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Im surprised this saga hasn't made the pages here.
I know we have a number of members who work on Commercial airlines amongst us. It really is a mystery when you look at all the information filtering through. Something doesn't seem right to me. Firstly, the transponder just went dead, this would normally suggest that it was a sudden event which took the plane out before anyone/thing could report a problem. The system on board these planes will automatically log any issues directly with the maintenance crew, nothing has been reported. That would suggest an airframe failure or explosive device, but then at 35000ft there should have been plenty of evidence of the wreckage over a large area. This is yet to be discovered in an area of relatively shallow waters and calm conditions. Another theory is that a slow decompression occurred causing the crew and passengers to pass out. If the plane was on autopilot to hold its airspeed, altitude and direction then it could have flown on until it ran out of fuel, but this wouldn't explain the sudden loss of contact after 1-2 hrs as it had fuel for a 7hr trip and the sudden free fall would have been noted. Then there are the phone calls to passengers which have rung out, that would suggest that the plane is on land either crashed or landed. Now Malaysian authorities have claimed it was tracked flying low in the opposite direction and across the Malacca Straight. The top NTSB investigators are baffled, the whole scenario surrounding the event suggests it is more than just a tragic accident on what is the worlds safest aircraft. What do you guys think. |
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You would think they could use GPS on the phones to help tracked them down. I was thinking terrorist, but no demands have been made after four days. Do you believe in UFOs?
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Latest news this morning suggests the pilots were not always doing what they were meant to.
When this first happened my initial thoughts were how the **** do you just lose something of that size? Then terrorism was the next thought.
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It was allegedly caught on military radar flying low, really low, at 500m. Surely that would have looked sus to anyone monitoring it?
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Hope they find it and get the recorders.
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Malaysian military radar reckons it was tracked as far west as the Strait of Malacca. Well, according to press reports this morning anyway.
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Yeah its a strange one. Turned off course and flew low in another direction sounds like a highjacking that never made it to its intended target,or has it?. Or some rogue pilot/s that went nuts. Has happened before. But those phones ringing out, sounds spooky.
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Also the findings that 2 of the passengers had fake passports that boarded the plane has me
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All very odd. Has to be someone who knows what they are doing to turn off transponders.
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Im a regular watcher of Air Crash Investigators and with all the little coincidences going on it doesn't fit into your stereotypical air disaster, if such thing exists.
The sudden disappearance, the reported change of direction prior, the recent military intelligence of low level off course flight path, the mobile phone calls, the passports and no of/identity of the travellers in question. The reports that 20 passengers on board work for a company that makes a 'cloaking' device. Over the years I have watched the hijackings in the middle east in the70's/ 80's, the inflight bombings, the mechanical and pilot error/action disasters and it just doesn't fit any mould. The only thing it comes close to is 9/11 type scenarios where the plane may be used as a weapon, but when and where and what would be the agenda behind it. If unfound it will become one of the greatest mysteries known to mankind considering the technology available today. I guess the first question is, with the available fuel on board and the data collected by the Malaysian defence force, how far could it fly before it ran out of fuel/landed, if it has been hijacked. What countries would harbor this type of criminal activity. |
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Too many questions and not enough answers, or far too many cover ups.
I read somewhere that black boxes still emit a signal days after the plane is gone/blown up/etc. Is that true?
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It is quite likely that it could be just a freak set of circumstances which have unfolded and the plane may be found. I believe it took a few months to find the Air france black boxes, but they knew where to look for them. The fact that this plane appears to have travelled well off its original flight path doesn't help the narrowing down of a search area. Either way, it is a terrible situation and I offer my condolences and thoughts to the passengers, crew and their families. Whilst a good mystery is always intriguing and incites speculative conversation, lets not lose sight of the human element and associated grief experienced by those involved. |
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The military radar which followed the aircraft after that would be secondary radar which is the original form of radar showing a blip only, ie no digital info. The "black boxes" are actually orange for better visibility for searchers. |
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And now all the conspiracy theorist nutjobs are coming out of the woodwork, concocting stupid theories about "military weapons testing". Please. Don't these people have something more constructive to do?
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Its very hard to believe that with all the Tech in modern planes and the amount of monitoring air traffic has that nobody knows where this is, i hope this story doesn't get buried and forgotten by the media until it is resolved.
If that Phones are ringing, surely they can use some form a tracking as a last resort? |
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I was tempted in starting a similar thread....
Been online searching for updates every time I'm free.... So many questions, and then the answers pose more questions.... News is released then retracted / corrected. We are certainly NOT getting the full story. IMO. MA have been exposed as incompetant and there are rumours that they may not be allowed to Europe when this whole thing is finished. 2 stolen passports, then 4, then really 2. They looked Asian, then they didn't. It was trached for 2 hours, then 1. There was no communication, then there was. How can something so big, worth so many tens of millions of dollars just, for lack of a better word vanish????? Now the lates thing is that passengers phones are still ringing (perhaps via diversion??)... While I don't agree with those 2 girls going public about the cockpit shenanagins that went on a few years ago (out of respect for their families) it raises SERIOUS questions about the way MA conducts itself as a carrier of passengers. Not checking the list of stolen passports for passengers?? In this day and age of instant access to information and computerised EVERYTHING!!!! Shocking.....
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Would love to know how something so big can just vanish into thin air.
Something doesnt add up. For the sake of the families chasing answers I hope they find it fast. But it seems like everyone is just as confused as each other.
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What's this about 20 people on board working for a company who were working on a cloaking device????
Maybe they were testing it and low and behold it worked. This is interesting. Hadn't heard that bit.
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No, not unless they have a VERY fancy method of travel. The nearest star to us (apart from the sun) is alpha centauri (aka proxima centauri), it is 4.2 light years away. At solar gravitational escape rocket velocity of 58741kph it would take 77540 years to get there and possibly any planets that happen to be there with dudes who could bring UFOs here.
So Han Solo (Harrison Ford [good name]) (Star Wars) was full of the proverbial when he was boasting his millennium falcon (also good name) could make 0.5 past light speed....it would take him 2.8 years just to get to the nearest star!!! The movie was over in about 2 hours. Am still waiting. So, to answer your question......NO.......unless they have an interesting form of travel in order to get here and mess with airplanes. |
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i hadn't heard this either. Anyone with any further info?
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That's false... The story was that it traveled about 500km at just over 10,000m altitude after the transponder stopped. The military has denied that story. |
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re Phones. Firstly, there are no mobile phone towers in the ocean. So it dosnt matter if it survived the crash / impact / whatever.
Secondly, the ring you hear when you call someone dosnt come from the other phone. Its comes from the phone network, to let you know something is happening. Its not an indication the other phone is receiving or responding. Thirdly........your asked to turn your phone off when you get on a plane. It now looks like the plane was many hundreds of klms off course and heading the wrong way with its transponder turned off. that's three big ticks for hijacking in my book. I'm going to take a guess and suggest the passengers overpowered the hijackers (who wouldn't after 9/11?) but the plane has then gone down with no experienced pilot on board. Crazy case all round.
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