Crap cars on club rego - a thread

[Franco Cozzo]

Its been a while but we've all seen that flog with the 1985 Toyota Hiace on club rego - how many crap cars have you seen on your states club rego abusing the system?

Mitsubishi L-300 club:



TF Holden Rodeo Cruisers:



Rusty Landcruiser club:



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[simon varley]

if they meet the criteria, who are you to judge? just because they are ****boxes to you they might have memories for someone else.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by simon varley

if they meet the criteria, who are you to judge? just because they are ****boxes to you they might have memories for someone else.

The problem is the 'criteria' - the system is being abused used for cheap rego for their car they use for tip runs

[Yellow_Festiva]

Yep saw one of those Nissan Datsun bluebird wagons a few weeks ago. Seemed very odd but then again they fit within the rules and each year that passes more modern cars get into the age bracket.



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[FG50T]

Don't see the issue or how they're abusing the system. To the uneducated an unrestored old XA 351 Falcon and an unrestored old Landcruiser...no difference? Both look like old ****boxes

[pcman]

i see this crap delica/l300 every day..... wait its parked in my yard, why would i pay 800bux a year for a vehicle i drive 30-40 days that fits in the rules

[roKWiz]

I'm more curious as to how they pass the roadworthy examination to get the club rego.
There's a couple of small trucks around my way on club plates, I see towing work trailers, carrying loads which are definitely not their own hobby stuff.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I'm more curious as to how they pass the roadworthy examination to get the club rego.
There's a couple of small trucks around my way on club plates, I see towing work trailers, carrying loads which are definitely not their own hobby stuff.

They must be members of the exclusive 'Landscaping Club':

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I'm more curious as to how they pass the roadworthy examination to get the club rego.

In Victoria, anything Post 1949 is at the "clubs" discretion if a RWC is needed..

Here's a laymans description of how the System Works in Victoria..

http://feralsportscarclub.net/CarClub2015.html

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by hayseed

In Victoria, is at the "clubs" discretion if a RWC is needed..

That's what I don't like about it, I see mates rates being applied here and if your not in the "click" off to full RWC you go.

[9triton]

Originally Posted by hayseed

In Victoria, anything Post 1949 is at the "clubs" discretion if a RWC is needed..

Here's a laymans description of how the System Works in Victoria..

http://feralsportscarclub.net/CarClub2015.html

that's not correct- it WAS the case and got rorted -VIC ROADS overhauled the systems about 3-4 years ago -anything POST 1948 needs a rwc.

rods are their own class -SR plate class.

straight out of vic roads website …..

Do you need a certificate of roadworthiness?
All club permit vehicles manufactured on or after 1 January 1949, except street rod vehicles, require a certificate of roadworthiness.
Get a certificate of roadworthiness at a roadworthy tester.
It is optional for vehicles manufactured on or before 31 December 1948 to get a certificate of roadworthiness. The club scrutineer/official may inspect and declare the vehicle to be safe to use on the road

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by 9triton

that's not correct- it WAS the case and got rorted -VIC ROADS overhauled the systems about 3-4 years ago -anything POST 1948 needs a rwc.

OK, I stand Corrected..

[Capriman]

Originally Posted by hayseed

In Victoria, anything Post 1949 is at the "clubs" discretion if a RWC is needed..

NOT TRUE! ALL POST 1949 vehicles MUST have a current RWC to gain access to the Victorian scheme!

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Capriman

NOT TRUE! ALL POST 1949 vehicles MUST have a current RWC to gain access to the Victorian scheme!

that is correct, mind you the 25 year minimum rule is in so we are now seeing EB's and VS Commodores coming into the scheme, nothing wrong with that, some are classic, but a ****ty old paint faded EB GL is NOT a classic sorry, it isn't.

'H' stands for HISTORIC, these days a 25 year old car is NOT of any 'historical' value, well not many are

A 'classic'? - maybe

[The Yeti]

If they fit the criteria I don’t see who we are to judge, I might not find person A’s KB Laser desirable but it’s over 30 and meets their clubs guide lines and may well be their dream car

Like wise my ford might just be an old ford to them

My trucks going on H plates when it’s done so if old mate has a taste for historic tippers who am I to judge

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

If they fit the criteria I don’t see who we are to judge, I might not find person A’s KB Laser desirable but it’s over 30 and meets their clubs guide lines and may well be their dream car

Like wise my ford might just be an old ford to them

I don't know about cars but trucks are a little different as they are not to be used for commercial purposes (Not for Hire) I've seen one with a load of grain pulling out of a field.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I don't know about cars but trucks are a little different as they are not to be used for commercial purposes (Not for Hire) I've seen one with a load of grain pulling out of a field.

Put your Louie on club reg when its done - we're doing a freight review at work, how much for pallets between Melbourne - Adelaide - Sydney - Brisbane and Perth since you're paying like $50 for rego

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I don't know about cars but trucks are a little different as they are not to be used for commercial purposes (Not for Hire) I've seen one with a load of grain pulling out of a field.

No your not allowed for sale or reward, but I can put my truck on club rego and cart , but drag car around as long but the load capacity is now 2/3 what it would be if I had full rego as a way to discourage using them for loads

[GasoLane]

I think the point that Franco is trying to make is that there are quite a few that he's sees daily, so not properly conforming with the rules.

Which in NSW is ...........

Historic vehicles can be used:

1. For events organised by a recognised historic vehicle club or community group, only if an invitation is received and recorded by the club in the Day Book (the official minutes of the club)
2. On the road if they need to be serviced, or if an inspection is needed
3. On a longer road journey, if you tell your club and the details are recorded in the Day Book.
4. If you want to use your historic vehicle to transport passengers for weddings or other functions, you'll need to check the requirements under the Passenger Transport Act 1990, seek approval from the club, and have the details recorded in the Day Book.

[roKWiz]

yep, Thanks Hayseed,
Franco, Louie's going back on full rego rather see it being used when done.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I think the point that Franco is trying to make is that there are quite a few that he's sees daily, so not properly conforming with the rules.

Which in NSW is ...........

Historic vehicles can be used:

1. For events organised by a recognised historic vehicle club or community group, only if an invitation is received and recorded by the club in the Day Book (the official minutes of the club)
2. On the road if they need to be serviced, or if an inspection is needed
3. On a longer road journey, if you tell your club and the details are recorded in the Day Book.
4. If you want to use your historic vehicle to transport passengers for weddings or other functions, you'll need to check the requirements under the Passenger Transport Act 1990, seek approval from the club, and have the details recorded in the Day Book.

Its just being used as a scam to get old vehicles on the road without paying full rego like they should be, all that will happen is VicRoads and Victoria Police will wisen up and the genuine clubs and their members will pay the price for it when the rules are tightened up.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I think the point that Franco is trying to make is that there are quite a few that he's sees daily, so not properly conforming with the rules.

Which in NSW is ...........

Historic vehicles can be used:

1. For events organised by a recognised historic vehicle club or community group, only if an invitation is received and recorded by the club in the Day Book (the official minutes of the club)
2. On the road if they need to be serviced, or if an inspection is needed
3. On a longer road journey, if you tell your club and the details are recorded in the Day Book.
4. If you want to use your historic vehicle to transport passengers for weddings or other functions, you'll need to check the requirements under the Passenger Transport Act 1990, seek approval from the club, and have the details recorded in the Day Book.

You're also allowed 60 Days "Personal use" per year in addition to what you've posted above.
provided your Club is a member of the logbook scheme..

https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/reg.../log-book.html

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I think the point that Franco is trying to make is that there are quite a few that he's sees daily, so not properly conforming with the rules.

Which in NSW is ...........

Historic vehicles can be used:

1. For events organised by a recognised historic vehicle club or community group, only if an invitation is received and recorded by the club in the Day Book (the official minutes of the club)
2. On the road if they need to be serviced, or if an inspection is needed
3. On a longer road journey, if you tell your club and the details are recorded in the Day Book.
4. If you want to use your historic vehicle to transport passengers for weddings or other functions, you'll need to check the requirements under the Passenger Transport Act 1990, seek approval from the club, and have the details recorded in the Day Book.

Club Permit Scheme rules in Victoria are very different, basically there are no rules. I am Vice President/Treasurer and Scrutineer for one of our local car club, probably one of the bigger ones in town. The only stipulation is that when the vehicle goes on the scheme it has a road-worthy and the owner has to be in an Approved VicRoads car club, these clubs do not have to be 'incorporated', the vehicle can then be driven anywhere, anytime with or without the club to a maximum of 90 days (2 x 45 days)

I get sickened when I see the rules being s t r e t c h e d like they are here in Victoria, on a recent trip to S.A. I saw about 3 older mobile homes on the CPS (club permit scheme - it shouldn't be called 'rego' coz it's not, you run on a permit), one was even towing a fully registered car on a trailer behind

Victorian CPS vehicles are NOT to be used for hire or reward, that means carting grain or doing a wedding for a mate where there is an exchange of 'reward' (yep a bottle of Bundy).

These people are playing within the rules Franco, but I agree it is ****

They need to tighten up the 'classic' rules bit. My XP went on the CPS in 2010, its number plate is 07951, so that is the 7951st vehicle on the scheme, earlier this year they passed the 100,000 vehicle mark on the scheme so they had to come up with a new number plate system. So in the 9 years since I went on the CPS 93,000+ other vehicles have gone on (that is not counting the 'M' plated or the Hot Rod plated only the H plated)

Police need to police it more, I had a long discussion with a close mate who is a HWP officer about the things he needs to watch out for, log books filled in in pencil, 'hire and reward' of some HV CPS holders. Brickies, plumbers, builders etc. 90 days for $145 gives some dodgies cheap access to the roads

I miss day rego :(

[au2000]

Tbh in Victoria all vic pol or vicroads need to do is pull over a few and check their log books.. If it's being driven regularly and not filled in for the 45 or 90 day limit is a fine to the owner (based on the cost of full rego) and being booted off the system, in the 3 or so years I've had cars on club reg I have never been pulled over to be checked even though there's been plenty of Toggies behind me,
The vs will be put on club as soon as I can, until then I'll use it as a daily

[Rallye Sport]

As long as people doing the right thing it shouldn't matter what kind of car it is.
They're just trying to save money by not paying registration (read tax) no different to people negative gearing or minimising paying they're dues in other ways.

[Olbucko]

I am the Plate registrar of a club in NSW.
Before allowing a member to put a vehicle on club plates they must have been a member for at least six months, live no more than 50 Km away, and have attended at least one meeting and one club event.

I personally inspect every new vehicle to check that they conform with RMS regulations. They then must have the Vehicle inspected at an authorised safety inspection station. The only exception to that is for tractors, we allow the owners to self inspect.

If members with club registration do not turn up to at least one club event and one meeting a year we will not renew their rego.
A few simple rules like this puts most of the non genuine off

I don't see anything wrong with having an old commercial vehicle, there all getting very rare now, try and find an XK falcon van in any condition, their rare as R H S

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Olbucko

I am the Plate registrar of a club in NSW.
Before allowing a member to put a vehicle on club plates they must have been a member for at least six months, live no more than 50 Km away, and have attended at least one meeting and one club event.

I personally inspect every new vehicle to check that they conform with RMS regulations. They then must have the Vehicle inspected at an authorised safety inspection station. The only exception to that is for tractors, we allow the owners to self inspect.

If members with club registration do not turn up to at least one club event and one meeting a year we will not renew their rego.
A few simple rules like this puts most of the non genuine off

I don't see anything wrong with having an old commercial vehicle, there all getting very rare now, try and find an XK falcon van in any condition, their rare as R H S

Here's the VIC one the real clubs have been having a sook over:

http://kprcc.com.au/Home.aspx

No meetings or events and anything 25 years and older is eligible.

[au2000]

Yeah not that I'm defending that club (and I'm not a member of it) but some clubs are impossible to deal with,
About 5 years ago I picked up a 1 owner xd falcon that was a 4 speed 4.1.
sure she was a little average to the eye back then (more of a patena look) but she was straight, original and complete, the xd xe clubs wanted nothing to do with me at all as a) it was not fully restored and b) it was not a 8 or a ESP, the next club that did take me eventually still wanted a RWC even though it was not required I was happy to oblige, but once I turned up at meetings with it i was shunned and looked down on as "it's only a xd" plus being a shift worker made it difficult to attend the regular meeting requirements so after 12 Months I found a club that was more open to all types of vehicles and was more liberal with attendances with club meets and events, since joining that club I've been able to buy and sell a number of older cars that I enjoy. I'm sure some looked at my rough HX and would think it was a piece of crap, but I enjoyed driving it.

Although some disagree with that type of club, for some it just allows them to enjoy their pride n joy, yes there are those who Rort, human nature is that someone somewhere will always seek out advantages,

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by au2000

Although some disagree with that type of club, for some it just allows them to enjoy their pride n joy, yes there are those who Rort, human nature is that someone somewhere will always seek out advantages,

nope, I was introduced to one of those clubs where you have to attend 75% of meetings have your wife and you outfitted with the jacket and polo shirt and all the other stuff the type where the guys stand around and talk about how they set the timing 1 degree more advanced and it’s now made it a whole new car to drive

Nearly made me want to give up cars

Now this is the opening line on our clubs constitution

So what makes a Pariahs member?

Buggered if we know BUT as The general concensis is, we want to get too anal on what makes a proper car/club member, otherwise we turn into self righteous pricks we want to avoid.


And that suits me fine

Some of our clubs cars