XY GTHO - Bathurst 08 - Page 4

4Vman · 28-05-2008, 09:17 PM

Unique cars did a vid a while back which featured some Group Nc stuff from eastern creek, in the race shown Tilley started from the rear of the field in the Green XY and sliced through the entire field bar the leaders in about 3 laps! amazing footage...

4Vman · 28-05-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

The Chargers have spanked the field in Appendix J at the last few historic race meets that I have been to. These have included the Winton short course and Phillip Island. That Falcon would have no hope whatsoever at the Winton short course.

As for the Biante cars, I couldn't give a damn, the V8Supertaxis can have them.

Nobody of any note races appendix j anymore though.. they've all defected to the TCM series.
At Phillip Island last year at the V8SC final in the biante series races with all present including the fastest chargers in the country they were mid packers... the Mustangs, Camaro's and Falcons spanked them.

Road Games · 28-05-2008, 09:55 PM

That just made my night !!

Walks out to his 14 sec falcon .....

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Time to resurrect the XD i think ?

FTe342 · 28-05-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

the 7th blurr round

Here's the results from the first race he was in that day... for reference, he's got the 7th fastest lap in the race.

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re.../2008.BATH.C18
Elsegood ran a 2:34 in another Nc XY

Results from the race in the vid:
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re.../2008.BATH.C29

Fastest lap I could find for Matt Mgrath was 2006, he ran a 2:39.

End game is an Nc Falcon would make mincemeat of your Tickford Taxi, despite all its wizzbang brakes and tyres...

What's your agenda? So you agree with me then! Low 2.40's around Bathurst is nothing spectacular. He 's no faster than a taxi.

As with any performance car, its all about power to weight ratio. The thing is on a track like Bathurst with its long straights it wouldn't matter if he was running on wagon wheels.

**Falcon Coupe** · 28-05-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shaynet

What's your agenda? So you agree with me then! Low 2.40's around Bathurst is nothing spectacular. He 's no faster than a taxi.

As with any performance car, its all about power to weight ratio. The thing is on a track like Bathurst with its long straights it wouldn't matter if he was running on wagon wheels.

The agenda i see started here:

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Originally Posted by shaynet

So as impressive as it does look and sound, its pretty average. Just ask the BA 290 boys and they'll tell you how much faster their Bosses are than a T3.

For the record, he would have been doing 240kph into the Chase as thats what I was doing to run that time

Can we not all agree it's a good video without usual T series vs the world coming into it.

xbgs351 · 28-05-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Nobody of any note races appendix j anymore though.. they've all defected to the TCM series.
At Phillip Island last year at the V8SC final in the biante series races with all present including the fastest chargers in the country they were mid packers... the Mustangs, Camaro's and Falcons spanked them.

A Charger broke the lap record at Winton last year.

As for the Biante cars, they are not even pretending to be historic any more. They are going the way of V8Supertaxis, with there being less and less production basis to them all the time. Jim Richard's car featured in another thread at the moment is a classic example of this. So as far as all those of 'note' leaving Appendix J, I say goodbye to bad rubbish.

Given that Phillip Island is such a power circuit, it's not all surprising that big cube V8's have an advantage of the 6 cylinder Chryslers.

jaydee · 29-05-2008, 12:53 AM

Just watched it again.

Thats not racing.

Thats mass murder.

T3-STROKER · 29-05-2008, 12:58 AM

I just lov the forums,I have a good old 'LOL' to me self its a good thing,but the thing is at the end of the day we all drive fords no matter how fast thay go or how slow thay go,how old thay are or how new thay are,if its got a ford badg on it,its a good thing top vid ratman good to see.

deesun · 29-05-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by T3-STROKER

I just lov the forums,I have a good old 'LOL' to me self its a good thing,but the thing is at the end of the day we all drive fords no matter how fast thay go or how slow thay go,how old thay are or how new thay are,if its got a ford badg on it,its a good thing top vid ratman good to see.

Couldn't have said it better. Thank you for your sanity.

4Vman · 29-05-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

A Charger broke the lap record at Winton last year.

As for the Biante cars, they are not even pretending to be historic any more. They are going the way of V8Supertaxis, with there being less and less production basis to them all the time. Jim Richard's car featured in another thread at the moment is a classic example of this. So as far as all those of 'note' leaving Appendix J, I say goodbye to bad rubbish.

Given that Phillip Island is such a power circuit, it's not all surprising that big cube V8's have an advantage of the 6 cylinder Chryslers.

That's true, im not a great fan of where the TCM regs are heading..... bit harsh about the participants though, it would be nice if they kept the essence of the category based on Appendix J though.
Which lap record and which version of winton did the charger break?
Not trying to take anything away from it but if there was ever a circuit that would favour the chargers its winton.

xbgs351 · 29-05-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

That's true, im not a great fan of where the TCM regs are heading..... bit harsh about the participants though, it would be nice if they kept the essence of the category based on Appendix J though.
Which lap record and which version of winton did the charger break?
Not trying to take anything away from it but if there was ever a circuit that would favour the chargers its winton.

Yes I meant the cars. There is no place for cars like that at Historic race meets.

It was the short course. I think the lap record had been held by John Mann, who was Victorias front runner in a Mustang until he retired just recently.

The meeting at Phillip Island that was won by a Charger had two full grids of Appendix J cars, so it was a fair effort.

xbgs351 · 29-05-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutley

4V man, what was the best lap time for the PH III in 1971 and what does the current BF do?

In 1972, the fastest lap was set by a Moffat at 2:36.5

In 2008, the fastest laps at the 12 hour by a BF XR8 was 2:39.38

Gammaboy · 29-05-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

In 1972, the fastest lap was set by a Moffat at 2:36.5

In 2008, the fastest laps at the 12 hour by a BF XR8 was 2:39.38

72 was the Group C XY?

xbgs351 · 29-05-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

72 was the Group C XY?

Yes first year. It's a better comparison to the Nc cars and the current improved production cars.

**Mont5.0** · 29-05-2008, 10:18 AM

The second vid with the ESCORT is a mad bit of driving also.

4Vman · 29-05-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

In 1972, the fastest lap was set by a Moffat at 2:36.5

In 2008, the fastest laps at the 12 hour by a BF XR8 was 2:39.38

Pretty impressive when you think about it, the track has improved 100 fold since 1972, and even though the chase slows them down the improvents would go some way to balance that off.
The Moffs 72 spec GTHO is probably as close as you'll get to the current Nc cars..

Gammaboy · 29-05-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Pretty impressive when you think about it, the track has improved 100 fold since 1972, and even though the chase slows them down the improvents would go some way to balance that off.
The 72 spec XY is probably as close as you'll get to the current Nc cars..

Bit short on power compared to an Nc car (400-450hp for the group C car), but in terms of everything else its not far off (modern racing crosspiles are grippier, brakes are comparable).

xbgs351 · 29-05-2008, 10:28 AM

Personally, I don't think the Chase slows the lap times much at all and this is supported by the similarity in lap times from the year before and after the Chase was installed. If you have seen footage/photos from the early 70's, the improvement in the rest of the track is amazing.

Here is another comparison; Paul Stubber has done 2:29's in his Nc Camaro.

And in 1971, Bob Morris in a HO did a 2:40

4Vman · 29-05-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

Personally, I don't think the Chase slows the lap times much at all and this is supported by the similarity in lap times from the year before and after the Chase was installed. If you have seen footage/photos from the early 70's, the improvement in the rest of the track is amazing.

Here is another comparison; Paul Stubber has done 2:29's in his Nc Camaro.

And in 1971, Bob Morris in a HO did a 2:40

Yeah i agree.
Im Pretty sure Stubber was clocked at 301kph on that lap too!

Mutley · 29-05-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

In 1972, the fastest lap was set by a Moffat at 2:36.5

In 2008, the fastest laps at the 12 hour by a BF XR8 was 2:39.38

Thanks for that XBGS351

BENT_8 · 31-05-2008, 10:08 PM

Mad clip, loved the way the shaker rocked under acceleration and engine braking.
But i think you guys are getting a bit carried away, looking at the results from the race he was the only v8 racing 4/6cyl cars, not a monaro or XU-1 in sight.
Would you call Mohammad Ali in his prime V's Anthony Mundine a fair fight?

**Elks** · 01-06-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

In 1972, the fastest lap was set by a Moffat at 2:36.5

In 2008, the fastest laps at the 12 hour by a BF XR8 was 2:39.38

That is crazy fast considering it was a cool 36 years ago.

rodderz · 01-06-2008, 01:01 AM

Hows this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U19e...eature=related

Great driving, but lucky that 4-5 cars didnt end up in the wall before and after the cutting

FlipXW · 01-06-2008, 01:07 AM

That one ballsy driver ^^^. He was going so much harder than everyone else, few close calls eh.

fullysik.com · 01-06-2008, 01:09 AM

"The Moffs 72 spec GTHO is probably as close as you'll get to the current Nc cars.."

Moffs XY is nothing like current NC cars, it's 20 sec off the pace for a start as Moff qualified in 2.45's, they now use race seats not originals and a bath mat, tyres are nothing like what was available and the brakes now are no where near what they were back in Moffs day, piston size is now massive!!!!the latter years of GroupC are more like current NC cars
and the Biante series is an absolute joke, this is not what the historics should be about but that's another discussion.

Gammaboy · 01-06-2008, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fullysik.com

"The Moffs 72 spec GTHO is probably as close as you'll get to the current Nc cars.."

Moffs XY is nothing like current NC cars, it's 20 sec off the pace for a start as Moff qualified in 2.45's, they now use race seats not originals and a bath mat, tyres are nothing like what was available and the brakes now are no where near what they were back in Moffs day, piston size is now massive!!!!the latter years of GroupC are more like current NC cars
and the Biante series is an absolute joke, this is not what the historics should be about but that's another discussion.

The calipers on Moffats Group C XY were superior to what you can *legally* run in Nc. Modern pad compounds are possibly better (well, Asbestos had some unique properties...). The best front caliper you can run in Nc is a HUGE cast iron (read *HEAVY*) Kelsey Hayes 4 piston caliper that came on 65/66 Lincolns, Galaxies, T-Birds and Mercury Monterys, or you can transplant a Chev caliper. The good Jag caliper misses out on homologation by 12 months.
Nc XY's aren't turning 2:25. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, modern road tires are superior to 60s/70s race rubber...
Nc and late Group C? Oh to have the brake freedoms of Group C with the engine freedoms of Nc...

Wally · 01-06-2008, 10:01 AM

Very entertaining. I've always had a soft spot for the HO.

The XP Coupe put in a stirling effort.

I only have one question.... um where are the HO's traditional rivals?

Bad Bird · 01-06-2008, 11:50 AM

I must be the only one who LOVES the Biante series. I love seeing just how fast you can make the old clunkers whilst at least LOOKING relatively period.

ZC001 · 01-06-2008, 01:33 PM

The first lap looks like my morning commute

Gavin Dunn · 08-06-2008, 09:25 PM

yer how a car should be aways tying to step out sideway at every corner and ya got love the sound of a grunty old 351 Cleveland