Pensioners loose out

TIKFD6 · 17-01-2005, 11:47 PM

Well The Brack Government strikes again.
We got my GF's(she is a pensioner, no not old aged) rego papers today, and with it came a small piece of paper saying thet pensioners now have to pay 50% of the Rego fee.
Where all they used to pay was the stamp duty and GST.
This go's in hand with his other stunts like Earning dependant fines and installing Ghey *** faulty speed camera's.

The justification for these increases where that pensioners where going to get more benifits in the long run.
My ***, sounds like he is revenue raising again.
the sooner they are voted out the better.

:monkes:

big_pete · 17-01-2005, 11:52 PM

thats no good at all.
what benifits could possibly warrant having to pay half the rego costs?

definately sounds like revenue raising to me...

MO · 17-01-2005, 11:54 PM

As in another thread move out...no people in Vic =noVic and a better OZ.

**Falcon Coupe** · 18-01-2005, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by John McMaster

As in another thread move out...no people in Vic =noVic and a better OZ.

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TIKFD6 · 17-01-2005, 11:56 PM

Dont worry John, ive heard romours that the same sort of thing is going to happen in most states.

XRQTOR · 18-01-2005, 12:00 AM

I she's not old how does she get a pensoin. Im guessing she's not physically or mentally disabled if shes capable of driving.

loxxr6 · 18-01-2005, 12:02 AM

Dont worry John, ive heard rumours that the same sort of thing is going to happen in most states.

Slightly off topic : Well for railway ticket pricing in NSW, Pensioner rates have changed. Whether its for the better or not I don't know.

The govt is always finding ways to screw a bit more money outta people.

XRQTOR · 18-01-2005, 12:08 AM

Maybe if they stopped ****ing away money on doll bludgers they would have money to spend on people who really need it. I think it's funny you drive through a housing commision area and nearly every unit has a foxtell dish on it's roof, & they all stand out the front smoking Clearly short of cash.

loxxr6 · 18-01-2005, 12:31 AM

Maybe if they stopped ****ing away money on doll bludgers they would have money to spend on people who really need it. I think it's funny you drive through a housing commision area and nearly every unit has a foxtell dish on it's roof, & they all stand out the front smoking Clearly short of cash.

I hear ya on that. Fair enough that the real needy get their help but there's still so many that don't deserve money getting it handed out. Damn do gooders not making it any easier to cut back on this rorting.

A mate of mine once rorted out of home allowance yet was living with his grandparents...bastard.

Still as one mate said, if it wasn't for the dole, some of them would be out robbing homes and doing worse, so funding these people hopefully cuts down on some of the ones that would otherwise resort to crime. The lesser of two evils.

NAK302 · 18-01-2005, 10:31 AM

why should people get concessions because they are on a pension? they still use the same amount of road as i do. i'd rather see my taxes used in a more positive way than giving consessions to people.

MotherNatureVer2 · 18-01-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nak351

why should people get concessions because they are on a pension? they still use the same amount of road as i do. i'd rather see my taxes used in a more positive way than giving consessions to people.

Matey ... If it wasnt for the sole parents pension I was on my children & I would have starved ...........

From your response it is fair to say you have no idea how little is given out per fortnight to live, pay rent & all other associated bills that are not classed as a luxuary .........

I can assure you that without a concession on my rego I would have been walking ..... & 20 odd k's into town & back with NO public transport lugging enough food for 3 kids wouldnt be much fun .........

NAK302 · 18-01-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MotherNature

Matey ... If it wasnt for the sole parents pension I was on my children & I would have starved ...........

From your response it is fair to say you have no idea how little is given out per fortnight to live, pay rent & all other associated bills that are not classed as a luxuary .........

I can assure you that without a concession on my rego I would have been walking ..... & 20 odd k's into town & back with NO public transport lugging enough food for 3 kids wouldnt be much fun .........

so you think it's fair that i being a tax payer (and have been for over 24 years) should subsidise your life? your right i have no idea, because when it's got tough i've done something about it, without handouts.
we've been on the bones of our a$$ a few times, but i've always found a better paying job to help with the lifestyle we prefer. whether that meant moving to a new town or city, so be it.
my point is you're in charge of your life, make changes to it if you don't like it, you shouldn't expect others to do it for you.
as you can see, i'm not a socialist. i've worked damn hard for what we have, so why should i share?

Yellow Fire · 18-01-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nak351

i've worked damn hard for what we have, so why should i share?

Because you're a nice guy?

I think concessions are fine for a limited time/amount. Most people are only a few paycheques away from doing it tough so I'm happy to pay for people to get back on their feet.

Like everything it's open to abuse.

MO · 18-01-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nak351

so you think it's fair that i being a tax payer (and have been for over 24 years) should subsidise your life? your right i have no idea, because when it's got tough i've done something about it, without handouts.
we've been on the bones of our a$$ a few times, but i've always found a better paying job to help with the lifestyle we prefer. whether that meant moving to a new town or city, so be it.
my point is you're in charge of your life, make changes to it if you don't like it, you shouldn't expect others to do it for you.
as you can see, i'm not a socialist. i've worked damn hard for what we have, so why should i share?

So would it be fair to say you won't be helping the S.A. fire victims in some way.

NAK302 · 18-01-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by John McMaster

So would it be fair to say you won't be helping the S.A. fire victims in some way.

nope. pay insurance like we do.

what's going to be the next tragedy that will take place?

XRQTOR · 18-01-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John McMaster

So would it be fair to say you won't be helping the S.A. fire victims in some way.

I know it's a ***** of a thing to have happen but in a bushy area you'd have to be stupid not to have house insurance. Would you donate money to me if a huge storm hit sydney and my car got written off and i was dumb enough not to insure it. Highly doubt it.

XA-Coupe · 18-01-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nak351

so you think it's fair that i being a tax payer (and have been for over 24 years) should subsidise your life? your right i have no idea, because when it's got tough i've done something about it, without handouts.
we've been on the bones of our a$$ a few times, but i've always found a better paying job to help with the lifestyle we prefer. whether that meant moving to a new town or city, so be it.
my point is you're in charge of your life, make changes to it if you don't like it, you shouldn't expect others to do it for you.
as you can see, i'm not a socialist. i've worked damn hard for what we have, so why should i share?

I know Lisa's history better than you and I can say that she isn't in the circumstances she is in because she wanted to be. The system is there to help people like Lisa as a safety net. She is not a bludger and does what she can. I would rather pay 1000 Lisas in her situation than one dole bludger who never wants to get a job.
I am generally against giving money for nothing but sometimes life doesn't happen as you may want it... the people in real need should be looked after.

XRQTOR · 18-01-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nak351

so you think it's fair that i being a tax payer (and have been for over 24 years) should subsidise your life? your right i have no idea, because when it's got tough i've done something about it, without handouts.
we've been on the bones of our a$$ a few times, but i've always found a better paying job to help with the lifestyle we prefer. whether that meant moving to a new town or city, so be it.
my point is you're in charge of your life, make changes to it if you don't like it, you shouldn't expect others to do it for you.
as you can see, i'm not a socialist. i've worked damn hard for what we have, so why should i share?

Well said.

rev · 18-01-2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nak351

so you think it's fair that i being a tax payer (and have been for over 24 years) should subsidise your life? your right i have no idea, because when it's got tough i've done something about it, without handouts.
we've been on the bones of our a$$ a few times, but i've always found a better paying job to help with the lifestyle we prefer. whether that meant moving to a new town or city, so be it.
my point is you're in charge of your life, make changes to it if you don't like it, you shouldn't expect others to do it for you.
as you can see, i'm not a socialist. i've worked damn hard for what we have, so why should i share?

Because you are greedy. Most people are not in charge of their life, the system is... I have worked damn hard too for almost 40 years but it isn't as easy as saying "go get a job or get off the pension". Have you no compassion or is it jusy dog eat dog in your world? Try to listen, or in your case buy, "Underwear Goes Inside The Pants" by Lazyboy.

MotherNatureVer2 · 18-01-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nak351

so you think it's fair that i being a tax payer (and have been for over 24 years) should subsidise your life? your right i have no idea, because when it's got tough i've done something about it, without handouts.
we've been on the bones of our a$$ a few times, but i've always found a better paying job to help with the lifestyle we prefer. whether that meant moving to a new town or city, so be it.
my point is you're in charge of your life, make changes to it if you don't like it, you shouldn't expect others to do it for you.
as you can see, i'm not a socialist. i've worked damn hard for what we have, so why should i share?

I thank the guys who have jumped to my defence but as you guys know I will not rest on my laurels .......... I will respond to an uneducated fool

nak351 ....... I too have worked all my life ... well since I was 13 ........ I have paid all my taxes & have done everything to keep my children in one piece after a very nasty split from my ex, whom by the way, I will let you know left me bankrupt .......... I cannot live a normal existance wherever I want to ...... My children & I live in fear every day of their father finding us ......

I am NOT rorting the system & am trying to claw my way back into earning a real wage so we can survive without the handouts as you call them from the government.

To have people like yourself, how have obviously NO idea of what it is like to not know what you are going to feed your children because you have had utilities to pay & then tell me to go get a job I say .....Dont cast the first stone .... matey your glass house will break ........

My children are all of the one father( a term I loosly use) and I am no dole bludger .............. I have come in 3yrs from us having two changes of clothes each to living an almost at poverty line existance ............. Yes we have a computer & yes we have a TV ........ I drive a EB wagon ......... I can tell you living like this is not how I want to live nor how I will live forever ........

I really would love for you to visit a refuge for women who have to escape their violent partners & only then may you learn of what life is really about ...........

XRchic · 18-01-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nak351

so you think it's fair that i being a tax payer (and have been for over 24 years) should subsidise your life? your right i have no idea, because when it's got tough i've done something about it, without handouts.
we've been on the bones of our a$$ a few times, but i've always found a better paying job to help with the lifestyle we prefer. whether that meant moving to a new town or city, so be it.
my point is you're in charge of your life, make changes to it if you don't like it, you shouldn't expect others to do it for you.
as you can see, i'm not a socialist. i've worked damn hard for what we have, so why should i share?

OK then. Hows this for an idea?

My ex walked out on me and my two kids 7 years ago. My son is now 7 and a half and my daughter is nearly 11. When he left I was studying full time. My choice was to continue studying on the Pension, or to give up my studies and take a job that was never going to pay all that well... I decided on the former... and for a year I lived on the Pension with my kids... and for the last two years, when things were more settled and my son was older, I got full time work while I was studying, when I had gotten my head around things...

Now I can tell you for a fact, that without the safety net of the Pension, I would have thrown my studies away because there was no way in Hell I was in any kind of state to work enough to support me, a newborn and a 4 year old at the time... I just couldnt have done it. But having that safety net enabled me to get through that year, continue with my studies, finish my law degree and get a job.

Now, 7 years later, I have a job that pays more than I ever would have if I could not have continued studying, and I wouldnt have had that if it were not for the welfare safety net. And so now I am paying massive amounts of tax BACK into the system, Im in the top tax bracket.

If the Pension had not been an option, I wouldnt be paying top bracket tax to the government... So Id like to say THANK YOU to all the taxpayers who paid for my Pension when I needed it, and Id also like to point out that Ive repaid it many times over, and will in the years to come... hows that for a return for the taxpayers dollar?????

So before you bag people on welfare, how about you think about how it helps people get jobs (and pay tax) and get better jobs (and pay more tax) and that has got to be good for the community! Not everyone has circumstances go their way in life, and sometimes we need the safety net...Im not saying everyone deserves it and that there are no bludgers... but I am just saying that not everyone has a choice, and that part of being in a SOCIETY means that the stonger help the less fortunate when they need it... its what makes us different to animals.... helping others help themselves....

So thanks SO much for paying taxes for me, but dont forget, Im paying taxes now much more than most taxapayers and ONLY because I could get the pension in the first place.

Lesson: dont judge everyone who is on welfare...and dont begrudge people help. Id rather be broke than selfish and bitter....

HOON69 · 18-01-2005, 07:23 PM

nsw other states, i reckon have it easy
you pay a flat rate

in qld you'd pay 3 times the amount each year for our rego's (pensioners rate) the price you pay for not needing a rwc each year i guess..

Thornie · 18-01-2005, 07:50 PM

all i can is voting out the parliment running vic is not the answer becuase frankly it will never change goverment is just a big comp to see who can bullshit the most the winner runs the the country for a few years untill the next king bullshit artist stomps him

TIKFD6 · 18-01-2005, 09:23 PM

I agree with XA Coupe, I hope you guys never have to depend on help from the Government.
I Know Lisa isnt a bludger, and i know my GF isnt.
Things happen to people that people cant control, and can change your life in an instant.
The money she gets from the Government is bugger all, and if it wasnt from the small amount of extra benifits she gets from the state/Federal government, she would be living alot harder than she does.

i know id rather see the government help out the people in our own country instead of the big ****ing contest going on over the Tsunami at the moment.
Help out your own family(this country).

/me gets down off soap box.

big_pete · 18-01-2005, 09:30 PM

i agree also, my mum would definately not have been able to survive with 3 kids and no job for over a year without the pension, we still arent doing to great even now that she's got a job.
so it does make a huge difference to the people who need the money to get bye on.

loxxr6 · 18-01-2005, 10:55 PM

I know it's a ***** of a thing to have happen but in a bushy area you'd have to be stupid not to have house insurance. Would you donate money to me if a huge storm hit sydney and my car got written off and i was dumb enough not to insure it. Highly doubt it.

Exactly.

I'll get hammered for this, but I'm so sick to f'n death of this tsunami shit. Its just another natural disaster amongst the so many that happen all round the world each year. Yes its a tragedy but get over it and move on.

How about directing that money to our own damn country to fix our own problems. Will we ever see all our generosity paid to other countries back to us in our lifetime ??? No.

Why should we be helping other countries when we damn well can't get our own right.

XRQTOR · 18-01-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by loxxr6

I'll get hammered for this, but I'm so sick to f'n death of this tsunami shit. Its just another natural disaster amongst the so many that happen all round the world each year. Yes its a tragedy but get over it and move on.

How about directing that money to our own damn country to fix our own problems. Will we ever see all our generosity paid to other countries back to us in our lifetime ??? No.

Why should we be helping other countries when we damn well can't get our own right.

No hammer here mate just a pat on the nback for being the 1st to say what we all feel.

Yellow Fire · 18-01-2005, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

No hammer here mate just a pat on the nback for being the 1st to say what we all feel.

Rethink the bolded section.

loxxr6 · 18-01-2005, 10:58 PM

Because you are greedy. Most people are not in charge of their life, the system is... I have worked damn hard too for almost 40 years but it isn't as easy as saying "go get a job or get off the pension". Have you no compassion or is it jusy dog eat dog in your world? Try to listen, or in your case buy, "Underwear Goes Inside The Pants" by Lazyboy.

So because you have money, you're obliged to give it to the less fortunate ?? I don't think so.

Yes there are people that will always struggle due to circumstances but it in no way means I should be picking up their slack when I have to work to get where I am.

Yellow Fire · 18-01-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by loxxr6

So because you have money, you're obliged to give it to the less fortunate ?? I don't think so.

Yes there are people that will always struggle due to circumstances but it in no way means I should be picking up their slack when I have to work to get where I am.

I thought like this when I was 13.

I work for what I have as well & don't know anyone personally who has been on welfare, BUT the fact remains that sometimes people get screwed by circumstances out of their control & not helping them is just the wrong thing to do.

Of course people will abuse the system, but that happens with every system.