Might be public holiday tax involved though.

I got a room at the Treasury Hotel in Brisbane for $156 which I'm pretty surprised about given its next to the casino but accomodation everywhere other than Melbourne and Sydney seems cheap

Thanks mate Ill look into those, will still hold off another week to see how ti falls.

With all the corporate cancellations I would expect some books to free up.

The next question will be morally do we travel? Tough one.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Polyal

The next question will be morally do we travel? Tough one.

We have a trip to Lord Howe Island booked for April. If the LHI council dont lock the island down, we're still hoping to be there. If they do, thats the only way we'll get a refund, travel insurance is meaningless in a pandemic.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Thanks mate Ill look into those, will still hold off another week to see how ti falls.

With all the corporate cancellations I would expect some books to free up.

The next question will be morally do we travel? Tough one.

I guess we'll all end up with it eventually so what's the difference if you get it now or later? I'm not planning on 'social distancing', the weekends are still fair game for me.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I guess we'll all end up with it eventually so what's the difference if you get it now or later? I'm not planning on 'social distancing', the weekends are still fair game for me.

We have 2000 ICU beds nation wide. If 5% of cases require critical care, that's equivalent to 40,000 cases total. While we can stay on top of it, the mortality rate remains low, under 1% with high level/quality care.

If we exceed the number of ICU beds, the mortality rate increases. Italy has a better health system than ours. But its capacity has been exceeded, and this is reflected in the mortality rate:

Mar 2 - 2036 cases, 52 deaths, 2.5% CFR
Mar 9 - 9172 cases, 463 deaths, 5.0% CFR
Mar 16 - 27980 cases, 2158 deaths 7.7% CFR

The whole point of trying to slow the spread is to reduce the burden on the hospital system.

But hey, if you think it's acceptable, then don't complain if you have a bad reaction to it, and rather than receiving care, you're triaged instead in the hallway like they are in Italy... and left to die.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b0son

We have 2000 ICU beds nation wide. If 5% of cases require critical care, that's equivalent to 40,000 cases total. While we can stay on top of it, the mortality rate remains low, under 1% with high level/quality care.

If we exceed the number of ICU beds, the mortality rate increases. Italy has a better health system than ours. But its capacity has been exceeded, and this is reflected in the mortality rate:

Mar 2 - 2036 cases, 52 deaths, 2.5% CFR
Mar 9 - 9172 cases, 463 deaths, 5.0% CFR
Mar 16 - 27980 cases, 2158 deaths 7.7% CFR

The whole point of trying to slow the spread is to reduce the burden on the hospital system.

But hey, if you think it's acceptable, then don't complain if you have a bad reaction to it, and rather than receiving care, you're triaged instead in the hallway like they are in Italy... and left to die.

Mortality rate is 0.2% in my age group - its very much the exception not the rule, I'll take my chances - more chance of winning lotto than karking it from the beervirus.

Absolute worst case for Australia they quoted 150,000 deaths by the time its done and dusted, you know, the same amount of people who die from accidents and natural causes every year in Australia.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Mortality rate is 0.2% in my age group - its very much the exception not the rule, I'll take my chances - more chance of winning lotto than karking it from the beervirus.

And what about your older friends/relatives? Like vaccination, social distancing during a pandemic is a social responsibility.

Absolute worst case for Australia they quoted 150,000 deaths by the time its done and dusted, you know, the same amount of people who die from accidents and natural causes every year in Australia.

That number is based on 20% infection rate and the current global fatality rate. Neither of those numbers are worst case.

It's attitudes like yours that are why we need a lockdown, because people cant be trusted to be sensible or responsible.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b0son

And what about your older friends/relatives? Like vaccination, social distancing during a pandemic is a social responsibility.



That number is based on 20% infection rate and the current global fatality rate. Neither of those numbers are worst case.

It's attitudes like yours that are why we need a lockdown, because people cant be trusted to be sensible or responsible.

Chicken Little attitudes like yours are why people are punching up over toilet paper and people are raiding the shops running them out of stock all over the nation making it difficult to get the essentials.

I'm the sensible one here, rather than crashing the economy and causing enormous damage over an overblown cold that came out of China because how much of a dirty backwards society they have.

[oldel]

I'm socially isolated already and too poor to go out to pubs, restaurants or music/sports events
Welcome to my life.

Sucks I can't get pasta, canned fish, baked beans or toilet paper though. That's kind of the things I need every week and I don't buy fresh meat or diary.
Welcome to my diet you hoarders

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Chicken Little attitudes like yours are why people are punching up over toilet paper

No, it's because its apparent we'll go into lockdown at some point, but the government are more concerned about looking like they're in control rather than being straight with people and spelling out what a lockdown will look like.

Most people assume it means they cant work, period. Even though most people will still be able to. They assume they wont be able to go shopping, but most people will still be able to.

Keeping people in the dark is what causes panic.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Mortality rate is 0.2% in my age group - its very much the exception not the rule, I'll take my chances - more chance of winning lotto than karking it from the beervirus.

Absolute worst case for Australia they quoted 150,000 deaths by the time its done and dusted, you know, the same amount of people who die from accidents and natural causes every year in Australia.

The fear porn merchants stating the 150,000 deaths should be held accountable if they are incorrect. And they will be. This type of ill informed, if not fake news reporting, causes the average low intelligence person to panic and bulk buy.

80% of people who catch Covid-19 will have minor symptoms.

The beat up of Covid-19 in the media is abhorrent. Ebola, which had a 90% fatality rate received no where near the amount of media exposed this minor flu like virus has.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The fear porn merchants stating the 150,000 deaths should be held accountable if they are incorrect. And they will be. This type of ill informed, if not fake news reporting, causes the average low intelligence person to panic and bulk buy.

80% of people who catch Covid-19 will have minor symptoms.

The beat up of Covid-19 in the media is abhorrent. Ebola, which had a 90% fatality rate received no where near the amount of media exposed this minor flu like virus has.

No one holds the media accountable for the BS they throw out, but they're the first to whinge about the government getting involved.

There should be standards on reporting, all journalists are these days is university educated propagandists working for their corporate overlords selling half truths.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The fear porn merchants stating the 150,000 deaths should be held accountable if they are incorrect.

If we don't have 150,000 fatalities, it will be because we took steps to prevent it. Following your logic, drink drivers should be let go because they haven't caused a crash yet.

The beat up of Covid-19 in the media is abhorrent. Ebola, which had a 90% fatality rate received no where near the amount of media exposed this minor flu like virus has.

It had a lot of exposure at the height of the epidemic. Ebola, by the time its contagious, leaves people bedridden. They are effectively self-isolating. That's why it doesn't spread anything like a flu.