Point-to-point cameras snap 20,000 motorists speeding on the Hume Fwy, MORE COMING!!

[EDManual]

Today the Vic Govt are going announce more point to point cameras....

Here is an article on how effective they are when Hume Hwy ones were turned back on : (notice there isnt a word about safety by the govt, its just to "slow drivers down..." and with all these people speeding no one crashed...)

Herald Sun====
ALMOST 20,000 motorists were secretly snapped speeding past the Hume Freeway point-to-point cameras in a 60-day period when they thought they were still turned off.


That number dropped by more than half for the 60-day period after motorists were warned the controversial cameras were working again.

All of the 19,280 motorists caught speeding in the two months before the cameras were officially turned on in August escaped being fined as the cameras were being tested - but the 9200 nabbed in the 60-day period since the testing finished would have to cough up.

Police Minister Peter Ryan said the Hume point-to-point figures clearly demonstrated that speed cameras slowed drivers.

Of the 9200 fines issued, 5100 were for instantaneous offences and 4100 were for point-to-point offences.

Most (6382) were doing less than 10km/h over the limit, while 80 were speeding by more than 20km/h in a 110km/h zone.

The details on the successful deterrent effect of the Hume cameras come as Mr Ryan today stands alongside road accident survivors, including Paralympian Josh Hose, to launch a new state speed camera awareness campaign.

He is doing so in response to a 2011 recommendation by the Auditor-General that the State Government should promote the positive contribution speed cameras make to road safety.

The Hume point-to-point cameras, which measure the average speed of a vehicle over a stretch of road, were turned off in October 2010 after a hi-tech fault resulted in nine motorists being wrongly fined.

Mr Ryan said the software problem had been fixed and cameras had been fitted with a secondary measuring device to ensure accuracy.

The Hume cameras can now also instantaneously detect speeding as motorists pass them as well as nabbing those who speed over a distance between the cameras.

Motorists can be nabbed by instantaneous cameras at Epping, Craigieburn, Beveridge, Wallan and Broadford.

Mr Ryan yesterday said point-to-point cameras were very effective at deterring motorists from speeding over long distances.

"They discourage drivers from only slowing down to avoid detection at specific fixed camera locations," he explained.

[Trevor 57]

Good, book more of them.

[usernametaken]

Next step is to have P2P cameras dotted along all entry points to highways across the State. You are snapped as you enter and then at each point along your route until you exit. From there you will be issued fines where your journey has taken less than pre-programmed acceptable time. Potentially gaining numerous fines for one journey.

I give it 10 years before this is a reality

[MercurySilver]

man im glad i live in the country

what a crock of ***** that is

[mcnews]

Revenue, pure and simple. Appeasing the nanny state wowsers that seem to be the norm in modern Australian society. When they don't get enough revenue from this they will drop the limit to 100 on the Hume for the length. So many roads in VIC have been dropped from 100 to 80 in the past few weeks in VIC.....

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

man im glad i live in the country

what a crock of ***** that is

They start at Broadford my friend, that is in the Country

I would love to know the percentage of NSW drivers who get pinged, they always slow down for the camera's, then speed up again, they don't about the point to point

[EDManual]

yep, I'd say the NSW drivers are the main culprits. There no signs to warn them.

Highway robbery, nothing else.

I actually drove past there on Wednesday in the rain, a vt and vy commodore had slipped off the highway in seperate single car incidents inside the point to point camera area! Maybe they were not speeding but had another issue like bald tyres in the wet and unskilled young drivers!

[Silver Ghia]

It doesn't matter how everyone behaves on the roads, as long as you don't go faster than the speed limit. The arbitrary number which safety is solely based upon, rain, hail or shine.

So to avoid fines, the FG cruise control is a brilliant system, coupled with the accurate digital speedo.

[Raptor]

With that many speeding it's pretty clear that most people consider the speed limit on the Hume is TOO LOW!

It would be better to use those stats to allow the limit to be revised upwards.

Pure money grab!

[Kevxr8Leexr6]

Originally Posted by EDManual

yep, I'd say the NSW drivers are the main culprits. There no signs to warn them.

Highway robbery, nothing else.

I actually drove past there on Wednesday in the rain, a vt and vy commodore had slipped off the highway in seperate single car incidents inside the point to point camera area! Maybe they were not speeding but had another issue like bald tyres in the wet and unskilled young drivers!

Yep do have them in nsw . bathurst to lithgow , bathurst to blayney being done now. and a heap more of them goin in further outwest

[PridenJoy]

So what stopping someone from giving their car a squirt up to say 140km/h between the cameras then stopping for a few seconds to make sure the time elapsed is the same as if he was consistently doing 110km/h? Would that work?

[MAD]

Just another way to make the Hume even more boring.
It's boring enough at 120km/h, 130km/h makes it a little more bearable.

I guess you just have to pull over and have a coffee in each section, then blaze it and still be over the time frame.

[SteveJH]

Pacific Highway has Point to Point camera's from south of Taree all the way up to Urunga now.

And then from about Ballina(?) north to the border.

[MAD]

I reckon these could even make you talk yourself to sleep.
"God I hate these cameras, making me stick to 110", "110 feels so slow, this trip is going to take forever."

[MercurySilver]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

They start at Broadford my friend, that is in the Country

I would love to know the percentage of NSW drivers who get pinged, they always slow down for the camera's, then speed up again, they don't about the point to point

fair enough
but thats no where near the 'country' i live so all good

and yup have to agree
the fg's cruise gets used all the time here

[Brute 33]

In NSW P2P is only for vehicles 4.5 tonne and over ATM .....but that will all change soon enough....KA-CHING....

[superfly]

Originally Posted by PridenJoy

So what stopping someone from giving their car a squirt up to say 140km/h between the cameras then stopping for a few seconds to make sure the time elapsed is the same as if he was consistently doing 110km/h? Would that work?

Yes I would say so as it works on time.

I wonder what the lowest speed fine would be. Would they send out a fine for doing 111 in at 110 zone? In other words, what's the margin for error?

[STINKY NINJA]

Dont speed...

[xisled]

Originally Posted by Raptor

With that many speeding it's pretty clear that most people consider the speed limit on the Hume is TOO LOW!

It would be better to use those stats to allow the limit to be revised upwards.

Pure money grab!

I drive on the Hume 2 or 3 times a week up and back. Putting limit up would be scary. The road conditions are really bad, Big pot holes, uneven surfaces. You would be asking for more trouble if you increased the limit without fixing the road first.

[XBROO]

Yeah there some on the way to the sunshine coast. You can do 200+ then just pull up and wait till a car passes you, that you already took notice of before you do that speed. Yeah they really work.

[EDManual]

Originally Posted by xisled

I drive on the Hume 2 or 3 times a week up and back. Putting limit up would be scary. The road conditions are really bad, Big pot holes, uneven surfaces. You would be asking for more trouble if you increased the limit without fixing the road first.

er! Watch where you are driving! The road is fine, drive to the conditions. If theres a pothole (I drive it lots and there are pretty much no potholes) drive around it? If you cant do that, maybe you have your cruise control on, are on your handsfree and are zoned out. Get off the road.
Anyway, speedlimits up?! Thats not going to happen...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by xisled

I drive on the Hume 2 or 3 times a week up and back. Putting limit up would be scary. The road conditions are really bad, Big pot holes, uneven surfaces. You would be asking for more trouble if you increased the limit without fixing the road first.

Yet thousands and thousands of vehicles are travelling the road at above the speed limit on a daily basis without carnage.

Don't you just hate it when reality refuses to back up your theory.......

[Mr Scheme]

I remember Jeremy Clarkson talking about average speed cameras in the UK and saying just pull over and read the newspaper for a few minutes and set off again!

Its sad that the government has focused on speed as the primary cause and factor in accidents on the road. Because speed is always a secondary factor.

You can say that someone was going too fast for a corner but speed is still secondary to the fact that the person has misjudged the corner, their ability or the cars ability. That really is a training and knowledge problem.

[joolz]

Originally Posted by Raptor

With that many speeding it's pretty clear that most people consider the speed limit on the Hume is TOO LOW!

It would be better to use those stats to allow the limit to be revised upwards.

Pure money grab!

If only you were in Government with a common sense approach. But you wont make money...

The Hume is the most boring stretch of road in Victoria with the Geelong Fwy close behind.

[Mr Scheme]

I would add the Bruce Hwy heading from Brisbane north to the boring roads.
They put in high crash zones and dropped the speed limit to 90km/hr.
I think I'm more likely to crash from falling asleep now!

[GTP-RPD]

Does anyone know if buckshot can be forensically traced?

[EDManual]

More $$$VIC$$$ news: (Although I agree to get tougher on drunk/drug driving)

MOTORISTS will be fined millions of dollars more as speed camera surveillance of Victoria's roads spreads.

The State Government will announce an expansion of its automated speed enforcement program in an effort to cut the road toll.

It is believed this will include more point-to-point and combined speed and red light cameras, as well as an increase in the number of hours mobile cameras will operate, including greater use of them at night.

More than 1.3 million motorists paid almost $270 million in traffic camera fines in Victoria in 2011-12.(Not including cops pulling over speeders$$$)

Under the Coalition's four-year road safety plan to be launched, the Government will:

SPEND $1 billion over the next decade to fix the state's roads.

ORDER every motorcyclist and scooter rider to wear boots when riding or face an expected $176 fine.

MAKE all drivers and riders carry their driving licence or face an expected $140 fine.

CREATE more 40km/h speed zones and scrap 90km/h and 70km/h zones, by raising or lowering those limits by 10km/h.(delete raising limits by 10kmh$$$)

INTRODUCE changes that give priority to trucks and cars on some routes and to public transport, pedestrians and cyclists on others.

The Baillieu Government is aiming to slash the road toll by 30 per cent, from 282 last year to fewer than 200, within a decade.

It also wants to reduce the number of serious injuries on our roads from the current 5500 a year to below 3850.

The boost in the use of speed cameras is among a suite of planned radical new measures in its road safety plan.

Road plan

The plan commits it to "increase our use of automated speed enforcement, including point-to-point, mobile, speed and red light camera systems".

Regional roads in particular will be improved by sealing road shoulders, installing rumble lines, wire rope barriers or guard rails, and improving intersections.

The plan also confirms the introduction of several measures that were revealed exclusively by the Herald Sun this week.

These include all drink-drivers being ordered to fit alcohol interlock devices to their cars, at their own cost; every P-plater being banned from using hands-free mobiles while driving; the automatic 30-day impounding of vehicles belonging to drink-drivers who blow .1 or over; and the creation of a new "cocktail offence", carrying a minimum $2800 fine, for motorists caught with both alcohol and drugs in their systems.

The new measures are based on the findings of last year's road safety survey, which was published in the Herald Sun.

Speeding and drink- and drug-driving motorists in particular are targets of the Baillieu Government's strategy.

Excessive speed contributes to nearly 100 road deaths and 1700 serious injuries a year. (Speed includes people NOT speeding but too fast for the conditions)

And drink-driving accounts for about 30 per cent of the road toll. The plan also focuses on cutting serious injuries on the roads.

"In the last 25 years, the road toll has been reduced by 60 per cent but the 'hidden road toll' of serious injuries has only been reduced by around 45 per cent in the same period," the plan says.

"So this action plan aims to dramatically reduce this hidden road toll. The Victorian Government will take strong action to make the road system safe.

"We will use engineering to make vehicles, roads and roadsides safer, but this is only effective if people on the roads make the right decisions to stay safe.

"We will support people through a renewed focus on education, so that people know the responsible thing to do and know the risks and potentially devastating results of unsafe behaviour.

"We'll also give people tools to make more responsible choices, for example - Intelligent Speed Assist, which will help drivers comply with speed limits."

Vehicles fitted with ISA can detect the relevant speed limit and alert the driver if it is being exceeded.

The system can even override the driver by automatically reducing the vehicle's speed.

British research shows ISA could reduce the number of injury crashes by 36 per cent and the number of fatal crashes by 59 per cent.

The State Government's strategy says: "Where people do the wrong thing and put their own and others' lives at risk, we will come down hard with stronger enforcement and tougher penalties."

[XBROO]

Great more speed cameras, cabon tax, then wage tax, then tax on everything you buy. Why don't they just tax us at 50% and be done with it.

[M&Ms]

what's the point of driving in this ******** up country any more??? Talk about going backwards. Years of Labor government = years of ignorant spending = big $$$ holes to fill. Tax the motorist is the new moto in our anti-car society.

[T4ME]

Don't like the rules then pack up and go elsewhere....or break the rules and pay the fine without playing your same old tune.