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Fleet Sales yes. Retail sales of Sedans, Wagons, Hatches are dying. Most retail sales are SUV or Light Trucks. (IMO Ranger, Hi Lux etc are not Utes they have absolutley no realatioship to the Lew Bandt Design.)
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Yep , has holden and commodore badge. I believe the proper-gander...
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To be fair, he said "park it.." so it's not a car, it's the final piece of "art" in the series.
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As long as you import it.
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I wonder how much money Holden/GM have just ****ed away on engineering the Insignia to fit that V6 now. No doubt Holden have probably copped a black eye from HQ for this now too, cause they were against it having a V6 too, they only wanted it to be available as a 4 cylinder, just like it is everywhere else it sells. Only Holden got the V6. Holden execs probably made a business case of selling X amount of ZB's to justify the investment needed to engineer it for V6. Which has now massively blown up in their face. There will be serious future product repercussions from this. |
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The problem for Holden will be what future GM products will be developed in RHD. The Colarado because it's built in Thailand and there is enough sales although it will not get an all-new design like Ranger in the next year so it's going to open up a generational difference that can only be saved by selling on price.
I don't know how the Acadia is justified being built in RHD and will try to find out what it's international RHD market is. I wouldn't be surprised if the Corvette RHD version is also cancelled...which then begs the question, what RHD SUV's are available to Holden from factory? I also predict the next all-new Edge/Endura will end RHD versions. The Australian government really has to come to the party and eliminate the costs of compliancing a car for our market. If a vehcile is sold in the UK or Japan and meets their safety standards it should be OK for here. |
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They do have some SUVs and Vans in their lineup But I anticipate they will drop Insignia and maybe even Astra too. depends how many Astras are selling in the UK now, where it used to be hugely popular
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Opel/Vauxhall Astra sold around 31,000 units last year(13th in sales) Corsa was #3.
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Also the previous Insignia, which was a slightly smaller car had a V6 with a turbo. The two Vectras (the Insignia's predecessor) before that, also had a V6 option. Dr Terry |
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Will it take that long?
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In regards to the Astra, you can only **** something in the **** so many times before it dies.
Mmm, lets sell rebadged Vauxhalls, nah, lets sell rebadged Izuzus, nah, Nissans, Toyotas, Opels, Daewoos, back to Opels again, more Daewoos, and back to Opels, again. I am surprised anybody knows what they sell, much less buys any. And not withstanding that they made a complete pig's ear of the whole thing, this isn't some grand strategic decision. The Astra has, for some time, been a GM product, made by Opel. The licence has expired and Opel are nolonger making them. Overall, they are simply acknowledging that they have screwed up the Australian market, because basically they don't give a rats ****, and the simplest solution is to give up and revert to flogging whatever horrible crap Americans buy. And lets be honest. Contrary to what is often claimed, there is no great paradigm shift. I have always maintained that the most versatile family car was a mid to large station wagon, preferably an aussie version with decent ground clearance. But those crafty millennials don't want station wagons. No instead they will buy a 2wd urban SUV that is mechanically identical to the FWD sedan/hatch on whose platform its built. (And pay more money for the privilege.) One 7 seater model we looked at was previously sold as a "People Mover". They gave it a facelift and its now a 7-seat "SUV". It's above shape more than anything, and those have always been in a constant state of evolution. And if you look at the Commode and the Astra, its not that those markets nolonger exist. But the market is now much more diverse, there is a lot more competition, and they are conceding the parts of the market they can nolonger dominate. There are still plenty of mid & large sedans out there, but But why buy a Ford or Chevy, when you can have a BMW or Merc. Similarly there are plenty of small hatches, but the Japs, Thais, Korean,s and Chinese all make them cheaper. Last edited by Crazy Dazz; 11-12-2019 at 06:11 PM. |
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I think PSA got Opel back into profit the next year which might say more about GM ownership...
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So what exactly went wrong with the Commodore?
Modern European styling. Latest car gadgets. Doing well in Supercars ( joke boys). Should Holden have dropped the price? Was the change of ownership of manufacturer the final knife in its back? To me it seemed like it was a competitor to the Mondeo in its turbo petrol model. I think the prices were lineball. ![]() ![]() |
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So if you take away Astra & Commodore sales from Holden's sales totals next year....where does that put them on the sales ladder?
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who cares.....
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At the current rate, they'll be down roughly 10,000 units - 6,000 Commodores and 4,000 Astra, give or take, which would put them around 12th or 13th on the list and would be fighting to stay above Subaru and Mercedes-Benz, with total sales around 40,000 units.
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And that says it all really about GM's management ability, especially outside their home market.
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