I got pulled over by an off duty cop! - Page 2

EA2BA · 27-01-2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupe

He can pull you over without a problem. As to the use of his car for speed measurement... no he couldn't .. But ... if he doesn't use that as his basis for measurement then that whole line of defense will be worthless.
From what I can gather, you are not likely to get a ticket but if you do... go and see a solicitor .. I would contest it and find out on what basis he is measuring your speed on.
Personally .. I wouldn't sweat it.

I thought it was possible to have the speedo police calibrated to be accurate, hence he could use it and it stand up in court, just what I have heard, but could be urban legend.

lv619 · 24-01-2005, 06:25 PM

You may find this article interesting
http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/porta...opDefault.aspx
inparticular this point:

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You must stop your vehicle if requested to do so by a police member, and you must obey any lawful direction given to you by a police member.

FordFan86 · 24-01-2005, 06:42 PM

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You must stop your vehicle if requested to do so by a police member, and you must obey any lawful direction given to you by a police member.

i was waiting for somebody to point that one out ;)
my dad was a copper 20+yrs ago in NZ, now he works as a security guard... He has explained to me most of what and what cannot be done

cookie_thief23 · 24-01-2005, 07:24 PM

personally i would just pull over in a well populated public place, u might find this even better than a cop shop. pull over in a cop shop and if its a real copper then ur up against 20+ cops who might give u shit for not pulling over. try pulling over at a tv station like ACA or today tonight lol

dansedgli · 24-01-2005, 07:26 PM

haha, I doubt it will go any further, I was just curious as to what I should have done.

I didnt want to give him a reason to give me a hard time with the car so I pulled over and played nice.

Thanks for the replies guys.
Dan

Sylox · 24-01-2005, 07:54 PM

With the string of Rapes that occured in Sydney a couple of years ago by a Fake Unmarked car ( Had the lights and the guys had full uniforms) The Police actually stated that if the person didnt feel safe to use your mobile phone to call a police station or 000 and give them the plate of the car thats trying to pull you up. They would then check to let you know if it was a legit copper.

Other wise I'd pull up in town or at the cop shop. Never on a dark rural road. If they want me they can follow me into a brightly lit area eg town. But if i was a fair way out of town I would use my mobile to call and find out if it was legit. And offer my reasons for not pulling up straight away..

After all flashing blue lights and a multi horn can be bought at auto barn and if you pull over and its not a cop you find your walking home.

lv619 · 24-01-2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylox

...The Police actually stated that if the person didnt feel safe to use your mobile phone to call a police station or 000 and give them the plate of the car thats trying to pull you up. They would then check to let you know if it was a legit copper...

Then they can do you over for using a mobile whilst driving...

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banarcus · 24-01-2005, 10:03 PM

I had a stupid guy going off at me while in stopped traffic. I had no idea why he was so abusive as I didn't do anything wrong. I and any other person would at the time be quite concerned as my non-response only mad this guy madder. I was forced to close my window and lock my doors. When the traffic started moving, I pulled over to the side to see what superman's problem was. He was very mad, swearing and carrying on and there were people and kids nearby. I pulled out my badge and told him to pull his head in or we can talk about it at the copshop. Straight away, old mate clammed up and walked away as if nothing had happened.

My point? It seems eveyone here is having a go at off duty coppers doing on duty stuff. What if the superman in my case did what he did to a member of the general public. It may have turned into a nasty road rage incident and who knows what would've happened. I'm sure the innocent party would have welcomed an off duty cop any day.

FNQracing · 24-01-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by banarcus

It seems eveyone here is having a go at off duty coppers doing on duty stuff.

Not from me. Should be encouraged. 99.99% of law abiding citizens would agree. Just don't go getting agro if I don't pull over when you flash your badge :ymca:

dansedgli · 24-01-2005, 10:24 PM

Yeah I didnt really mind, it was more the fact that he threatened to book me when I wasnt really speeding and him being off duty. Surely he has better things to do 1130 on a friday night than threaten to book me for doing 5 over according to his 40 year old speedo.

lv619 · 24-01-2005, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dansedgli

Yeah Surely he has better things to do 1130 on a friday night than threaten to book me for doing 5 over according to his 40 year old speedo.

He probably does it for kicks... then on saturday morning he goes for a walk with his dog and pings little kids for riding on the foot path, ROFL.

Black XR6 · 24-01-2005, 10:35 PM

No-one has said off duty cops are a nuisance or bagged them.

We need to know what we can do if an off duty unmarked car tells us to pull over. I wouldnt be too keen about pulling over even if he flashed a badge. I wouldnt know a real badge from a fake.

So Banarcas. What can we do? CAN we keep driving and go to nearest police station? Would we be intercepted by a marked car if we failed to comply.

dogbreath_48 · 24-01-2005, 11:10 PM

If i kept driving to the cop shop, i can imagine the pursuing cop going off his nut. If driving a modified car (or any car on my P's) a ****ed off cop (whether rightly so or not) is the last thing i want.
Then i've gotto admit, if it was a really random car (i.e. not a commo or falcon etc) i'd be pretty suss. I'd say wait for a lit up area.
Same goes for a minor traffic accident, heard a story a few years ago about a guy that got rear ended by a WRX, so he pulled over, and the 4 occupants (complete with balaclavas and bb bats) tried to roll him for his GT-R. Ended up throwing the keys away, only to be chased down by the WRX. Sounds like bullshit, may well be (i confess, it was in a hot4's mag) but it gets you thinking.

-Stu

MRJUCY · 25-01-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dogbreath_48

If i kept driving to the cop shop, i can imagine the pursuing cop going off his nut. If driving a modified car (or any car on my P's) a ****ed off cop (whether rightly so or not) is the last thing i want.
Then i've gotto admit, if it was a really random car (i.e. not a commo or falcon etc) i'd be pretty suss. I'd say wait for a lit up area.
Same goes for a minor traffic accident, heard a story a few years ago about a guy that got rear ended by a WRX, so he pulled over, and the 4 occupants (complete with balaclavas and bb bats) tried to roll him for his GT-R. Ended up throwing the keys away, only to be chased down by the WRX. Sounds like bullshit, may well be (i confess, it was in a hot4's mag) but it gets you thinking.

-Stu

That happened in Hunters Hill which is a fairly rich suburb in Sydney

banarcus · 24-01-2005, 11:58 PM

Well everyone here sees dickheads do stupid things on the road all the time, me included. Many times when I see a person do something dumb, I'll just ignore it. If I had to stop someone, I would'nt go crazy if I followed them to the nearest copshop. Whether they stop when I indicate to them or they drive to a police station really wouldn't bother me at all.

If you wanted to drive to the nearest Police station if an off duty police officer indicated you to stop, then go right ahead. You're not going to be crucified. If however, you drove on and on, you could easily be mistaken to be ignoring the request to stop. All in all, its an test of attitude.

Sundeep · 25-01-2005, 12:20 AM

Aight I was pulled over a few months ago by a VY SS unmarked, coming out of Chirnside Park Shopping Centre. After reading this thread I had a little think about what I could have done instead of stopping for him, I could have kept going to the nearest cop shop (5km's up the road) or I could have phoned 000 and asked for a rego verification.

I reckon if I'd done either of those things, I would have got a lot more than a defect notice just for 1 tyre. I had stockies on the back, a pod filter, uncomplied gas system (fitted by a pro don't worry) etc. etc. and he only dicked me for 1 tyre. If I'd kept going to the Police station I bet it would have ****ed the guy off, and he would have gone over the whole car with a fine tooth comb. If I had called up for a rego verification, I would either have to stop (and get f**ked up if he was a. a serial killer or b. a car thief) or keep driving and call, in which case I'd get booked for driving while on the phone.

I think I'll just stop for an unmarked.

Sundeep

xdc351 · 25-01-2005, 12:28 AM

I have gone to the nearest police station in the past and will do so again. There are people in Melbourne going around pretending to be police officers then mugging/rapeing their victims.

Not going to happen to me thats for sure! If any off duty police officer, that wants me to pull over, has a problem with me driving to the nearest police station then they'd better have a better lawyer than I do.

bigbaz · 25-01-2005, 12:38 AM

As stated by someone, the criminal code and the road traffic act etc can differ from state to state.

If your in a car you have to give name, dob, address etc. If you refuse you will be charged. What FRDXR6 was on about is true if you were just walking along the street (criminal code and police act powers). The road traffic act gives police pretty strong powers.

In regards to not stopping for a unmarked police car, you can be charged with fail to stop. This is one of many charges usually associated with police chases. If you don't stop you must have a good reason and some of what was said, like it was a rural area early hours of the morning and didn't feel safe stopping so you continued on to a police station without breaking any road rules you will get off, but you may get a defect notice (these can't be contested in court).

What XA coupe stated about the copper pulling you up off duty is correct, as long as he/she can justify why they pulled you over they're fine. He would have a very hard time given you a ticket for speeding as his speedo would not be classes as a calibrated speed measuring device. If you were doing say 120 in a 70 then he could state what his speedo was reading because you will be charged with reckless or dangerous driving instead, so having the exact speed isn't really an issue.

The above is for W.A so other states may differ. My brother in law is a copper.

Yagz · 25-01-2005, 01:04 AM

If i don't see lights on an unmarked car, I will not stop, i'll just keep driving, to either; My House, or my dad's work, or the local cop shop.

How do I know it's not some serial killer pretending to wave a badge and flash their high beams? If i see no strobes, hear no siren, then i won't stop. Simple.

**Captain Stubing** · 25-01-2005, 01:08 AM

From the start of the thread...

Dansedgli, I assume you were in an 80 zone at the time. You gave the EB a bit of stick, does that mean wheel spin, or just hard acceleration? Did the cop identify himself, and where he worked from?

I think most of the coppers who pull over cars in their own time are reasonably new to their job, and maybe on a power kick. This bloke may have wrongly inferred that you were speeding, because of your rapid acceleration.
I think he said he didn't want to book you because, a) he didn't have a ticket book on him, b) he possibly knew his speedo wasn't tested as accurate, c) he was too lazy to type up a breach report, and send a ticket in the mail when he got back to work.

Most cops with more than a few years of experience under their belt (however big that belt may be!) wouldn't be bothered about such minor matters in their own time.
Police officers have a duty in regard to preservation of life and property etc, but I think this bloke was stretching it... did he have a passenger he was trying to impress?

Not all coppers are like that.

dansedgli · 25-01-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by swanny

From the start of the thread...

Dansedgli, I assume you were in an 80 zone at the time. You gave the EB a bit of stick, does that mean wheel spin, or just hard acceleration? Did the cop identify himself, and where he worked from?

There was no wheel spin, It launches like a stock falcon just a bit louder. I didnt even get the car on boost when he was next to me. So I probably accelerated hard to 40km/h. Then cruised to about 80-85 in an 80 zone all the way.

He didnt tell me who he was or where he was from, he just flashed the badge and said nothing more about himself.

**Captain Stubing** · 25-01-2005, 09:40 AM

Well he stuffed up there, especially not being in uniform or in a work car. I guess we can assume he was a copper, as if he was pretending to be one, he would have made a big deal of introducing himself.

I reckon you struck a bit of a 'Rambo' type.

merlin · 25-01-2005, 10:44 AM

What’s all the hoo-ha about? Cops are always on duty – they don’t have to be in uniform or in a marked vehicle to pull you over and can do what they like within the bounds of the law.

As for not pulling over for an un-marked cars its not a very clever idea as firstly it is illegal (assuming the officer has identified themselves with a badge) – though if you really think you are in an unsafe situation, as others have said, drive to the nearest cop shop. Though the unmarked car probably would have radioed ahead anyway and you will get picked up by the highway patrol on the way.

PS - I’m not a cop but have a mate on the force.

ghia_drive · 26-01-2005, 03:33 PM

A couple of police officers demanded to see my licence once while I was mowing the back lawn! Apparently a car had just been observed speeding down G'borough bypass and for some reason they hassled me about it.

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cookie_thief23 · 26-01-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ghia_drive

A couple of police officers demanded to see my licence once while I was mowing the back lawn! Apparently a car had just been observed speeding down G'borough bypass and for some reason they hassled me about it.

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u sure u werent speeding along the footpath on ya ride on mower?

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InitialD · 28-01-2005, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ghia_drive

A couple of police officers demanded to see my licence once while I was mowing the back lawn! Apparently a car had just been observed speeding down G'borough bypass and for some reason they hassled me about it.

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Dont you love the G'borough Bypass? Everytime on a Friday night or saturday night Ive driven down there going home or to a mates place, They stare at me and many times pull me over. Ive gotten the stupid reasons why aswell

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champsky · 25-01-2005, 10:46 AM

lol ive only been pulled over for legit things lol, never even thought of any of that stuff happening lol

ahh how ignorance is bliss :o jk of course lol

in SA i dont think theres al that much trouble with ppl tring to intimidate cops, but them again i dont watch much new etc, and ive never heard of people heading off to the nearest cop shop, don think id be game enough to do that, dont want the cop more aggro than he already is, but like i said, ive only been pulled over for legit stuff soo......

HOON69 · 25-01-2005, 02:03 PM

actually they are never off dutie and i actually got into trouble for not pulling over one time,even to the point he ran me off the road for it,sydney cop undercover in a bus comes flying up beside me flashes badge i wave and kept going went to turn left he went around and swerved me intoa gutter got fined for not giving way at a roundabout this was down near queenbeyan btw this cop was 280k's away from home but was allowed to pull me up according to the law..

police can pull you over in personal cars but if i remember not allowed to break any road rules etc,my wife had this happen once overtook a cop off duty he was doing 40kmh in 60 zone we were at speed 60kmh and went around all legal no cars was broken lined etc he tried to follow us home we squirted a few blocks and lost him,next day he came back in cop car wanting to know who was driving,no one got fined he walked off with the poops..

so yeah it has been done a few time especially by country cops..

i doubt a xc would be accurate for a speeding device anyways

chief · 25-01-2005, 03:01 PM

I was driving with Dad at Mona Vale and a cop in a marked car pulled us over and said that we had been speeding weaving in and out of traffic. We had left the hospital there is no room to speed and it is one lane each way. Told him that the cop shop is about a 1km away, we will go there and sort this out. He begged us not to go there and was let off with a "official warning"

Another time got pulled over for not displaying my front P Plate. Told the story that I had it on when I left must have fallen off on the roads some where. The same roads you and I pay for in our taxes.
I said "Should I get out at every red light to check that my plates are still on"?
To which she replied "If that is what it takes, then yes" What sh!t.
She refused to give me her name and badge number, it has been over a year and no letter in the mail. Scr@w her!

Smoked · 26-01-2005, 12:46 AM

A different question, off Topic.

Can a Police Officer order you out of your car, or do they have ot arrest you. This is if they have pulled you over. Also, if they suspect you have illegal substances or stolen goods, can they order you out of the vehicle inorder to search it?

And, in all the runnings ive had with police, they are usually very nice, if you are nice. That said, i had one that decide to inspect my car fro Roadworthiness, and when i proceeded to exit the Vehicle, he ordered me to remain in the car. I ignored him and told him he has no right to do that. He left it at that, but can he do that?

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