Covid 19 -

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They should not have let her ignore their instructions and just drive off laughing though. How about actually doing their jobs and enforcing the rules in place?

Apparently she was visited by the popo later and fined.
Bet we don’t see that video on social media.


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[five 7]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

500 cases active in aged care facilities - good job team the most vulnerable part of our society. Less worrying about some smart *** woman in a silly hat and more worrying about the community this will decimate.

Sorry to hear that most of our deaths were in rest homes so it wont be looking good in a few weeks.

[gooseneck]

Originally Posted by smoo

Not a chance with this socialist. But we will up the refugee quota no dramas.
Stand by for a brain/skills drain to Oz once the borders open up and this thing is re elected.

https://www.insider.com/new-zealand-...er-rich-2020-4

It was actually very smart to denounce that, could you imagine just how much power and influence 2,000 millionaires would have on politics in NZ?

Almost like inviting 2,000 Alex Jones'ez to come and play havoc with your countrys political system.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

500 cases active in aged care facilities - good job team the most vulnerable part of our society. Less worrying about some smart *** woman in a silly hat and more worrying about the community this will decimate.

I mentioned this issue the other day. We get home care visits from five different care workers. It’s not an unusual situation nationally. Why they can’t put them on a salary and assign each client just one or two workers is beyond me. Surely that would contain risk significantly.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

It was actually very smart to denounce that, could you imagine just how much power and influence 2,000 millionaires would have on politics in NZ?

Almost like inviting 2,000 Alex Jones'ez to come and play havoc with your countrys political system.

You don't need a visa to influence politics. Just run a media company.

Alex Jones wouldn't have made the proposed NZ cut off, but he could have made the AU cut off $50m is a rather large threshold!

So $$$ isn't driving NZ voters?....hmmm....what's the rule for migrating there? Just asking for a friend.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

It was actually very smart to denounce that, could you imagine just how much power and influence 2,000 millionaires would have on politics in NZ?

Almost like inviting 2,000 Alex Jones'ez to come and play havoc with your countrys political system.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

It was actually very smart to denounce that, could you imagine just how much power and influence 2,000 millionaires would have on politics in NZ?

Almost like inviting 2,000 Alex Jones'ez to come and play havoc with your countrys political system.

Policy of envy?

Jacinda does not want any independently wealthy people.
They can’t be manipulated and golly gosh they might speak their minds.
2,000 scary people, and the “Woke” hit the panic button. Best not invite them in. But 1,500 refugees p.a. they’re fine.

[five 7]

Slightly off topic but some ones having fun with election hoardings near me.[/url]

[Franco Cozzo]

What's the consensus of New Zealanders on Mrs Ardern? Everyone here froths over her and she's the Twitter lovechild who can do no wrong.

Saint Jacinda of the woke

I try scope out NZ customers when they call work as well

[Ross 1]

Originally Posted by cheap

Policy of envy?

Jacinda does not want any independently wealthy people.
They can’t be manipulated and golly gosh they might speak their minds.
2,000 scary people, and the “Woke” hit the panic button. Best not invite them in. But 1,500 refugees p.a. they’re fine.

NZ businesses are finally under the 50% foreign owned mark, why invite more in to the country to take the profits overseas? There is already plenty of wealthy foreigners here and they take all their profits to what ever country is the best tax haven or they buy large blocks of land to hoard.
1500 refugees is a drop in the ocean we get 10x that from South Africa every year and more than double that from Oz.

[T3rminator]

Mask comparisons. Warning, have your breakfast first.

https://youtu.be/UNCNM7AZPFg

Ps. If you sneeze at me without a mask you are now going to get lunch in the face.

[russellw]

353 new cases for Australia and 6 deaths sees the CMR rises to 1.040% and active cases rise to 4,786. NSW recorded 15 and the balance were in Victoria. We're heading for another big total as the daily report from Victoria has just been announced as 459 cases and 10 deaths.

0 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.414% and active cases remain at 21.

The UK recorded 767 new cases and 61 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.313%.

Just under 78k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,141 deaths sees CMR down to 3.495% and active cases at 48.8% with the raw numbers still rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases passed 16M, the last 1M also taking just 4 days;
Global cases set a new high for daily cases with 288,997;
The USA completes 53M tests;
The USA passes 5M cases
Africa sets a new high for daily cases with 22,125;
North America sets a new high for daily cases with 92,552;

South Korea (113), El Salvador (429), Venezuela (666), Morocco (811), Costa Rica (931) and the Dominican Republic (1,819) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[russellw]

The real growth in the Victorian case numbers can be seen by looking at the rolling 7 day total.

The first week in July (W/E 4th) had 514 cases
The second week had 1,195 for a 133% increase;
The third week had 1,920 cases for a further 61% increase; and
This last week had 2,556 cases, a 33% increase on the previous week.

On the plus side, the rate of increase seems to be slowing but even if it halves again to 16% that will add almost 3k new cases in the week ahead. Likewise, the number of weekly deaths has climbed from none in Week 1 to 27 this past week and with almost 6,000 new cases in this month, there will be more added to that total.

I think Australia is probably fairly close to what the real CMR is when enough testing is done to identify the majority of cases. I'm not saying we've identified them all (we've only tested 21% of the adult population) but looking at the countries which have tested the largest percentage of their populations (Luxembourg, UAE, Bahrain), the average CMR is 0.9% and it's being dragged down by the 1.8% of Luxembourg.

I'm starting to form the view that cases / deaths per 100k of population isn't a great measure simply because: (1) the response to the pandemic differs from country to country; (2) there seems little doubt that colder climate countries tend to suffer worse and (3) there are likely differences in the availability and capability of the health care systems.

To elaborate:

Those 3 countries have all tested ~50% of their population (63% for Luxembourg) but the case numbers per 100k of population range from 592 in the UAE up to almost 2,300 for Bahrain - by way of comparison we are about 55/100k.

Likewise, the deaths per 100k of population range from 3.4 in the UAE up to 17.9 in Luxembourg but it's only 0.6/100k here in Australia and Bahrain, despite having a lot more cases per 100k is only 8.

This leaves two possible conclusions.

1. We have 10 unidentified cases for every identified case and that would put us on par with the UAE at about 550/100k which would also reduce our CMR from the current 1% to 0.1% (the UAE is about 0.5%).

2. We have done a reasonably good job of limiting the spread of the virus and the real case numbers are about twice those identified thus far which results in a CMR of about 0.5%.

Of course, both those might well be wrong. Globally, the CMR is presently a fraction over 4% but I am of the view that it is really somewhere between 0.5-1.0% which means that the number of identified cases is probably underestimated by somewhere between 6:1 and 9:1 with some countries doing almost no testing and a lot still having tested less than 10% of their population. In raw numbers that means cases have been under-reported by anything between 80M and 120M!

[T3rminator]

Russell, you are a good numbers guy. Based on what you are seeing, in your opinion, is it being "controlled"?

Vic government have said they are still concerned with the numbers, but at least it is not in the thousands and growing exponentially. Not sure what to make of that.

The trend analysis I shared earlier mentioned peak period predicted between 22nd and 26th. Today is the 26th. Next week's numbers will be critical?

[Franco Cozzo]

Hows our Mexicans going with the masks? I find I end up fiddling with mine heaps and it comes on/off a fair bit during the day. I've gone to one of those motorcyclist type face coverings as its easier to breathe through. Though its harder to talk through than the normal face mask but the normal one is uncomfortable AF on your ears, it has hair ties and it cuts up behind your ears.

The only thing the mask is doing is protecting me from is Victoria Police

I'm suspect on the push for masks, I doubt some ****ing hippy who is making masks from **** bought from Spotlight on her sewing machine is going to do anything about reducing numbers.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Russell, you are a good numbers guy. Based on what you are seeing, in your opinion, is it being "controlled"?

Vic government have said they are still concerned with the numbers, but at least it is not in the thousands and growing exponentially. Not sure what to make of that.

The trend analysis I shared earlier mentioned peak period predicted between 22nd and 26th. Today is the 26th. Next week's numbers will be critical?

I don't think it is being 'controlled' per se except perhaps in those countries that don't much like being transparent (Russia and China spring to mind).

I think a large number of countries simply don't have the infrastructure or funding to perform large scale testing - for example, the total population of all the countries that have tested less than 1% is 2.3B people and 6.8B for those where less than 10% have been tested so that leaves an awful lot of scope for under-reported cases.

For some, we will never get the full picture.

I can't see Africa ever getting close to full testing. Indeed, only 1 of the 37 countries that make up the continent has tested more than 10% and only 14 have tested more than 1%.

Likewise, only 2 of the 14 South American countries are over 10% testing; 12 of the 49 Asian countries; 6 of the 49 North American countries and even in Europe it's only 19 of the 48.

Thus we'll be left guessing what the real fatality rate from infections is simply because we'll never be able to define the actual number of infections - although we might eventually get some localised data that is accurate enough albeit based on very small numbers.

[Ross 1]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What's the consensus of New Zealanders on Mrs Ardern? Everyone here froths over her and she's the Twitter lovechild who can do no wrong.

Saint Jacinda of the woke

I try scope out NZ customers when they call work as well

I'll admit to being a fan of her handling of the Covid situation, will be interesting to see how they get the economy back on track. She is straight forward, says what she thinks and means it.
The National party are a bit unstable at the moment and their newly elected leader isn't the nicest of people. They do normally do better for our economy but I think they will self destruct if they are elected in a couple of months, but would be a good bet in the following election.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Hows our Mexicans going with the masks? I find I end up fiddling with mine heaps and it comes on/off a fair bit during the day. I've gone to one of those motorcyclist type face coverings as its easier to breathe through. Though its harder to talk through than the normal face mask but the normal one is uncomfortable AF on your ears, it has hair ties and it cuts up behind your ears.

The only thing the mask is doing is protecting me from is Victoria Police

I'm suspect on the push for masks, I doubt some ****ing hippy who is making masks from **** bought from Spotlight on her sewing machine is going to do anything about reducing numbers.

We've been wearing them when out since March so we've got used to them. We now each have two pairs of 3-layer washable cloth masks and have been using N95's foe the (rare) shopping trips and other travel.

While they are not a panacea, if they slow down the rate of infection then it's a step in the right direction.

[.:4:.]

Am i the only person who doesnt mind social distancing as its a proper excuse to not have to deal with people? Also doing the polite thing and stepping to the side to let someone pass, these days they actually say thanks. Plus in line to say pay for things, people give a little personal space. Its great. In line, standing way too close doesnt make the line move faster. I like the way that whilst the situation isnt one with any positives, but from a social standpoint, its bought back to a degree some form of etiquette.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Ross 1

I'll admit to being a fan of her handling of the Covid situation, will be interesting to see how they get the economy back on track. She is straight forward, says what she thinks and means it.
The National party are a bit unstable at the moment and their newly elected leader isn't the nicest of people. They do normally do better for our economy but I think they will self destruct if they are elected in a couple of months, but would be a good bet in the following election.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...collins-fix-it

Oh my

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Am i the only person who doesnt mind social distancing as its a proper excuse to not have to deal with people? Also doing the polite thing and stepping to the side to let someone pass, these days they actually say thanks. Plus in line to say pay for things, people give a little personal space. Its great. In line, standing way too close doesnt make the line move faster. I like the way that whilst the situation isnt one with any positives, but from a social standpoint, its bought back to a degree some form of etiquette.

+1. Pre covid there was a lot less etiquette, politeness and general manners with queues, and some the time I felt like punching people in the face because of their rudeness. Now with social distancing in place, people are a lot more aware of others, showing a little more courtesy and gratitude and allowing people more personal space.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by blueoval

+1. Pre covid there was a lot less etiquette, politeness and general manners with queues, and some the time I felt like punching people in the face because of their rudeness. Now with social distancing in place, people are a lot more aware of others, showing a little more courtesy and gratitude and allowing people more personal space.

We are creatures of habit. Prior to spending time in London, I hated crowds and people getting into my personal space. When I came home from living in London, I felt uncomfortable not being in crowded place....almost a feeling of vulnerability. Very hard to explain.

I think post Covid, it will take a while for people to feel comfortable in crowds again. I imagine there will be a period of time where people will be less tolerant of others moving into their personal space. But eventually we'll all go back to the way we were. Honestly, if the AFL grand final was to be played at the MCG this year, and we had no restriction, I don't think we would get capacity.

[Tickford.]

Another legal firm offering assistance to those refusing to wear masks.

[Franco Cozzo]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...26-p55fhw.html

Got me runnin' shoes ready for the 850km rona relay

By 'runnin' shoes' I mean wheels
By 'rona relay' I mean M80 Ring Road

Mask clashes update:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...26-p55fmi.html

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Am i the only person who doesnt mind social distancing as its a proper excuse to not have to deal with people? Also doing the polite thing and stepping to the side to let someone pass, these days they actually say thanks. Plus in line to say pay for things, people give a little personal space. Its great. In line, standing way too close doesnt make the line move faster. I like the way that whilst the situation isnt one with any positives, but from a social standpoint, its bought back to a degree some form of etiquette.

Ha! I was perfectly competent at social distancing before it became a thing. People can be hard work!

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Ross 1

I'll admit to being a fan of her handling of the Covid situation, will be interesting to see how they get the economy back on track. She is straight forward, says what she thinks and means it.
The National party are a bit unstable at the moment and their newly elected leader isn't the nicest of people. They do normally do better for our economy but I think they will self destruct if they are elected in a couple of months, but would be a good bet in the following election.

Agree i think if a right wing party(national) was in power there would have been too much pressure to open businesses up , Jacinda has always been about protecting the people and stuck to it , shes pretty experienced at cleaning up disasters ....mosque shootings ,white island , now covid whether they can get the economy back up ...time will tell

Its really interesting listening to the media and talk back you get presenter after presenter talking up the right, Judith Collins is going to be the great masiah yet shes got such a history of dirty politics even amongst her own party, its suprising the NZ public can see through it all and Labours at 60% in the latest poll .......still a bit to go before the election , the rate that theyre resigning at or being sacked there may not be any left to vote for

[Citroënbender]

Academic with counter-flow opinion:

https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/...e-40f8f5c3cd8b

[russellw]

455 new cases for Australia and 10 deaths sees the CMR rises to 1.076% and active cases rise to 5,229. NSW recorded 14, WA recorded 2 and the balance were in Victoria.

0 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.414% and active cases remain at 21.

The UK recorded 745 new cases and 14 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.280%.

Just over 67k new cases in the USA yesterday and 908 deaths sees CMR down to 3.462% and active cases at 48.8% with the raw numbers still rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global deaths pass 650k with the last 50k only taking 8 days;
India completes 16M and Saudi Arabia 3M tests;

Kenya (960), Dominican Republic (2,012), Iraq (2,862) and India (50,525) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Academic with counter-flow opinion:

https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/...e-40f8f5c3cd8b

60 minutes! Do people still watch that?

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

60 minutes! Do people still watch that?

Lost credibility after Laurie Oakes left.

Curious, why is it that state and federal address to the media always clashes? Can't they co-ordinate it a bit better? WA premier making an announcement at 10:30. Scomo also coming out at 10:30. Andrews at 11. grrrr