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31-07-2012, 04:55 PM | #31 | |||
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People like you guys dont deserve the negative scrutiny or heat. As for the 3d printer, when the times right i'll grab one so i can make my world class golf putters lol! cheers,Maka
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31-07-2012, 05:23 PM | #32 | ||
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"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act. By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.) |
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31-07-2012, 05:37 PM | #33 | |||
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31-07-2012, 05:44 PM | #34 | ||
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You haven't quite done your due diligence on that one Reaper8
http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.co...-the-big-time/ Regardless of the author, I find the whole argument completely uncompelling. If you flood any market with a product or service, there will be an increased uptake of that product or service. More people carrying guns = more *bad* people carrying guns. You could argue that it would mean more *good* people carrying guns that could intervene to stop the *bad* people... but the argument ultimately falls flat because all you would end up with is a shoot out and stray bullets going everywhere. Better off trying to regulate the market in this case.
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31-07-2012, 05:58 PM | #35 | |||
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How to find where guns are owned legally 1:01 Part A (city) go to the gun range, as everyone who owns a gun in a city must attend the range regularly they will all be there at some time. As the only way you can transport a gun is in a car and all cars must have clearly visible number plates for speed cameras just write down the plate and then use any number of freedom of info systems to find where the car lives. Part B (country) go to any house. It is an acknowledged fact by our own ABS that there are more legal guns in Australia today than before 1996 and it is estimated by our own AFP that only 1 gun in 3 is registered and owned legally. Now a far as the "quickly amass an arsenal" paranioa when applying for a PTA it does not matter how many guns you want up to 30 at once, they are $18 each and are processed concurrently. If more than 30 are wanted the storage area must comply to a H/D standard regardless of class including A/B, the next limit is 150 after which the storage must be commercial standard. Last edited by flappist; 31-07-2012 at 06:04 PM. |
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31-07-2012, 06:15 PM | #37 | |||
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I think John Howard said it best at a Liberal conferance about the gun laws before they were brought in back in the mid nineties...he said "I realise that we are going to be placing restrictions and penalties on people who have never and will never break the law". So why do it? Also sickening are the statements that a few may remember from the anti gun lobby and doctors organisations who promised that banning certain types of guns and restricting people would lower the tragic suicide rate. They claimed it would go down markedly once guns were harder to get. A year or two later, it was tragically apparent that the suicide rate had continued it's "normal" yearly rise, and guns as a method had been replaced by other methods such as hanging or poison. The comments from the anti gun lobby? "Well at least those poor people didn't shoot themselves"...honestly... So yes, you can pass all the laws you like, restrict my useage of firearms, make it very hard and very expensive for me to own and keep my guns, make it that they can be taken away from me at a moments notice and be very hard to get back again... ...but the awkward fact is that it isn't me, as a law abiding gun owner who does a bit of target practice now and then and who will just sigh and comply with whatever convoluted restrictions are in place so I can keep doing my chosen sport, that you have to worry about... |
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31-07-2012, 06:21 PM | #38 | ||
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the big thing is they can increse the penalty to whatever they like but it is up to the judges to impose it instead of just slappin people on the wrist like they do now.
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31-07-2012, 06:36 PM | #39 | |||
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31-07-2012, 06:59 PM | #40 | |||
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Oh...and the ones stolen from the military or police stations...and the ones the bikie gangs are continually having taken off them in raids...and the ones that the authorities say are "flooding in" from Asia by mail order (somehow...not sure how that works...)...and the ones that criminals for some reason never turned up and registered like good citizens during any of the amnesties...and so forth... |
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31-07-2012, 07:08 PM | #41 | |||
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Part 2) That is because they rather sneakily classified suicide as a crime which was in fact the vast majority of gun deaths while the vast majority of suicides were not by firearm. Check the raw data not the spun version. Part 3) The maximum number of semi auto rifles owned by shooters is ZERO, none, nill, nada. The only non govt legal users of semi auto high powered rifles are professional feral animal control workers who must renew the license and registration every year and produce actual proof that the firearm is actually being used on a regular commercial basis. |
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31-07-2012, 07:15 PM | #42 | |||
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31-07-2012, 08:02 PM | #44 | ||
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Seriously? You can't own any semi auto here?
Pretty sure back home it's only military style semi autos, and full autos, plus a maximum clip capacity are the main restrictions. |
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31-07-2012, 08:18 PM | #45 | |||
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31-07-2012, 08:22 PM | #46 | |||
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01-08-2012, 12:36 AM | #47 | |||
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Don't own guns in OZ, had them in PNG when older, but first as a kid up there, circa early 70's - old PNG RSL chief use to line up soda cans and issued kids with pellet handguns to knock em down, out at his property. Thank christ the PC/dumbed-down tentancles eminating from Whitlams Australia hadn't reached us at that time. Karj, you'd be delighted that the UN arms control treaty, strongly advocated by our delightful idiot Carr, is before the US congress, smack on time with the latest mass shooting event. The idea being to eliminate by stealth the US second amendment. Noted then the idiot Bloomberg (Yes, of the financial org and NY mayor) calling for ALL US police to 'stop work' if US citizens refused to hand in their arms. Do that in LA and you'd have mass rioting within hours. I no longer watch Bloomberg. Poor America, becoming all Stasi like.
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01-08-2012, 04:54 AM | #48 | |||
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The NRA are working hard to ensure Obama and the UN madness does not get through.
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01-08-2012, 09:18 AM | #49 | |||
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I handed in a perfectly good Bentley 12 gauge 8 shot pump action shotgun back when the gun laws came in, lining up with all the other gun owners to hand them in to a police setup where they would pay you for the now-illegal gun and cheerily ask if you wanted to go out the back and witness a big grinder go straight through the action... As well as the comments in the line up about "I wonder how many criminals are here turning in illegal guns", I said to the cop behind the counter "I wonder how many illegal guns are never going to be turned in at this sort of thing?", and he said he had lost five rifles under the new laws, and regarding illegal guns in the hands of criminals "We don't like to think about that...". |
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01-08-2012, 12:21 PM | #50 | |||
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The problem has always been that the primary protagonists in the anti gun movement are only interested in banning all guns with a single minded zealotry that makes Osama bin laden look like a moderate. They use hollywood examples to convince the average person that a semi auto handgun can explode a car and a semi auto rifle can kill 100 people in 10 different directions in a single 5000 round burst. It was on TV it must be real. The whole "semi auto" thing is just the leading edge of a divide and conquour campaign in that they are the "killer guns" and ordinary 10 shot bold actions rifles are not. It suspect that millions of victims in wars up to the current era would probably disagree if they were still alive in that these were the rifiles used by allied troop in the 2 world wars, by much of the Vietcong and still used in much of Africa in internal skirmishes. The TV spin that every kid has a shiny new AK47 is just that, spin. Gun laws have never worked anywhere in the world and even our poster child Martin Bryant acquired his rifle illegally as he did not have a gun license and bought and ex Victorian police rifle on the black market. (This is not opinion, it is fact, I was offered the same rifles but they were a bit too expensive for me). N.B. I held a dealers license at the time. But back to the question. Gun laws should be made in the same way as other laws with consideration to all not just a few rabid zealots that may or may not be politicians. I owned an AR15 (actually several) from 1981 to 1996. I used it in competition in Australia and overseas. In 1993 I shot in USA and while I did not get a medal (I came 15th) I gained a lot of very valuable experience and was getting ready for 1997 when I was told I could not compete any more and my $10,000 competition rifle must be destroyed. Just down the road from me are a mother and daughter who have both won the world IPSC pistol championship in addition to Australasian and Asiapac many times. They have to practice with restricted pistols and only when they leave Australia can they acquire the appropriate equipment. (think race cars must be speed limited to 100km/h while being driven in Australia but ok once they are overseas). Hunting is another focus for the gun haters. Once recreational hunting of feral animals was a common passtime. I helped keep the feral animal plague under control. Now we have a HUGE problem with potential extinctions of native wildlife from cats, dogs and pigs etc. Applying gun law mentality to other situations. Ban boxing as there are too many pub assaults. Ban motor racing to stop hoons. Ban competitive swimming and fishing to stop drowning. And it goes on. What is the catch cry...."If it saves just one life"...... |
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01-08-2012, 07:46 PM | #51 | ||
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While in a perfect world both sides of the argument work in reality they are both just ******** bein said by whichever side of the argument your on do I want guns in the hands of criminals no do I wanna restrict people rights to have fun no but you can have both and shootings like at the batman just reinforce how many people you can kill with the right tools my thoughts are personaly nobody should have guns we should go back to swords and have duels at dawn and settle things like men but when you've got criminal boys in men's body's running around being **** tards I'm afraid the anti gun lobby will eventually win
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01-08-2012, 08:19 PM | #52 | ||
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Just tagging along on the end of this, but this fear of an "arsenal" is an interesting point. Its an emotive word for sure, like reference to "high powered"......begs the question what defines "high powered", but sounds good though, right?
Back to the "arsenal". What's the definition here? 2 firearms? 3? Maybe 4? Do they have to be of the same type or calibre? If I have a shotgun, bolt action .22, a lever action scrub gun, a .223 target rifle, and say a medium game rifle, that's 5 firearms. All for different uses mind you. Is this an arsenal though? Also, whilst I can't speak for the skills of others here, last time I hunted I was pretty much occupied using one firearm at once. A shotgun or rifle is a two handed effort to hold, aim, fire and then to reload. I can stand around a pile of 50 guns if I want, but its irrelevant, as I can only use one at a time. Unless I am raising my own militia unit, for the life of me I can't really see the point in whether a person owns one firearm or ten, but then it sells more papers if laws are passed to prohibit "people from owning a vast arsenal of high powered weapons" as opposed to "owning several firearms of various uses." |
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Victoria currently relies heavily on shooting deer as a control method (as well as attempted containment) by recreational and commercial shooters. Our ever-expanding deer population suggests however that approach is not working effectively for a variety of reasons and a better management strategy is needed. I might also mention that Australia had a Quote:
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01-08-2012, 11:50 PM | #54 | |||
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As a licensed firearm owner you might call be bias, but who else will defend our sport, and the good guys doing the right thing.. Legal system to obtain addresses? Online Crash Reporting System in WA will spit out rego details, owner names, address, phone number, car make, model and colour... how do I know this? When I got hit by a car whilst cycling, I reported the crash using this tool and verified the drivers details by inputting his car rego. Had that been me, he would of known the address of my firearms IF he knew I was a shooter.. In regards to gun crime decreasing, it was decreasing before 1996 too. Look at the trend line and you will see a lovely decreasing trend with 2 spikes on the radar for the tragedies in 96 and 02. I've know people with a lot more than 30 firearms. But tell me, how many can you use at the same time? I've only got 2 hands.. And I don't know a range in the country that will let me load up both my pistols and shoot them one in each hand tomb raider style at the same time... IF anyone is going to do anything naughty here in AUS with a firearm, they wouldn't have taken the months (even years) to 'amass' their arsenal legally... They'll find a few shady characters and have what they need within a couple of hours, at a price of course... Just like drugs, just like tasers, just like black market car parts... Etc etc.
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Whilst not a gun owner. I would like to ask a few questions.
What was the violent home invasion crime rate like before Howard's gun control measures and what is it now? What was the crime rate for drive by shootings before Howard's gun control measures and what is it now? What was the amount of illegal firearm related injurys before Howard's gun control measures and what is it now? I don't know these answers but I am curious to know.
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02-08-2012, 12:28 AM | #56 | |||
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I did some of this work for Peter Jackson ( lord of the rings director ) a while back making ww1 biplanes in model kit form. Back then this stuff was the domain of the rich !! the best unit around for home use atm is probably the makerbot printer http://www.makerbot.com/ Did a tour of the high school my daughter is enrolled in and they are actually teaching/using these as apart of their technical studies now...pretty cool I rekon.
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I can't claim, and have never claimed to know whether our laws are too harsh, too soft or just right... but I don't think that background checks, a licensing scheme, storage requirements, and harsher restrictions on *some* firearms is particularly unreasonable. Maybe some people don't have a problem with people owning AR-15's, but I would prefer them not to be so easy to access that they would end up in the hands of a low-level garden variety thief, or someone who is deranged. Quite simply, it's not you guys I'm worried about. I am curious about the Online Crash Reporting System in WA that you referred to... (I assume this site: https://www.crashreport.com.au/) What was the deal with that? It does say this... Quote:
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...watch the nightly news...bikie gangs in particular on the Gold Coast seem to have little problem sourcing whatever firearms they want, up to full autos which have always been illegal for the public to own... |
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Not having a go at ya mate, but that doesn't make sence. It would be like banning all V8s because people with unrego'd ones keep doing burnouts. Or making all alcohol illegal because of underage drinking.
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It seems now that only the cops and crims have guns. Here's another question, What is the stabbing rate now vs pre gun control?
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